[Artchic528]

I want to first and formost say that I am in no way shaming anyone. I am just speaking from a conflicted part of my soul and mind and would like to discuss and explore why I am feeling this way.

Now, with that said, I am confused by the new age feminist movement where females in society are parading about naked, or next to naked and declaring that they be respected for wanting sex with whoever, whenever, wherever. Where is the line between taudry and tasteful? Whatever happened to just wanting to just be seen as equal to men in society. When did being an exhibitionist equal female empowerment? I am just conflicted and confused here.

I also take great offense to people linking the nude from with sexuality and sex. We came into this world baring all, innocent and pure. That is what being nude should be all about, shedding our insecurities and pain and baring our truest and purist selves to the world. To besmerch that innocence with sexual arousal is, imho, nothing short of a crime against humanity itself.

Modern culture is entirely too obsessed with sex and sexuality, and not focusing on what it truly means to be nude.

[Artchic528]

Guess no one wants to help me......

[Tsukiko]

What you're describing isn't feminism. You're thinking of sexual liberation. While they may be related, they are different.

[Pflaumenkeks]

Well, sexual liberation is/can be part of a feminist movement.
I guess you mean "slutwalks"? Let me give it a try:

People percieved as female are often shamed for their sexual life. On the one hand "man" make a great fuss about getting women into bed, at the same time she is a "hoe" for doing so.
At the same time everywere around you are (nearly) naked bodies in advertising and film etc so female sexuality and nudity is okay as long as it is for the "male gaze"

These walks want to accomplish two things:

First reclaiming the own body. Making a statement that it's ones own and that you are free to do with it what you consent to. (also in a sexual way)

Second (something that is more overlooked) it is often also a protest against the sexualisation of female bodies. Not just because women want to walk through the world without being seen as a sex-object on every poster they see, but also because it does serious harm when something happens to them (see victim blaming, "what was she wearing" "well she shouldn't..", "such a lean on")

There are many critic points in this (for example that it tends to be a white movement) but I think it's good to look at the problems these movements come from and try to understand why they are doing this

so thanks for asking

[Onward2wards]

In my personal opinions:

Society is too obsessed with: sex-on-demand (no negotiations or mutual respect); violent sex (not BDSM, but power trips); how terribly awful sex is but we want to have it anyway (emotional conflicts and irrational shame); all the complicated games that are played around it, without coming to many actual mature conclusions.

Feminism? Great idea on the whole, but sometimes (like anything else) badly employed such that a matriarchy just replaces a patriarchy, and individual (both womens' and mens') rights are replaced by groupthink.

Sexual liberation? About ***** time!!! But, again, it can lead down a path to some silly ideas and pressures too.

[Tsukiko]

Bravo, onward. What an amazing post.

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[Prism Bunny]

Originally Posted by Tsukiko

What you're describing isn't feminism. You're thinking of sexual liberation. While they may be related, they are different.

This right here. Thank you, Tsukiko.

You do not need to be a feminist to support sexual liberation. And major sexual revolutions for women can be dated back to both the Enlightenment era and the Victorian era. Before that, for centuries, there have different types of free love expressed throughout civilizations around the world. The Egyptians are a classic read on the subject as they were open about sexuality. They created such things as contraception, sex toys, and gave women the ability to enjoy sex to the fullest. But if you want information on modern history, you should read about the sexual prowesses of women in the 1890s when the first vibrator for women was created in 1835, and became available for home purchase in 1902. The vibrator came back in women's lives in the 1960s. Thanks to both feminism and sexual liberation activists in the 1960s, we have more liberties when it comes to our bodies. That includes the right to use pharmaceutical contraceptions like the pill.

As I mentioned in the other thread, Bettie Page was an inspiration for many as she displayed courage through the 1940s and 1960s. She influenced what we view today in porn and in health articles on sexuality; including actual BDSM. And we have Hugh Hefner's Playboy to thank as well.

Oh, and there is a little thing called the KamaSutra. Still the most revolutionary text for sexuality to this day. The Hindus were also open to the important of women's sexuality because it affects one's soul, and if you read through the pages, you would have a better grasp its philosophy and spirituality.

Mankind has been doing the freakiest things since the first instinct to have sex for pleasure and reproduction. History has also encouraged liberties on several silver platters for both sexes. If you are positive this is some new age feminist movement, then read and watch more on history.

Outside of that: In my opinion, sex on demand nowadays has escalated thanks to the internet and because of people confusing safe, kinky sex with dangerous concepts with total disregard in the seriousness of the BDSM community. And ugh, those apps and websites nowadays that encourage zero boundaries and unsafe casual sex by clicking or tapping a few times to meet up with a complete stranger you met that day or later. Being a cam girl would be safer than that risky business.

Links for the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_Sex <--- Find this documentary and watch it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_Sutra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrator_(sex_toy)

[Tsukiko]

Another awesome post. Thank you, Prism!

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[TishaBuv]

I haven't seen the new age feminist movement you described. But, women who boldly dress provocatively are nothing new.

I was just talking with my kids about a famous rape case around 30 years ago where the woman was dressed nearly naked and was raped. The defense said she 'was asking for it' by how she was dressed. It was a turning point for laws protecting women that are now 'no means no' and now men are told to always ask first before trying to have sex so there is no misunderstanding and no alleged rape.

[Lost_in_the_woods]

Rather late to this post, but... I feel what ur saying Artchic. That unfortunately thru the flood of social media a lot of young girls are getting really mixed messages on what it means love ourselves and to be tastefully proud of the natural beauty of our bodies and own individual views of sexuality. Instead I feel that it has gone to the other extreme where being popular online getting followers and such has become the motivation behind a lot of these bra n panties to nude selfies, that some I do believe are done with the right ideas in mind but I depresses me to see so many young girls online like it's one big Mardi Gras spring break girls gone wild, type of thing... but I guess regardless of how myself or others view these images, it really still comes down to the same thing just in a new genre... how do they feel about themselves? Right... there will always be those who express their bodies and sexuality outta self love and feeling empowerment and those who do it outta a need to have others tell them their worth, and then the ones who do it outta peer pressure really or misguided belief that it's just what everyone does. So...I guess I don't think much has changed except the vehicle for exposure is just way more public and in our face everywhere we turn. Idk.

[Burnt_Out]

My take as someone on the generational fence:

IMHO, modern culture isn't much obsessed with sex at all. It's obsessed with sexuality, sexual preferences/alignment, the visualization/marketing (personal or otherwise) of sex... but overall, I feel like people have grown far too insular, self-concerned, and detached to actually be that interested in sex itself, for the sheer act of mutual stimulation and pleasure.

As a single guy, I've experienced this firsthand. You have to be outgoing, open-minded, opportunistic, interactive, and social for sex to occur. I've witnessed less-and-less of that in the now versus the past. Getting out, off your devices, and out of your comfort zone makes for a liberated culture of sex. Provocative selfies do not.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I haven't had a date in three years ha ha, but I'm just not experiencing the same level of interpersonal interest (sexual or otherwise) that I experienced back in the late '90s / early oughts... and that in itself cannot even BEGIN to compare to the free love era of the '60s or the Studio 54 days of the '70s. I do find it hilarious when I hear baby boomers "aghast" at the sexual nature of things "these days". What? It was sexual pandemonium then.

My favorite comedian Doug Stanhope was lamenting how this is going to be the first generation that was less outrageous than the last, and I think that idea holds a lot of water. The 2010s are a time of self-marketing/self-branding... and the 'sex sells' adage is of course going to be applied, but people acting erotic and provocative doesn't make for promiscuity, experimentation, or an evolution of sex in culture. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we're headed the way of Japan where a big part of the population isn't even interested in sex.

To me as a single man in 2016, it couldn't be any less sexual.

[Onward2wards]

Interesting insights, Burnt_Out. Thanks for posting.

[Pikku Myy]

There is hope Burn Out as a 52 year old woman.. looking for love. Took a while but I found someone that really cares and desires about me. Took me five years, over to feel comfortable enough to be close to someone. Do not give up

[Burnt_Out]

Originally Posted by Pikku Myy

There is hope Burn Out as a 52 year old woman.. looking for love. Took a while but I found someone that really cares and desires about me. Took me five years, over to feel comfortable enough to be close to someone. Do not give up

I guess you didn't want a family (at 52, it's not a option)... I'll keep my head up, though. The math is not on my side, but then... nothing else is either.

[Secretum]

In my opinion, the US is wayyy too sexually uptight. I don't get what people have against sex.

When two people have sex, their brains release oxytocin, which strengthens their bond.

Sex gives adults the opportunity to play, to be free from insecurities that may haunt them in every other arena of life.

Sex is a strong creative force. Many geniuses have had really high sex drives, and countless works of art, advances in science, classics in literature, and other wonderful human accomplishments have been inspired by love and sexual attraction.

And let's not forget...the creative force of sex ultimately creates new life. Unless you are an in vitro baby, you all are here because of sex.

Sex adds spice and meaning to life.

I don't get why people want to censor it.