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Old Oct 24, 2014, 06:30 AM
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Thank you for timing the arrival of this new forum to coincide with my first day here. I'm pushing fifty and have been in and out of treatment for nearly 30 years.

Some meds seemed to strengthen my coping skills for a while, but I am not so sure any of them actually lift the depression to any significant degree or length of time. Wellbutrin and Effexor were pretty good until they were not, Depakote and a few others didn't help at all; I am struggling big-time right now, after a few years of reasonable success with Cymbalta. Recently started supplementing that with Trazadone and it helped a little.

Except for a lucky seven-month stretch about a year ago, I don't think I've ever been anything but depression or manic for more than a few days. The mania is rarely dangerously high (except to my bank account) but the depression can dip pretty deep and I've been hanging on the precipice for about two weeks now....which is why I am here. I tend to have a lot of anger with my depression, and I want to bite everyone's head off. Mostly I manage to restrain myself, by sheer strength of practical-reality awareness and years of practice - some days my acting reaching academy-award level.

My depression is rarely the "my life sucks" or "I am a bad person" brand; it is more along the lines of "people in general suck" and "the world sucks," so anything from a news headline to a dead kitten in the road can plague me for hours. Mostly I just don't give-a-flying flea one way or another. I don't actively want to die, but I don't particularly see why any of us work so freakin' hard to go on living in this world. Seems like the main thing "non-depressed" people have going for them is some kind of delusional gift for pretending things are better than they are.
Life gives us all gifts if we can learn to appreciate them, even when in the depressed mood

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Old Oct 30, 2014, 11:20 PM
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Hmmm, Zoloft AND Abilify together pulled me out of depression in just 3 weeks!
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Old Nov 01, 2014, 03:35 PM
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I'm watching the trials with ketamine for severe depression. there might be hope there. if given the chance, I'd be 1 of the trial participants.
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Old Nov 02, 2014, 11:04 AM
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Yes, it is so dynamic, isn't it? The only seeming constant is the depression. the meds might cast light for a minute, then clouds, then new meds/doses, or some other change. But the light I hope to see is forever more dim. Maybe I must accept a certain baseline of depression, of sad disability. I don't know what baseline to accept. All I can do is the minute by minute Serenity Prayer.
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Old Nov 03, 2014, 01:11 PM
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I'm watching the trials with ketamine for severe depression. there might be hope there. if given the chance, I'd be 1 of the trial participants.
I spent a few days on a ketamine IV 2,5 years ago.. I was high as a kite and didn't make much sense. That was partially the other painkillers I was on, but mostly ketamine. I was more anxious than depressed then though. But that might've been because I was in the hospital and my leg had just been amputated.
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Old Nov 09, 2014, 03:17 AM
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Hi, this is my 2nd post as a newbie on this site...and I noticed you mentioned use of cannabis...is this for physical pain or your depression? I was going to ask my GP about using it to help my MD and anxiety but I cant find supporting documentation to support use of it for major depression and I'm nervous about her reaction to me asking. I have been on various meds for over 2yrs now but I haven't found any magic elixir yet. I would say my depression is persistent at this point..with very little relief by way of pharma meds.
Hi GabeGirl,
Sorry this took so long...I took a downturn and was away. I couldn't find supporting info for using it for major depression either, but anxiety and physical pain are lessened when I use it. At the stake of my short term memory... I hope that you can find something to help soon.
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Old Nov 09, 2014, 03:22 AM
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I'm watching the trials with ketamine for severe depression. there might be hope there. if given the chance, I'd be 1 of the trial participants.
I was recently hospitalized, and the psychiatrist there had a lot of hope in it. They thought the findings were really promising for treating severe depression.
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Old Nov 09, 2014, 03:56 AM
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I am beginning to believe I have treatment resistant depression as the years pass. I have basically been on some kind of psych medication since I was 13--I am now 24. There have only been a couple of periods (lasting only a few months if that) I have not been on any medication due to my mood.
I am beginning to lose hope in anything working. I don't have the energy to fight anymore. My hopes get dashed too often, my attempts to change don't last and the roller coaster with the medications are starting to frustrate me.
I feel so lost and that there is no hope, no help for me. The hospitals around me are more for those struggling with addiction. For people like me, who have psych issues the hospitals are more for a stabilization or "just until the storm passes" so to speak.
Has anyone heard of TMS? Has anyone had this treatment? What was your opinion?
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Haven't tried it, but when I was last hospitalized, I asked the psychiatrist there what they thought about that. They said that TMS seemed to possibly be more of a placebo effect, but they felt similarly to ECT also. She was very optimistic about the prospects of ketamine.

That hospitalization was just to stabilize, and since I have been taking 300mg Lithium
200mg Bupropion 2x day
600mg NAC 2x Day
15mg l-methlfolate
50mcg levothyroxine
600mg omega-3s
60mg Cymbalta
Vitamin D

There is interesting research on NAC s and small doses of lithium.
I've been feeling better, if only lacking enthusiasm for life...but rarely any SI I hope you find relief soon, tessj88!
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Old Nov 09, 2014, 01:43 PM
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I too have treatment-resistant depression. Except for 2 deep hospitalized depressions, I've walked around. I can't say that there have been times in the last 30 years that I have not been depressed, even with meds. I have also had ECT twice. ECT worked for about 3 weeks and went away.

I also have ADD and for me it is the Concerta that actually does help with lifiting the depression mood, mood being mood and etc. It doesn't always shift me, but sometimes it does.

The most worstest issue for me with this is that my family doesn't believe that depression can be this way. I've done my best educating them. Coping with these denials is very hard on me.
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Old Nov 10, 2014, 10:07 PM
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I forgot to mention I think psychedelic substances have potential...in my personal experience I notice after a good trip I have a noticeable mood lift that is ongoing after the drug effects wear off. I would never advise anyone take such things on a daily basis...but maybe when used sparingly they can have beneficial effects. It would be interesting if there was more research being done on this, especially since physically they are quite safe so for people it could help there would be minimal side effects. But I doubt they are going to star prescribing psilocybin and LSD anytime soon.
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 10:56 AM
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I forgot to mention I think psychedelic substances have potential...in my personal experience I notice after a good trip I have a noticeable mood lift that is ongoing after the drug effects wear off. I would never advise anyone take such things on a daily basis...but maybe when used sparingly they can have beneficial effects. It would be interesting if there was more research being done on this, especially since physically they are quite safe so for people it could help there would be minimal side effects. But I doubt they are going to star prescribing psilocybin and LSD anytime soon.
It is being studied Hellion.
Ketamine is being used but they are studying mushrooms and LSD. I believe John Hopkins is currently studying it. There have been other recent studies that show promise.

The neurobiology of psychedelic drugs: implications for the treatment of mood disorders : Abstract : Nature Reviews Neuroscience
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 09:15 PM
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Is ketamine a short-acting thing? as regards psychedelics, is there some way to control how it acts? I had a bad trip more than once (back in the day)....maybe I'm too anxious.

Methamphetamine would really help me...depression, weight, production, oh well.

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Old Nov 11, 2014, 10:06 PM
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I used meth for five years. It's the best anti depressant and causes the worst depression. Over time it messes your dopamine system up so much it causes psychosis. I don't recommend it.

I think I would only try ketamine or psychedelics with a doctor. I've been clean and sober to long to self medicate.

I think good trip or bad trip depends very much on your mood at the time. Feeling great and confident....good trip.

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Is ketamine a short-acting thing? as regards psychedelics, is there some way to control how it acts? I had a bad trip more than once (back in the day)....maybe I'm too anxious.

Methamphetamine would really help me...depression, weight, production, oh well.

stephanie
I've had two bad trips with mushrooms...as far as I know there isn't a way to 100% control how it acts, but there are ways to influence it such as being in a comfortable setting, make sure you have a long enough time period without obligations or anything stressful for the duration of the trip and time to sort of process you could say.

As for strong stimulants(not caffine/nicotine)...have tried adderall, however pretty sure if I started taking it regularly it would more than likely have detrimental effects and increase anxiety.
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Old Nov 16, 2014, 11:25 AM
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Has anyone tried Cymbalta (duloxetine) plus Wellbutrin (bupropion)?
I am tired all the time with the duloxetine. Everything has made me tired. I love coffee, but there isn't enough coffee in the world to undo the tired.
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I forgot to mention I think psychedelic substances have potential...in my personal experience I notice after a good trip I have a noticeable mood lift that is ongoing after the drug effects wear off. I would never advise anyone take such things on a daily basis...but maybe when used sparingly they can have beneficial effects. It would be interesting if there was more research being done on this, especially since physically they are quite safe so for people it could help there would be minimal side effects. But I doubt they are going to star prescribing psilocybin and LSD anytime soon.
One of my best friends took LSD in the late 60's when it was popular. One trip and he was never the same again. He's functional but not all there. Thinks people are watching him all the time, even from outer space. very dangerous drug.
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One of my best friends took LSD in the late 60's when it was popular. One trip and he was never the same again. He's functional but not all there. Thinks people are watching him all the time, even from outer space. very dangerous drug.
Well it's hard to say why it effected them that way...or if it triggered something already present. I've taken it multiple times and have not had any such experience...but have only had a couple hits at once, wouldn't want to go too far over-board since its very potent. Was it a bad experience they had? I could see how a very bad trip could be damaging like could be traumatic...which can have negative effects. But either way though some people get negative effects from what I've read up on and experienced I can see how psychedelic substances could help depression, probably would not help everyone's depression. Either way will be curious to see what sort of results studies on such drugs for mental health issues will provide.
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Yeah I don't believe that pure LSD or shrooms cause lasting effects unless it triggers a pre existing condition that was gonna show up anyway. The problem with LSD is that when you buy it you really don't know what you are getting. Did the guy who made it know what he was doing?

I would definitely stay away from the new designer drugs. No one knows the effects really and they are dangerous. They are not something like lsd or shrooms that has been studied and people have lots of experience with.

See this thread-

http://forums.psychcentral.com/other...r-opinion.html
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Old Dec 20, 2014, 06:52 PM
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I just read this article on Medscape (I guess I didn't copy correctly to get the link) but it's in the psychiatry section on depression ... about potentially using nitrous oxide !!! Says anti-depressant effect last days long

I don't know about that, but I enjoy the short term effects.... last time my dentist became a long-haired leaping gnome ... still makes me laugh and that was years ago

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OMG me and my friend cleaned his Dad's dentist office when we were teens at night. No one there. What do you think we did after we were done cleaning.....yup. It wasn't hard to figure out how to turn the main bottles on, sit in the chair and crank it up. A couple hours.

Never heard of it for depression. Do you mean ketamine?

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Your right. I want in.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/836727

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though I should have posted my last post in here...but just noticed this section.
I have just joined this group also as I knew I needed some support with my depression. My doctor has been playing with my meds but nothing helps. Now Wellbutrin and Cymbalta. My depression is the kind where I hurt so bad that I can't stop crying. I have been depressed for many years but when I was young I used to do drugs to numb my feelings and "feel good" a temporary fix but I think what happened is that for years I numbed myself so much now the emotions and feelings are hitting me so hard I feel sometimes like I can't cope. I don't want to do this any more and I want some treatment that works. Does anyone know if medical marijuana would help and if a doctor would prescribe it or is it just for end of life issues. Anyway I am glad I found people who understand. My friends and family just say breathe and get over it but they don't understand Thank you for listening sad eyed lady
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Old Dec 28, 2014, 07:45 PM
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I have just joined this group also as I knew I needed some support with my depression. My doctor has been playing with my meds but nothing helps. Now Wellbutrin and Cymbalta. My depression is the kind where I hurt so bad that I can't stop crying. I have been depressed for many years but when I was young I used to do drugs to numb my feelings and "feel good" a temporary fix but I think what happened is that for years I numbed myself so much now the emotions and feelings are hitting me so hard I feel sometimes like I can't cope. I don't want to do this any more and I want some treatment that works. Does anyone know if medical marijuana would help and if a doctor would prescribe it or is it just for end of life issues. Anyway I am glad I found people who understand. My friends and family just say breathe and get over it but they don't understand Thank you for listening sad eyed lady
At one time I really struggled with the overwhelming emotions...couldn't stop crying at times. What helped me was Lamictal...it takes a while to ramp up to the full dose. Something which helped me in the interim was small dose of the anti-psychotic Seroquel...this has to be used carefully because it can tip you into diabetes, but it really helped my crying jags. A lot of us use Klonopin which could possibly have abuse issues I think, so doc might not want to use it.
You may find you need something on top of your anti-depressants...it takes most of us a long time to get just the right "cocktail" and even then it sometimes has to be modified over time.
For me, it doesn't get cured, but the edge is taken off where I can deal.
Hope it gets easier for you.
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Old Dec 29, 2014, 08:47 AM
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My current cocktail is the best one I have ever been on. I have been at treatment for twenty years.

I have been clean and sober for twenty years but to be honest I have experimented with pot for depression and anxiety. What I found was that it was no good at all for my depression. Some people say it helps. I found that for anxiety it does help but it has to be the right strain. Some strains make me to paranoid. So I have thought about getting a card sometimes but I decided against it. Klonopin works much much better and I don't want to be a chronic smoker.

It depends on the state but it is not usually hard at all to get a card. Personally I never worried about it. It is very easy for me to get very good stuff if I were to want to.....not so legally. I don't care if I get it legally or not. Certainly never stopped me in my drug and alcohol using days.
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My current cocktail is the best one I have ever been on. I have been at treatment for twenty years.

I have been clean and sober for twenty years but to be honest I have experimented with pot for depression and anxiety. What I found was that it was no good at all for my depression. Some people say it helps. I found that for anxiety it does help but it has to be the right strain. Some strains make me to paranoid. So I have thought about getting a card sometimes but I decided against it. Klonopin works much much better and I don't want to be a chronic smoker.

It depends on the state but it is not usually hard at all to get a card. Personally I never worried about it. It is very easy for me to get very good stuff if I were to want to.....not so legally. I don't care if I get it legally or not. Certainly never stopped me in my drug and alcohol using days.
Interesting, as you probably know by now based on my past posts...I find cannabis helpful. But yet I cannot handle klonopin...that is for sure, never heard of klonopin for depression though, or do you mean you take it for anxiety?
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