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Trig Oct 08, 2014 at 12:17 PM
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I have heard/seen this phrase numerous times in general and I just don't get it. I mean having attempted suicide and still experiencing suicidal ideation to the point of considering further attempts it doesn't make a lot of sense, since achieving death actually seems pretty hard....also the psychological thought process and all that goes with suicidal ideation and such certainly is not easy either. Its not like i just get up and think to myself 'dying sounds good today' no it sounds horrible, just less horrible than the pain I might be in at the time...not to mention biologically living things are not designed to off themselves you're body at least on a physical level will fight it and there will be fear associated with actually accomplishing it. At least from what I have experienced........I just wonder if maybe my experience with the suicidal mindset has been very different from other peoples, or if that is a phrase that more comes from people ignorant about what all death especially causing ones own death entails?

Didn't really know where else to put this, figured people with treatment resistant depression might more get what I mean since I am sure I am not the only one with recurrent suicidal thinking.

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Default Oct 08, 2014 at 12:46 PM
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Hmm, never really though about this before. I think I would agree that it is not easy to die. I think it does have more to do with an outside perspective than it does the person's who makes the choice to try to die. I think th econcept of it being easy comes from the idea that it is "giving up" and refusing to fight any longer. It may be easier to die than to keep deciding to struggle and fight every moment of every day, but it certainly is not easy... though in my experience, it is not at all easier, just gives a definite end-point to the fight.

Interesting to think about. Thanks for posting...
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I have heard it in this way..."It's easy to die but hard to live". Or..."It's not dying that scares me but living".

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Default Oct 08, 2014 at 03:46 PM
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I think the statistic differential between completions and attempts in men vs. women (more completed attempts by men, and less by women but with many more incomplete attempts) is a clear indication that it's not all that easy to die. Just as there are a number of elements required in order for life to occur, so it is with death.

A likely inability to finish the job has probably been my own best preventative on those occasions that I've considered it. I remember trying to explain to my last therapist that an inclination towards a possible attempt would actually be an improvement on my current lack of will towards taking any affective action, but he didn't really get that.

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Default Oct 08, 2014 at 06:46 PM
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Somehow this reminds me of an old Jim Croce song "Old Man River." This may go back before everyone else's generation. The song has a line it that goes "I'm tired of living but I'm scared of dying." My problem is that so often I am not scared to die but scared to live, scared to face each day. I have had suicidal ideation, but I always talk myself out of it and find reasons not to harm myself. I think of my children, my dog, and others who would suffer if I were to off myself. Then I try to make my mind think of something else. Yes, it is a battle, but one worth fighting.
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People with this kind of depression think a lot about suicide cause they figure they are never going to get better. I know i have the ideation a lot cause who wants to live the rest of there life never knowing what happiness feels like.
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I think about it every day but am just to stubborn to give in to the the illness.

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Default Oct 09, 2014 at 07:17 AM
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Yeah when I am very deep in it I believe it will never get better and that's what makes me seriously consider it.

I think that spark of hope, or love, or spirit, or whatever it is, is very hard to extinguish. It lives in us even if we are not aware of it at the time. Yet some people do it.

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Default Oct 09, 2014 at 11:01 PM
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I am really depressed noe, in that bad place but what else is there left for me to try nothing. I have the ideation pretty bad now.
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