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Old Apr 21, 2014, 08:50 AM
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Blowing off some steam..

I have a problem with the way this "label" is used. This label gets thrown around a lot at work.... I've been indirectly labeled "not a team" player which is not true for many reasons. We are "independent contractors" that work at the same place, many times I am able to work out of my home and enjoy doing so. I happen to be very flexible with the time I can put into this career. Most times I work on it every day. I can work on it at 6:00 in the morn if I feel creative or 10:00 at night. I love what I do but do not always agree with others that I work with...this tread could get very long but I will try to spit it out the best I can.

All of us have many things we do...we are with a small company and financially things are difficult. All of us want to see this company succeed.. so we we have choosen to try and see it through. I'm not trying to pump up my ego..but I know how to do many things...and we know that when you know how to do a lot if different things, they want to pile more on you (plus at this point they cannot pay more - a lot of us our doing things without pay). I do not see and rarely have seen team players equally handle their share of the load...if I say no to something..I am selfish and not a team player - bull. Well, if I get to pick the team, I would probably be a better team player .

I ran across this today...by Harry Browne...
An efficiently selfish person is sensitive to the needs and desires of others. But he doesn’t consider those desires to be demands upon him. Rather, he sees them as opportunities — potential exchanges that might be beneficial to him
when someone accuses you of being selfish, just remember that he’s upset only because you aren’t doing what he selfishly wants you to do.

....continually learning to cope with the team....my career with this oraginization has been totally worth it...no regrets... despite how I feel about the "team" at times, if I have to leave, it's because I cannot financially hang on any longer...I'm aware this could be my reality and dreading that. It's rare to find something you love to do. My anxiety is much better about this situation (with help of course) than it was 2 months ago.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 11:31 AM
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I can chime in on this as I have heard all to often in work places I have worked in. I was often told I am not a team player or that I need to "take one for the team." Often this meant that I was going to take blame for something I had no part in or that I would spend the weekend working month after month so that management didn't have to. In all cases throughout my career path I was never rewarded for these activities. Instead my positive and cheerful disposition brought more of this work my way and more ridicule when things didn't work out as management desired them to.

I always assumed that if I accepted extra work and never argues the timeliness of the assignments that I would earn a place in a promotion or nice pay raise at some point. In one case I was actually docked pay by having my wages cut while two co-workers were given raises (we were friends). We all knew this was unfair but we couldn't openly discuss this as we would all be fired for discussing our rates of pay.

I have become anything but a "team player" after almost 25 years of this grief.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 11:46 AM
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Blowing off some steam..

I have a problem with the way this "label" is used. This label gets thrown around a lot at work.... I've been indirectly labeled "not a team" player which is not true for many reasons. We are "independent contractors" that work at the same place, many times I am able to work out of my home and enjoy doing so. I happen to be very flexible with the time I can put into this career. Most times I work on it every day. I can work on it at 6:00 in the morn if I feel creative or 10:00 at night. I love what I do but do not always agree with others that I work with...this tread could get very long but I will try to spit it out the best I can.

All of us have many things we do...we are with a small company and financially things are difficult. All of us want to see this company succeed.. so we we have choosen to try and see it through. I'm not trying to pump up my ego..but I know how to do many things...and we know that when you know how to do a lot if different things, they want to pile more on you (plus at this point they cannot pay more - a lot of us our doing things without pay). I do not see and rarely have seen team players equally handle their share of the load...if I say no to something..I am selfish and not a team player - bull. Well, if I get to pick the team, I would probably be a better team player .

I ran across this today...by Harry Browne...
An efficiently selfish person is sensitive to the needs and desires of others. But he doesn’t consider those desires to be demands upon him. Rather, he sees them as opportunities — potential exchanges that might be beneficial to him
when someone accuses you of being selfish, just remember that he’s upset only because you aren’t doing what he selfishly wants you to do.

....continually learning to cope with the team....my career with this oraginization has been totally worth it...no regrets... despite how I feel about the "team" at times, if I have to leave, it's because I cannot financially hang on any longer...I'm aware this could be my reality and dreading that. It's rare to find something you love to do. My anxiety is much better about this situation (with help of course) than it was 2 months ago.
I remember hearing the term myself in talking to one of my
supervisors at work. When I asked some probing questions
about the term, he informed me that this expression was
used euphemistically to refer to someone who was a "discipline
problem." The idea was that accusing someone of being, say,
a discipline problem was actionable in a wrongful termination
lawsuit; on the other hand, "not being a team player" could be
used with no fear of legal...repercussions.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 12:10 PM
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Blowing off some steam..

I have a problem with the way this "label" is used. This label gets thrown around a lot at work.... I've been indirectly labeled "not a team" player which is not true for many reasons. We are "independent contractors" that work at the same place, many times I am able to work out of my home and enjoy doing so. I happen to be very flexible with the time I can put into this career. Most times I work on it every day. I can work on it at 6:00 in the morn if I feel creative or 10:00 at night. I love what I do but do not always agree with others that I work with...this tread could get very long but I will try to spit it out the best I can.

All of us have many things we do...we are with a small company and financially things are difficult. All of us want to see this company succeed.. so we we have choosen to try and see it through. I'm not trying to pump up my ego..but I know how to do many things...and we know that when you know how to do a lot if different things, they want to pile more on you (plus at this point they cannot pay more - a lot of us our doing things without pay). I do not see and rarely have seen team players equally handle their share of the load...if I say no to something..I am selfish and not a team player - bull. Well, if I get to pick the team, I would probably be a better team player .

I ran across this today...by Harry Browne...
An efficiently selfish person is sensitive to the needs and desires of others. But he doesn’t consider those desires to be demands upon him. Rather, he sees them as opportunities — potential exchanges that might be beneficial to him
when someone accuses you of being selfish, just remember that he’s upset only because you aren’t doing what he selfishly wants you to do.

....continually learning to cope with the team....my career with this oraginization has been totally worth it...no regrets... despite how I feel about the "team" at times, if I have to leave, it's because I cannot financially hang on any longer...I'm aware this could be my reality and dreading that. It's rare to find something you love to do. My anxiety is much better about this situation (with help of course) than it was 2 months ago.
There is nowhere you can go where everything will be 100% great, it seems. You have to know what you can live with, and try to better it as much as you can, I suppose. A lot of people have to deal with that sort of business buzz speak, some worse than others. My cousin is driven crazy by such phrases as "maximize efficiency", "be a team player" and the like.

Perhaps it would be helpful to resist thinking of yourself as a "team member" in the sense they use the phrase. It doesn't sound like an accurate representation of your work relationships, and sounds like it can only drag you down.

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I can chime in on this as I have heard all to often in work places I have worked in. I was often told I am not a team player or that I need to "take one for the team."
I can't think of a more demoralizing phrase than that! I have a friend who'd have nightmares about his family saying that to him.
Thanks for this!
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 04:42 PM
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I remember hearing the term myself in talking to one of my
supervisors at work. When I asked some probing questions
about the term, he informed me that this expression was
used euphemistically to refer to someone who was a "discipline
problem." The idea was that accusing someone of being, say,
a discipline problem was actionable in a wrongful termination
lawsuit; on the other hand, "not being a team player" could be
used with no fear of legal...repercussions.
I work with a pretty small company. I do have one of those personalities that "rocks the boat"...but it stems from something I am passionate about or my principles are being compromised (my father was not a great father by any means but...he always told me.. do not apologize for rocking the boat - that's how things get changed).

I have never worked for something harder in my life than I am right now. I know that. When I worked for larger companies...I would speak my mind..I challenged things. I do not fit in well with that atmosphere...they wanted me out.

Every time I do something w/for the team I FEEL LIKE displaying it on a white board at the office. I get a little sarcastic..when I am clearly doing something with/for the team..from time to time I will ask "am I being a team player now?" I'm bad about copping an attitude and not forgiving very well.

I appreciate your response.
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“Psychotherapy works by going deep into the brain and its neurons and changing their structure by turning on the right genes. The talking cure works by "talking to neurons," and that an effective psychotherapist or psychoanalyst is a "microsurgeon of the mind" who helps patients make needed alterations in neuronal networks.” Norman Doidge
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 04:53 PM
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I can chime in on this as I have heard all to often in work places I have worked in. I was often told I am not a team player or that I need to "take one for the team." Often this meant that I was going to take blame for something I had no part in or that I would spend the weekend working month after month so that management didn't have to. In all cases throughout my career path I was never rewarded for these activities. Instead my positive and cheerful disposition brought more of this work my way and more ridicule when things didn't work out as management desired them to.

I always assumed that if I accepted extra work and never argues the timeliness of the assignments that I would earn a place in a promotion or nice pay raise at some point. In one case I was actually docked pay by having my wages cut while two co-workers were given raises (we were friends). We all knew this was unfair but we couldn't openly discuss this as we would all be fired for discussing our rates of pay.

I have become anything but a "team player" after almost 25 years of this grief.
The right people will would have recognized your efforts...they are hard to find.

Taking one for the team....no way - unless I made the mistake. When mistakes are made and if I made the mistake...I handle right away - I admit responsibility and I will work with "whoever" to make things right. There have been times (not so much where I am now)..that someone would want me to lie to a client about a mistake to cover for someone else. Nope.

I use to have a few co-workers that would forget to return a call...I would clearly give them the message..but thay would tell the client no one gave them the message..making me look crap. I am not taking one for the team under those type circumstances. Some managers/employers value employees that will cover for them - Very hard for me to respect that manager/employer.
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“Psychotherapy works by going deep into the brain and its neurons and changing their structure by turning on the right genes. The talking cure works by "talking to neurons," and that an effective psychotherapist or psychoanalyst is a "microsurgeon of the mind" who helps patients make needed alterations in neuronal networks.” Norman Doidge
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Old May 04, 2014, 12:04 AM
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"Am I being a team player now?" Yeah, you probably shouldn't have said that. Too late now, though. Just try to smile a lot. Otherwise, they are going to sick of you. Sorry if that sounds mean, but it's true.
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Old May 04, 2014, 08:32 AM
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"Am I being a team player now?" Yeah, you probably shouldn't have said that. Too late now, though. Just try to smile a lot. Otherwise, they are going to sick of you. Sorry if that sounds mean, but it's true.
You are right. I have a very hard time holding back my emotions when I think something is unjust to "who I am". I fought back. I am always available at work because I do not have a family...so I cover a lot of things for others.

I do not hide my emotions well...and usually I am a very positive upbeat passionate person...we are struggling financially at the office right now..and blame is being thrown around - and it's not helpful. Passion goes both ways...I am protecting something I love.

I basically work every day most of the time because I love what I do. That's my choice. I can get better at not reacting! Which is something I am always working on....I ran across this the other day and read it years ago and it helped to remind me what is important and not get my feelers hurt...

"Never focus your attention on anyone's weaknesses--his temper,sloppiness, poor logic, dishonesty, whatever, Recognize these shortcomings, take them into consideration, but don't waste time complaining about them, Instead, pay attention to what your actions should be in order to deal with that person." Harry Browne

Thank you for your honest response to my post.
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“Psychotherapy works by going deep into the brain and its neurons and changing their structure by turning on the right genes. The talking cure works by "talking to neurons," and that an effective psychotherapist or psychoanalyst is a "microsurgeon of the mind" who helps patients make needed alterations in neuronal networks.” Norman Doidge
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