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Old 01-07-2022, 08:10 AM   #121
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This company that I am working with right now? I'm on their free trial, and it's far too intense of a program for me.

My inbox is so FLOODED with workshop invites that it's overwhelming. All I want to do after work is relax, not take an hour-long workshop! I don't even want to think about anything work-related after work hours... I'm too old for this level of work!

If I were 25 again, then yes, perhaps this program would suit me, but on top of that, it costs 7% of my salary when I get hired! So, if I get offered 100K salary, I have to pay this company $7,000 for getting me a job!!!!!! That's INSANE.

My career coach in the program mentioned that one week, hypothetically speaking, she may ask me to send out 20 applications. Come on..... who has time to write and craft 20 cover letters when they're working full time? Not to mention, I find maybe ONE job per week that suits me for which I want to apply. I don't just send out masses of applications.... I pick and choose and I research the company before I even think about applying.

So I have two more freebie meetings with this company before my trial ends. I am done with this. I could hire a singular career coach for a LOT less money and probably get the same quality of help with my resume, interview skills, etc.

I am not buying into this program - I found it through an ad on Facebook - no wonder and go figure.
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AND.... I think I may have instigated a bit of a mutiny in my current job. I let the cat out of the bag to my entire team about how the CEO truly runs the company. I informed them of what he tells clients and how he sells our particular line of services, which is way off-based and uninformed. So therefore, new clients get the wrong idea of what our work really involves, they think that we are a lead generation company, which is how the CEO explains our line of work, and then after many months when they don't see the EXACT results and work they're expecting, they tell us that they don't see the value in our work! Well, go figure, because what we do is NOT lead generation.

So my whole team is now informed of how poorly run our company is - and they all want to approach our VP about how to improve things. I fear that I may have more so encouraged my team mates to look for other jobs. IF that happens, then I get stuck once again holding it all together for the entire department, by myself.

What have I done?!?

I guess I got really sick and tired of holding all this info inside and to myself - so I let them in on what's truly happening within the company and on how the CEO truly runs things.

My team is not happy with what they've learned. I am so bad. I couldn't help myself though. It all just spilled out.
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So, I mouthed off to an internal recruiter of a company who wanted to interview me for a Director role. She told me after our 1st meeting that they wanted to see an example of my work, plus complete a 12 question essay questionnaire, plus give a presentation to my peers, so I finally lost it and had had enough. I told her that my results in my resume should speak for themselves, and same with the recommendations on my LinkedIn profile, .and that I shouldn't have to jump through so many hoops just to get hired. I told her it's insulting at this level in my career. I couldn't help myself! I was beside myself after learning of their process and exasperated. So I think I unloaded ALL of my frustration on this poor girl, but still, it was ridiculous what they were requiring me to do, and I wasn't having it. I told her thanks, but no thanks.

But now, once again, I have no job leads and it's back to square one.
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Itís annoying. Having said that, I am afraid itís somewhat typical

In my experience thatís a pretty typical expectation of a presentation in front of peers, samples of work and some type of questionnaire (often times more than one, additional is a psychological type of questionnaire in addition to professional one). I think often times whatís in resume or LinkedIn just isnít enough.

Iíve been on interview teams where people lied or exaggerated on their resumes and things didnít match or they were unable to present anything despite things they wrote. Not saying itís the case with you but they donít know you.

Also more money gets paid and higher the position more additional stuff they will require. Iíd say for a director role these things seem to be a rather typical expectation. Theyíd not want to bother just going by whatís in the resume. If they have 5 people with similar resumes, theyíd like to see more stuff to even get bothered
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My perspective is: WHY do all that work only to get rejected in the end? It goes both ways. Iím protesting.
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My perspective is: WHY do all that work only to get rejected in the end? It goes both ways. Iím protesting.
I understand your perspective and I get it not wanting to take the risk being rejected after all this hassle but the reality is that what they want. What did they say when you protested? They will interview you without these steps?
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I understand your perspective and I get it not wanting to take the risk being rejected after all this hassle but the reality is that what they want. What did they say when you protested? They will interview you without these steps?
hahaa, of course not. They said thanks for the candid feedback and that they will share it with the hiring managers.

I totally get that it's what certain employers may want - but I've gone through so many rejections and I've done all this work for these companies, all for nothing. So I want a company that doesn't demand work from me.
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In nearly all of my hiring experiences over the last decade, I had to provide work samples and/or do a short project to show my capabilities. At least for my current freelance position they paid me for the test project. The only situation where that was not required was with someone I knew professionally before I started working for the company he was launching.


You are in your right to refuse, but it is likely to limit your opportunities.
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hahaa, of course not. They said thanks for the candid feedback and that they will share it with the hiring managers.

I totally get that it's what certain employers may want - but I've gone through so many rejections and I've done all this work for these companies, all for nothing. So I want a company that doesn't demand work from me.
I donít want to sound flippant but if you want a company that doesnít demand work from you it would likely be low pay and not a professional job. Of course you might find companies that wonít demand anything up front but itís rare. Especially if you want a high pay job. And a high up position. I think it also depends on the field.

Digital/cyber/web/computer science jobs always require stuff prepared for the interview, much of my family are in those fields. Theyíd not ask RN to show samples, of what? So it depends.

Job search is a terrible and stressful thing. Who has the time for all these samples? I hope you find a company that wonít demand anything or maybe as rechu proposed you can find something through people you know professionally?
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Well, if I have to do it, then I will do it, but only if I really want to work for that company.

I got tired, and this one company wanted WAY too much in my opinion, so I declined. They even wanted a peer review from those I would manage - now that makes no sense to me whatsoever. They first wanted a work sample, then an essay questionnaire, then last, a peer review with me giving a presentation of my best work. Forget it.

The last time I did a peer presentation, the hiring manager laughed in my face because the room went completely silent after I finished my presentation. I am not going through that again.

At least I can pick and choose which companies and interviews I wish to pursue. And it IS a two-way street. I have just as much of a right to refuse to go through a particularly grueling interview process as they do in rejecting me. It's my life after all, my work life, and I get to choose which company I want to work for.
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I found out today that my only confidante left at work is now leaving the company. Yet another one bites the dust. She lasted 1 year and 9 months and was able to get another job, unlike myself.

But I am annoyed about how and she she told me she's leaving. She called me late yesterday so that we could have a good long venting session, as we have done in the past. It wasn't until an hour or more into our call and venting session that she finally chose to tell me she is leaving. I couldn't believe it. She sat on the phone with me, venting, all that time and never mentioned the fact that she has a job offer and has accepted it? I felt taken as a fool in a way - like she had pulled the wool over my eyes for a full hour before letting me in on her little/big secret.

I am also upset she's leaving because she was my last confidante left within the company. Now there's no one, and I am left all alone to suffer in silence.
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Thanks @Bill3!

So...... I had a 1st interview with a new company on Thursday which went very well. Now I am becoming very worried about a rejection in the final round, as things have gone thus far with 6 companies. SIX!!!!!! How does that happen?!? Six times rejected in the final round? Who has heard of such a thing?

This company requires a knowledge test questionnaire (OK), and 3 more interviews.

So, how do I stop myself from projecting a negative outcome onto this brand new interview experience, that could wind up entirely different than all past 6 experiences? I don't know how to stop myself from feeling like and from predicting that I will be rejected yet again, based on recent events. What do I do?
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And... I just received a very interesting email on LinkedIn from someone about digital consulting opportunities. I would be compensated on an hourly basis. WOW, if it's a legit opportunity, this may be just the ticket for me on the side. I wrote the guy back.
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Is it not advised that in response to the interview question: What's your greatest weakness? That I tell them that as I get older, I have noticed my memory isn't as sharp, therefore, I have to work a bit harder than most, and that's how I compensate for it????

The reason being - I took their questionnaire test, and while I was very familiar with the nature of each question, I had to look up the answers due to memory issues and not recalling all specific details. So, I was familiar with the topic, but had forgotten the details.

Is that bad/considered a negative if I admit a memory issue to my interviewers?!? Obviously, without telling them I had to look up the answers to their test questions! Hahaha.
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I think it's a good idea to be honest about your greatest weakness, so if it is your memory, but you have found ways to compensate for it, I think that's a good idea.
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I think it's a good idea to be honest about your greatest weakness, so if it is your memory, but you have found ways to compensate for it, I think that's a good idea.
Thanks, and you do? I am so uncertain about admitting that. Because of it, I can make mistakes sometimes because I forget important things.. then I remember or am reminded later, and I have to fix my mistake.

I just don't know if it would harm me if I admit to having some memory issues.
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I am recalling right now when my former CEO accused me: "you have no confidence in yourself, in me or anyone here" he told me. WTF?!? Where on earth did he get that from? I had done nothing but work hard there and mainly doing well there. It made no sense. He said that after I confronted him on something.
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I've already met and interviewed with the VP and next (today), I meet with the Director. However, after I completed their questionnaire whereby I had to look up nearly every answer, the VP wants a second meeting with me. Am I in trouble? What if he calls me out on having looked up the answers? I knew the material (mostly), but the knowledge wasn't readily available in my head, so I needed to look up many of the answers.

I'm scared of this upcoming meeting now.
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He isnít your boss so Iíd not be scared. He might just not offer you the position. What else can he do.

What kind of answers did you have to look up and how do they know that you did? Were they watching you? Nearly every question, like look up online? How many questions was it?
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