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Default Jan 19, 2022 at 06:17 PM
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He isn’t your boss so I’d not be scared. He might just not offer you the position. What else can he do.

What kind of answers did you have to look up and how do they know that you did? Were they watching you? Nearly every question, like look up online? How many questions was it?
18 questions. I looked up many, since I knew the answers, but the details were not fresh in my mind, if that makes sense. Old knowledge hiding somewhere in the cobwebs of my wee brain. lol.

The interview went well enough that I am now meeting with the CEO (final interview), and they've asked and have sent out references checks - a good sign - fingers crossed this one floats.

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Default Jan 19, 2022 at 09:38 PM
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That’s good. They likely don’t know if you looked up answers or not.
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That’s good. They likely don’t know if you looked up answers or not.
True. They have to know that the test format certainly leaves the door open for people to look up the answers, and they don't tell you not to in the instructions.

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True. They have to know that the test format certainly leaves the door open for people to look up the answers, and they don't tell you not to in the instructions.
Well any format will allow people to look up things on their phone if they aren’t being watched. Perhaps if the test is timed I guess they’d be no time to look it up but I assume they aren’t timed. Are you concerned that you don’t know the answers or knowing this stuff won’t be essential for your job?
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Well any format will allow people to look up things on their phone if they aren’t being watched. Perhaps if the test is timed I guess they’d be no time to look it up but I assume they aren’t timed. Are you concerned that you don’t know the answers or knowing this stuff won’t be essential for your job?
I'm actually not concerned about that anymore. In my field, I look most things up online - there's far too much to know. Now I am hoping I get an offer. I just need to get through one more interview.

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Default Jan 20, 2022 at 06:32 AM
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Which begs the question - normally, through an interview process, I will thank each one of my interviewers individually by email after the interview, hoping of course that I get invited to the next step.

This time, since the interviews have been quickly scheduled right after one ends, I haven't sent any thank you letters yet.

Today I meet with the CEO.

Do you think it's best if after I meet with her, that I send each interviewer a brief thank you note, expressing my enthusiasm for the role as well? Or, do I send one just to the CEO? I am not sure what to do?

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Personally: I would still write to each person, not just the CEO. To me, it is always a good thing to do, and I wouldn't like the possibility of them getting together to discuss you and the CEO says I got a lovely thank you note from her and everyone else says/realizes that only the CEO got one.
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I’d send it to everyone if I have their emails
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Default Jan 21, 2022 at 06:52 AM
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Thank you, both!

I wrote to each person individually.

Only 1 out of 3 references have completed the reference form that this company sent. I looked at it, and it's an insanely LONG form, which 18 multiple choice questions, plus three written questions. This company is SUPER careful about whom they hire - wow. So I had to write to 2 of my references this morning, acknowledging the form length, and asking them if they could please provide me with a reference.

I am scheduled to speak with the company's VP again today. Late yesterday, he told me he has one reference so far, but that he wanted to speak with me by phone. I figure this is a good sign again - I mean, IF I were being rejected, why would he want to speak with me, right?

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I got the job!!!!!!!!!!!!’

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Congrats!!!! Great news!!!! When do you start?
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Thanks so much @Bill3!!!

And thanks so much @divine1966!!!! I start two weeks from Monday!!

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Because the offer happened RIGHT at the end of my work day, I wrote a very brief resignation letter to my CEO and VP just before 5:30 PM when they would be signing off. I wanted to be sure they saw it so that I would be giving a full two weeks' notice for them.

I had written a straight forward, "I am giving my notice. My last day will be two weeks from today. Thank you so much for all the opportunities you've given me to grow and learn".

Something like that. Well, my CEO called me and clearly wasn't happy with the way I wrote my resignation. He said "so, you learn things here, then take it elsewhere?" in a snide way.

I tried to give him a lot of positives about my experience in the company, but then eventually told him our team is lacking leadership and that we as a team need a strong leader -- I mentioned the high turnover in that role. Then I told him some of the negatives that had driven me to want another role: that I was far too overloaded with clients, that my plate and workload was far too stressful, and that I am very burnt out. I also mentioned that this other company is willing to pay me more and has strong leadership in place. I told him that I have to look out for myself at this time in my career - that I am not getting any younger and that time is ticking by.

So then my CEO twists all of that around to basically tell me I am selfish. He also said he had defended me a bunch when the VP griped to him that I wouldn't help out. How could I help, I told the CEO, when my own workload, deadlines AND clients would suffer if I did put my work aside to help others? I told him, I helped as much and when I could, but really, you need more staff on the team, plus a team leader. In the end, he told me he is surprised and disappointed.

But otherwise, I felt anything positive I tried to say, he poisoned it with a negative spin. We hung up the phone, and I could tell he wasn't happy with me. ARGH!!

I am SO glad I am leaving, but at the same time, I REALLY need a positive reference from my CEO for the future, and I need to maintain a positive rapport with him. And now he's not happy.

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Default Jan 22, 2022 at 07:12 AM
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Just talked to my dad about it. He said, why did you feel the need to justify or defend your decision?

And I did with my CEO - I felt very defensive about it when getting on the phone with him, and when being attacked by him with his accusations.

I've heard that the CEO can react this way, go silent on someone who is leaving, and then will say positive things about the person two years later.

I really need his positive reference in the future. How do I make sure I have a positive reference from him?

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You really didn’t have to explain anything. It’s not anyone’s business why you are leaving. I am with your dad in this. If someone insists, then making more money is good enough, have to save for retirement. Or not having to commute anymore. But even that not their business. “It’s a decision I had to make for myself and my family”.

No other reasons needed.

And usually it serves no purpose to tell higher ups (when resigning) that they don’t run their business right. First of all they typically know but just don’t care. Second of all they’ll say it’s her subjective opinion plus she was a bad employee and likes to place the blame. It’s not like your feedback is going to improve the company. It won’t. It’s not like they live in the dark and see the light because of your revelation. They aren’t dumb. They know

You can use other people for actual reference. Doesn’t have to be him. He is unprofessional. I’d not worry about making him writing you positive references. If someone calls him as a former employer he can’t speak poorly of you anyways. It’s not how it’s done

I understand being a worrier but stop worrying about stuff that’s not important.
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I never said he doesn't run his business right. I told him that strong leadership has been lacking within my department specifically, that they are under-staffed and therefore, that I became overworked and burnt out. That's very different from telling him that he runs his business poorly. I told the truth, and he already is aware of these things, yet doesn't do anything or act quickly enough to fix them so that good people don't leave. That's his issue and his problem to resolve. I also said many positive things about the company, about him and about my experience there.

And I do worry about getting a good reference. I need a good reference, as the company owner before him won't give me one because she bullied me, and I got her into trouble with HR at the company. I cannot keep relying on references from 7-10 years ago. I think in my case, my concerns are very valid.

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Ok. I see. I am just saying you don’t need to defend yourself or explain when you leave jobs (as tempting as it is) especially if you still want good references and your reasons are because company sucks. People leave jobs all the time.

But that’s too late. You already said it. You just have to decide what’s important to defend yourself and let them have it or to have good references.

Sometimes telling the truth is more important and sometimes leaving on good terms is. It really depends on particular circumstances.

Perhaps I didn’t say it right that you have to stop worrying. I meant not worry after the fact. You already said all that amd can’t go back.

I meant more like if you want good reference and not sure you can get it, then don’t tell your reasons for leaving. Otherwise it’s worrying after the fact when you can’t change it

I’d now focus on starting a new job in a positive mood and forget about this. Maybe just be extra productive next two weeks and leave them with good impression
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Default Jan 23, 2022 at 01:31 AM
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Hey @HaveHope you did way better than I would’ve. First of all he took you off guard with a call and hammered you with rapid fire questions about your work there
Then he invalidated you and turned
It into “pick on hope time “ I would have talked too much as well but once
The criticism began this is how
I would have proceeded: “ as I mentioned in my letter thanks for all the opportunities to work on projects that helped my personal growth. But this conversation is not helpful. It sounds a lot like blame, shame and playing a game. We’ve talked enough about what was and I don’t need your input or permission to feel good about being hired for a better position because I have the skills they were looking for. I will be expecting a reference letter that is truthful and accurate and positive before my two weeks are up. If you can’t do that please tell me so I can pick somebody else who will honestly assess my qualities as a personal reference. Now if you don’t mind “F**k you f**k off and go f**k yourself “. But that’s me.

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