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Default May 29, 2022 at 08:59 AM
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I did do that after my formal review to HR. I sent them my examples of work done well, and stated that my review was mainly negatives and criticisms, and did not point out what I do well.
I am not sure if HR will bother with that. I don’t know if your HR does but they usually don’t know much about exact thing you were evaluated on. Our HR usually has less education than we do so I doubt they’d have much opinion on our evaluations or that their opinion will mean anything in that regards.

No disrespect for HR as they are very important employees but they’d not know anything I was evaluated on (and I’d not know ins and outs of their job either and I’d not know what they are evaluated on). They are trained in managing employees but not in a specifics of our jobs. Maybe it’s different in other fields and HR knows all ins and outs. Our HR and payroll is the same office so I only ever go to them for payroll questions. They’d not care if I didn’t like my review. They aren’t above me or my supervisors, they are just a different department with their own responsibilities. How did they respond to what you told them?

Were you given an opportunity to present those arguments to your boss (or whoever evaluates your work) at the review or after the review? If not, I’d send whatever info and evidence you have to evaluator. For example if I was told I require heavy oversight. Id say I required oversight on 2 projects but I didn’t require oversight on 5 projects. In the future I intend to improve even more and won’t require oversight at all.

I hope you didn’t sign it if you disagree with it
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Default May 29, 2022 at 09:12 AM
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I am not sure if HR will bother with that. I don’t know if your HR does but they usually don’t know much about exact thing you were evaluated on. Our HR usually has less education than we do so I doubt they’d have much opinion on our evaluations or that their opinion will mean anything in that regards.

No disrespect for HR as they are very important employees but they’d not know anything I was evaluated on (and I’d not know ins and outs of their job either and I’d not know what they are evaluated on). They are trained in managing employees but not in a specifics of our jobs. Maybe it’s different in other fields and HR knows all ins and outs. Our HR and payroll is the same office so I only ever go to them for payroll questions. They’d not care if I didn’t like my review. They aren’t above me or my supervisors, they are just a different department with their own responsibilities. How did they respond to what you told them?

Were you given an opportunity to present those arguments to your boss (or whoever evaluates your work) at the review or after the review? If not, I’d send whatever info and evidence you have to evaluator. For example if I was told I require heavy oversight. Id say I required oversight on 2 projects but I didn’t require oversight on 5 projects. In the future I intend to improve even more and won’t require oversight at all.

I hope you didn’t sign it if you disagree with it
Fortunately I wasn’t required to sign the review.

I did mention projects I managed where I did not require much oversight.

HR did not reply to my email about all this. HR is a new function within the company so I don’t know how they operate.

Now I have to worry about my meeting with my CEO in a couple weeks. I feel like telling her to just let me go, if that’s what they truly want.

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Default May 29, 2022 at 09:27 AM
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When you mentioned projects where you did well, what did your boss say?

Honestly I’d not bother with HR. It was the same in your previous job, if you didn’t like something coming from a boss you went to HR. It never worked. Unless it’s a formal complaint about discrimination and harassment (hard to prove) HR cannot do anything. They aren’t above your boss, they don’t know what’s right or wrong in your review. For a meeting with your CEO prepare some stuff to show that you are improving. Always collect evidence and documentation and have it ready for a review

I doubt they just fire people after they gave them pointers to improve. They have to give you time to improve.
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Default May 29, 2022 at 10:24 AM
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I feel like telling my CEO to just let me go already. My boss didn’t say anything when I said a project was omitted that I had done really well.

I know HR is useless. I disagreed with the review and said as much.

I just want them to lay me off now. My morale is low and I don’t see how I can feel good about working there. I’m not going to prove anything to the CEO. I’m going to tell her it seems like they want to get rid of me so just do it already.

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Default May 29, 2022 at 10:35 AM
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Do not ask people to let you go, it could be viewed as a voluntary separation and the company could challenge your unemployment claim. Just let whatever is going to happen, happen. I’d also prepare myself for what looks like a bad ending to this chapter.
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That’s a good point. Thanks, Molinit. I just want to be let go and I hope they do let me go. It would be for the best.

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Default May 29, 2022 at 10:51 AM
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Oh no don’t tell them to let you go. Either resign or wait for them to do something. You either get unemployment or don’t if you resign on your own. Both options are better than telling them to let you go
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Default May 29, 2022 at 10:53 AM
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If I voluntarily resign, I won't get unemployment benefits. I have to let them let me go. Maybe I'll underperform so that they have no choice. LOL.

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So, my boss told me about a task on Friday morning that is due tomorrow, after the holiday. He told me about it at 9 AM, yet didn't actually give me the details of this task until hours later, at 12 PM, when we were to be let go at 1 PM for the holiday weekend.

So, at 2:30 PM, after I had made some decent headway on this task, I asked if I could leave the rest for Tuesday morning to finish up. He said fine. But I am resentful that he gave me the task so late, when it's due the very next business day. Is that a set up???? I am very wary of my boss right now and feel he's trying to set me up for failure.

In my formal review, he argued that I could have tried harder on 2 different tasks I was assigned - the tasks that I felt were unreasonable to ask me to do. His reasoning was that these tasks were reasonable, when in fact, they weren't. I had no leg to stand on and could not argue back. I couldn't tell him they were unreasonable tasks, when he thinks they ARE reasonable.

I feel I am being set up to fail.

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Default May 30, 2022 at 09:40 AM
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I should have said in my review that those two tasks I felt were unreasonable. Why didn't I stand up for myself better? I felt a bit bullied in this review. Yes, I stood up for myself, but not enough. I could have said more, but I didn't feel it was right to argue with him in front of HR and appear argumentative.

Now I am concerned about what other tasks I might get that are beyond my abilities. How do I handle that? He wrote in my review that it's unacceptable for me to push back on a reasonable task. What if I get another unreasonable task? What do I do then?

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Well the thing is that they might think that unreasonable is subjective? I am not sure. I think unreasonable tasks would be if I was asked to do something that I don’t have education and licensure in and what was not in the job description? Or what violates the law or state guidelines? Or time frame is unreasonable? Like type 50 pages in one hour? Something beyond your abilities could be unreasonable if it’s not in a job description? Like if I am asked to sing in public it’s beyond my ability as I am tone deaf but it’s also not in a job description. I wasn’t hired to be a singer, obviously I’d not apply for a singer job. Are they asking you to do things that are expected of someone in your position or something isn’t even an expectation?

Do you have an example of unreasonable task? It sounds that you and the company aren’t on the same page about it
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Well the thing is that they might think that unreasonable is subjective? I am not sure. I think unreasonable tasks would be if I was asked to do something that I don’t have education and licensure in and what was not in the job description? Or what violates the law or state guidelines? Or time frame is unreasonable? Like type 50 pages in one hour? Something beyond your abilities could be unreasonable if it’s not in a job description? Like if I am asked to sing in public it’s beyond my ability as I am tone deaf but it’s also not in a job description. I wasn’t hired to be a singer, obviously I’d not apply for a singer job. Are they asking you to do things that are expected of someone in your position or something isn’t even an expectation?

Do you have an example of unreasonable task? It sounds that you and the company aren’t on the same page about it
Job descriptions don't matter when they include a clause that says "other duties as assigned".

For the first task that was unreasonable I was told that I wouldn't have to write the product descriptions - that we have writers for that. I was told to edit them according to the client's directions. I did edit them as far as I could. Some of his edits required rewriting a portion of the product descriptions, or a lot more editing than I am qualified to do, so I told my boss that we needed a writer to finish them up. He didn't like that and thought I handed my task off to a writer. The second task involved categorizing 3000 blog articles according to 3 very specific categories. The task was impossible because of the difficult nature of the blog articles. Even my colleague said It was too difficult. I did the best I could, but I had to guess on about 1300 of them in the end. I even read many of the articles to figure out the categorizations, and still could not figure it out. It one point I had told a superior that I thought the client should do this work because they know their products and product categories best. My boss didn't like how I handled this either, even though I did complete the task as best as I could.

Both tasks I felt were unreasonable and beyond my abilities. I felt that the blog categorization task was a set up for failure.

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Yesterday, I handed in a project that my boss had given me and he told me I did a great job on it. So, this makes me think I won't get fired in a couple of weeks when I meet with my CEO. IF I can do a great job, then how can they fire me, right?

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I touched base yet again with the recruiter from this company, they are still interviewing and now I should hear something by this Friday. This is the longest time I've ever had to wait to hear about a job and whether I am rejected or not. The fact that they have not rejected me yet still gives me some amount of hope that I am being considered. Otherwise, why string me along for 3 weeks?

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So apparently my boss feels that I should be smiling and happy despite my horrible review he gave me last week. In our company-wide meeting, he messaged me asking me why I wasn't smiling. GO FIGURE. You tore me apart last week, and I am supposed to have a strong morale and a big smile on my face?!?!!? Unbelievable!

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I wonder how many men he has asked why they weren't smiling.
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Smiling? Like what the heck. Even if you got good reviews, why must you smile at meetings? I never smile at meetings because I always pretend that I am listening what they are saying while doing my paperwork. In fact no one ever smiles at meetings. It’s not a party!
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Bill, exactly! He knows he trashed me in my review and that I’m not happy about it.

And yeah, divine, who smiles in meetings all the time???

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So apparently my boss feels that I should be smiling and happy despite my horrible review he gave me last week. In our company-wide meeting, he messaged me asking me why I wasn't smiling. GO FIGURE. You tore me apart last week, and I am supposed to have a strong morale and a big smile on my face?!?!!? Unbelievable!
I assume then that if someone tore him to pieces in a review, he'd have a massive smile on his face?
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I assume then that if someone tore him to pieces in a review, he'd have a massive smile on his face?
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