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Unless you signed a contract you could always back out. Plus things happen and circumstances change. If it’s something extremely necessary like you promise to drive them to a procedure, and then backed out it’s wrong. But promise to free lance isn’t life or death
Hmm.... well, I only said yes as a favor to my friend because the client is a friend of her father's. I would hate to disappoint my friend, though I never promised anyone anything. I speak with the client tomorrow.

Potentially, I could do just the audit portion and show them what's wrong with the website and what the site needs, then advise them to next hire someone to implement? I don't want to be doing this long-term after work hours or on weekends. That's what implementation would involve.

I just don't know! I am really in a quandary over it.

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Default Aug 17, 2022 at 09:26 AM
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How much time would be involved in the audit you have in mind?
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How much time would be involved in the audit you have in mind?
Maybe 5-7 hours depending on the size of the website.

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Default Aug 17, 2022 at 09:52 AM
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For that amount if work I think the expectation is or certainly should be that you would be paid. If you were to do it for free you would be going far above and beyond imho.

I think your plan to refer out for implementation makes sense. You help out your friend without getting yourself involved in something big you don't want to take on.

I would though also wonder how close this client is to your friend. It isn't her, it isn't her friend, it isn't even her father. To me this sounds like a strictly business transaction, she might even see herself as helping you out, not vice versa, thinking perhaps you might like free lance work.
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For that amount if work I think the expectation is or certainly should be that you would be paid. If you were to do it for free you would be going far above and beyond imho.

I think your plan to refer out for implementation makes sense. You help out your friend without getting yourself involved in something big you don't want to take on.

I would though also wonder how close this client is to your friend. It isn't her, it isn't her friend, it isn't even her father. To me this sounds like a strictly business transaction, she might even see herself as helping you out, not vice versa, thinking perhaps you might like free lance work.
Thanks so much, Bill.

I thought about it and since it was stressing me out SO much, I decided to cancel. I just sent her a note now. As it is, we are being assigned several website audits at work, and this will send me over the edge, if I have to do yet another one outside of work. So, it's solved then!

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Good decision, good self care!!
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Good decision, good self care!!
Thanks @Bill3! I feel like it was the right decision.

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Default Aug 18, 2022 at 06:09 AM
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So, I had my sixth month review yesterday, and it was a let down. First of all, he didn't have anything to present to me in writing. Secondly, HR was not present as they had been in the first review. And the conversation lasted 20 minutes, not one hour as I expected.

How come it wasn't in writing? I didn't even ask. I did ask why HR wasn't present, and I of course forget the answer now.

I need to follow up with my boss tomorrow and ask him if I will see a written review. I am feeling paranoid again. While it was all positive verbally, nothing is in writing that I am doing better and AM meeting the expectations for my job, which is what he told me. They could still let me go based on my first written review. I need to see the second one in writing.

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Default Aug 18, 2022 at 07:44 AM
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The absence of HR strikes me as a positive sign.

How often are written reviews typically done? It could be, for example, that they typically do them once a year, and so the company feels that one is not required now. Same question about the amount of time spent on the review.

What if you offer to write your own statement/review? With the idea that he signs it if he agrees.
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Default Aug 18, 2022 at 07:46 AM
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I agree that not having HR there is good. The only time HR was present at my review was when they wanted to let me go. For positive things, they didn't need HR.
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Default Aug 18, 2022 at 09:13 AM
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Congrats on getting a good review!

I’ve never had HR present at any reviews and evaluations in my life (and not just in my regular field of work, I worked in other fields). In my experience it’s not a typical practice. So I’d not worry about that.

Was this a formal review? I’d email and ask for a written copy of it. They supposed to write or type what they said. Was he just talking for 20 minutes with nothing to look at? I don’t think they’ll fire you based on the initial review as you clearly improved but you do need a copy.

Follow up with the email requesting a copy of eval. We always get second copy placed in the personnel file too. Let them explain why there’s no paper trail (they did not considered it a formal review or more like a casual reflection?)
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OMG be GLAD HR wasn't there! HR in a review is NEVER good. They were there last time because they were a witness. No witness needed this time and for me, reviews are informal conversations where they relay information to me and I can ask questions or answer their questions. When HR and documents are involved, it's always bad.

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OMG be GLAD HR wasn't there! HR in a review is NEVER good. They were there last time because they were a witness. No witness needed this time and for me, reviews are informal conversations where they relay information to me and I can ask questions or answer their questions. When HR and documents are involved, it's always bad.

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Do they not do annual formal evaluations at your job and it’s documented writing and goes into your file for everyone, not just if you are in trouble? But that’s once a year typically. In between it might be just informal conversation
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I, too, face the same thing when going for a new job. But I need to overcome.
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A yearly formal review is done, but I don't bother to ask for a copy, I guess it goes in my file but every 3 months there is an informal "check-in" type of conversation, which I also don't want or get written stuff about.

This is all done remotely, me at my house, them wherever they are. The only time HR is sitting in on a meeting is if we're being written up or terminated. HR at meetings at my employer never means anything good.
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A yearly formal review is done, but I don't bother to ask for a copy, I guess it goes in my file but every 3 months there is an informal "check-in" type of conversation, which I also don't want or get written stuff about.

This is all done remotely, me at my house, them wherever they are. The only time HR is sitting in on a meeting is if we're being written up or terminated. HR at meetings at my employer never means anything good.
Oh yeah HR doesn’t need to be there at all. I just wondered about written eval. They are required to give us a copy. I think it could come handy to have one. I don’t know where I put mine lol but I know they have a paper copy somewhere if I need it. Our level of effectiveness is reported to the state and is ultimately a public knowledge. I hear that mistakes are made and things are reported wrongly. It’s wise to have your own copy. But yeah that’s the annual one. Not the one in between
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Thanks for your input everyone!

I guess because I was expected to write something official regarding my work satisfaction and performance for my 6-month review, I also thought that my boss was required to provide a written review, as it was this way for my 45-day review.

I think it was supposed to be written. I will ask my boss in our 1:1 meeting tomorrow!

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I found out that my review is supposed to be in writing by my boss, but he's majorly delayed for some reason.

I am having a hard time due to lack of sleep and more recent death around me. My husband kept me up for half the night because he couldn't sleep, and I got maybe 3 hours of rest.

Now I have to talk in a company-wide meeting today and I have an assigned project due Monday that I must work through. I feel like calling in sick, but I cannot.

I am having a rough time all around. I am very envious of a dear friend that I met on a mental health forum years ago. She gets short and long term disability through her employer and is taking yet another disability leave of absence for a few months.

Around and around I go on this topic, but I wish to all hell I could receive disability so that I can take care of my mental health and take time off from work.

You know when you're sleep deprived and then everything is colored dark because you're exhausted?? Or everything is a struggle because you're exhausted? That's where I am at.

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I met with my CEO yesterday in a more casual social type of call. We have rounds that occur through our chat software that allow us to be matched with someone to have a 15-minute social visit. This allows us to get to know people in the company better. So I was matched with my CEO for the second time.

My husband thinks it was a mistake for me to bring up anything about a Content Manager role. I did, in this social visit. She asked me how my work was going, so of course I took the opportunity to tell her that I had enjoyed content ideation, that I discovered a skill I have in this area, and then I went on to mention how IF a position for a Content Manager DOES arise, that I would be very interested. I said that my boss had mentioned it to me as a possibility.

I don't think I was stepping on my boss's toes by mentioning this to the CEO? Do you? Instead, I feel I was self advocating, but my husband thinks this was a big mistake. He frequently thinks that what I say and do at work is wrong.

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