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Default Apr 02, 2023 at 05:15 PM
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Three months ago I applied for a job. I had one in-person interview and was told that the interviewer’s coworker would follow up with me the next day via email about moving forward with a job offer.

I didn’t hear from the company after that in-person interview so I waited a month. I Googled the role and it was still available, so I reached out again to the interviewer since i had her phone number and email address. She responded that she was really busy with trainings, and didn’t apologize for not following up with me, or having her coworker follow up with me. So weird, and unprofessional I thought.

Then I decided to write her and her company off because who just forgets to follow up with a job candidate that is told they informally have the job yet don’t have an official offer letter etc. from the company with any information about salary, health insurance,hours etc.

A couple of days ago, I get this random mass email addressed to me and 15 other “new” employees mentioning training dates. I was really offended. It had now been a total of 7 weeks with NO FOLLOW THROUGH on a legitimate job offer, and here I was, expected to show up for 2 weeks of training for a job I was never officially offered. Talk about unprofessional - and this is for an assistant manager job for a retail franchise store.

I responded to the email, just to the woman who initially interviewed me 7 weeks ago with my concern. I explained to her, that neither she nor her coworker never followed up with me after my interview with her, to officially offer me the assistant manager job, and how could she expect me to attend paid training when I hadn’t been hired yet.

Her email response put me 100% off. She said, “Oh, Lisa was supposed to email you but she got side tracked with her house sale. You know how these personal things go.” Um…what? My mother died but that didn’t interfere with my ability to communicate with people or keep my promises.

I was tempted to write a short novel respond. Instead, I just kept it short and sweet, “I’m not interested in your assistant manager role any longer. Please remove my name from your email list.”

How could I possibly trust these people to follow through as potential supervisors, if they can’t even offer me a job with an offer letter after my in-person interview. Making me wait 7 weeks with no clear answer yet expect me to show up for a paid training for the role I haven’t even been officially offered. That’s just bad business. No way would I trust these two women as my supervisors if they act this way with potential job candidates.

What would you have done?
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They sound very disorganized. What a mess. What would I do? It would depend on my need for a job.

If I already have a job, but am looking for a better one I wouldn’t be able to play these stupid games because if I didn’t put a notice for leaving, I can’t possibly start elsewhere! I wouldn’t take this job. They need to do better with their business!

If I don’t work and need a job, I’d take it but would keep an eye if this disorganization is their mode of operation. If training is paid, at the very least get two weeks of training paid. That’s something. And maybe the job itself is ok enough or maybe it’s even good. And management in retail switches around all the time. You might not have these supervisors for long. You might get new ones in a month and they might be better.

So yeah in this second scenario I’d take a job.
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Default Apr 03, 2023 at 08:23 AM
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Thanks for your input, divine1966. I thought about the training for a nano-second and opted not to because if this is how disorganized, unprofessional, and disrespectful these franchise owners are, what are the odds they'd be professional enough to follow through on their promises of a job offer.

Edit to add: These 3 are permanent as the woman who interviewed me is an area manager and the other two people (man and woman) co-own this franchise retail location. So, unfortunately, they aren't going anywhere.

What if they pulled the bait-n-switch where they train me to be a dog groomer (that's the training for 2 weeks) and then instead of offering me the assistant store manager role, which they haven't done as promised, offer me a dog groomer role instead. I don't want to be a dog groomer but I wouldn't mind assisting the store manager with the planning, staff scheduling, and marketing and displays etc.

Anyway, my gut's red flags were waving wildly. You don't keep a job candidate waiting in limbo and then breadcrumb them with random emails without any context. I had to ask for the context to find out why they strung me along.

Edit to add: They kept viewing my LinkedIn profile too (there's a feature that shows you who viewed your profile). My guess is, they wanted to hire someone else for the assistant store manager role, and possibly were trying to nail that person down and considered me as a "back up" candidate. Or, they're just 100% disorganized and don't prioritize communication, ethics, or respect of their stakeholders/followers, i.e. job candidates.

There's literally just no excuse in the business world to treat people that way, unless that's a reflection of their personalities (put their own needs first, put others' needs second). I would never work for a company who treated their staff that way and many companies are like that.

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Default Apr 04, 2023 at 05:39 AM
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Oh I see. If they didn’t officially gave you some type of letter or official statement that states you are actually hired as an assistant manager, it’s very likely that after training to be a groomer they’d expect you to be a groomer. They’d say there is “an opportunity” to become an assistant. And they’ll be off the hook as they never even give you anything in writing in regards to your specific position. Did you even do W -4. Was salary discussed? They play some kind of games and I think you maybe dodged a bullet here
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Oh I see. If they didn’t officially gave you some type of letter or official statement that states you are actually hired as an assistant manager, it’s very likely that after training to be a groomer they’d expect you to be a groomer. They’d say there is “an opportunity” to become an assistant. And they’ll be off the hook as they never even give you anything in writing in regards to your specific position. Did you even do W -4. Was salary discussed? They play some kind of games and I think you maybe dodged a bullet here
never signed any paperwork - just the paper application. No W-4.

I think you hit the nail on the head with their plans. I scoured Reddit for similar threads and someone else posted about being hoodwinked by a company; where they were verbally offered a role, then later told that role wasn't available but another role was available that they thought the candidate would be a good fit for.

Just really deceitful practices on the part of companies. This independently owned dog grooming store would have been within walking distance from my apartment and the prospected assistant store manager salary the low 50Ks.

But, I think you're correct: train me to be a dog groomer for 2 weeks while never producing the assistant store manager offer letter they'd verbally promised me, then make me a dog groomer. Their dog groomers only make $18/hr too which isn't a livable wage by any means.
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