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Old Apr 04, 2017, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by eskielover View Post
Sometimesthe other person doesnt know how to put in words that they are feeling suffocated by the needyness on anothers abandonment issues & knows that whatever they say will be taken the wrong way so the sadly the easiesy way is to take a break & see howthey themselves anslyze the situation durjng the break, leaving it open ended. The sad thing is that many times the needyness to not be abandonded pushes people away because it can become overwhelming & its not easy to express to the person that is how they are being effected by them & is usually met with defensiveness.....which just adds to their need to be away & doesnt fix it.

I have a friend with abandonment issues & constantly needs assurance that her friends are there. It was a whole new experience to deal with a friend like that. I dearly LOVE her but I was used to being alone & independent & had NEVER experienced a friend like that. I moved here from a bad marriage & knew no one but got very active in my community & activities in many areas. Last week I was dealing with a migraine & was in bed when I wasnt forcing myself to do things I really needed to do. When we talked (I always need hours free for our phone conversations between getting together) her comment was that I should have texted her I wasfeeling lousy with a migraine. Honestly that was the last thing I felt like doing.

Putting expectations on others to ease our issues may NOT be the best thing for them. Honoring their boundaries is justvas important as getting our own needs met & even more important forusto understand when its our needs that are causing them to set their boundaries.

There are just some things in life that no matter HOW they are handled will cause an issue or hurt of some kind.

I would suggest getting into DBT therapy. Learn distress tolerance skills. Get involved with activities that dont put so much demands on your friends to keep assuring you that they havent abandoned you because that can become quite overwhelming to them & push them away rather than keeping them there as a REAL FRIEND when they feel like they are only being used....that feeling gets old real quick & thats when boundaries end up being put in place....boundaries that we cause to be set by our own needyness to not be abandoned.

Its tough when we realize that its our behavior that is causing the problem....not theirs & in realuty we are the one that needs to work on change....especially when we see this as a repeating situation in our lives when trying to keep friends.

Be well....get some good therapy to really start working on yourvabandonment issues & how to better relate to friends without allwing your abandonment issues to get in theway of real friendships. i understand the struggle & the work it takes to honestly deal with the issues
Thank you for the reply!

Now, I totally know what you're saying and I know I can be tough on people. The truth is though, everytime I was abandoned, I actually didn't even voice my fears because I was ashamed of them. This is the first time I shared them and I did so because she too expressed she fears abandonment and not being enough in general, not in relation to me but as a constant feeling in her life. So we'd discussed issues like this before, not in relation to our friendship but generally. That's why I felt compelled to let her know how I feel, not to pressure her but rather to be honest and show the trust I do have in her. If this bothered her so much, she should have said so.

But in this case, I'm pretty sure that has very little if anything to do with it. It's all about this new job and her anxiety over it. She can get extremely anxious about certain things and intensely suffer over them and she's avoidant. Now she told me a few days before, that she's had panic attacks about this new job and has been feeling extremely guilty that instead of being happy about the job, a job in a field she likes, a job she wanted, she's feeling anxiety and feeling insecure. She feels easily guilty about things, she has this thing about trying to do the best she can, it comes from a good place of course but of course it leads to guilt and insecurity when anxiety or something gets the best of her.

Yes, I was having a hard time too on top of everything and "whining" but she had also said in the past that she'd feel bad if I stopped telling her how I feel, because she wants to be there for me(which is a mutual thing btw).

Mostly, when she doesn't reply for a day or two, I do get worried and wonder if it means something bad for our friendship but my main worry is related to how she's doing, if she's feeling alright, if something happened. It so happened to me that several online friends have either suffered an accident, sudden illness or, as in the case of one friend, might have even passed away suddenly, and I only found out days later. Well, in the case of my one friend who I suspect died(that disappearance was super out of the blue and no, I had actually never whined once about anything to her, it was just so sudden and she disappeared off everything and I did know her in person). So when it's a friend who lives abroad, I get worried when there's a change in pattern because I fear something might have happened to them and that makes me feel anxious and helpless because obviously I can't help and I'm very much interested in their wellbeing.

If she lived nearby, if we were in the same city/country, I would not be quite like this because it would be different and in case of something I could just go check up on her, ask a relative, phone her and I'd know that I'd find out if something went wrong. It would also be ok not to be in contact all that much online because there'd be the chance to hang out in person, do stuff from time to time, which is a more consistent type of interaction. But this way, she's on another continent and messaging is the only direct, quick way of staying in touch, of knowing how the person is doing and it's also the only way of building and nurturing the friendship, of being supportive of one another and having fun too. Because of the time difference, very rarely we've chat for hours, I don't even think we've ever even set a time to have a chat like that, it's more like if she's online when I'm online, we chat, if not then we message back and forth.

And I am sure that there's better ways to deal with people who have abandonment trauma that causes them to act needy and need reassurances, than just block them without a really clear explanation and all of a sudden. Even if that were the reason, which is surely isn't, at least not primarily, being someone who understands first hand how it feels to have similar fears and knowing I mean well and that even when I'm needier it's not me trying to take advantage or anything but simply an expression of how much I care, because the fear is greater the more you care, she could have been clearer and she could have not blocked me.

Truth is, I've always been abandoned and no, it was never for being needy because I kept that to myself until now. No, I was abandoned because people weren't really my friends and were just after something; I was abandoned because people liked talking to me when they too were going through a bad time and liked that someone could understand and empathize, but once they felt better and made new friends, I simply stopped being interesting and worth the time and I was abandoned by family members once they couldn't get any favors out of my mom and me. I was even half abandoned by my own father. I've never had anyone other than my mom, not leave without even saying anything. It's literally been 100% of my experiences with people so far. This time I really thought it was different.

I don't worry that much for no reason, I'm not normally quite like I probably sound now on this thread. Sure, I could be less anxious, I could fear abandonment less but then, it's always happened and at some point one does need some positive experience, no?

After so much mockery and abandonment, I often felt scared to even try to make friends, that it would be useless. But I always fought against those fears, I didn't let them turn me into a misanthropic cynic(like my mom did), I always start of giving people all the chances in the world, thinking they're good and loyal until actually proven wrong. I do my best to open up and be honest and genuine and build a connection the best way I know how with my limited experience and, for my friends, I would always do anything I can do. But I'm going to stop that, I can't get hurt again and I don't deserve it.
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eskielover