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Originally Posted by DechanDawa
I do understand mental addictions. For instance, I believe that suicidal ideation (thoughts about suicide) can be a mental addiction, and there are some studies out there to support this.
Thank you for talking about your issues. I hope others will come forward and respond to what you wrote. It was very honest, very direct, and very, very brave of you to discuss your personal issues. 
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Thanks.
As for mental addiction: uh, I thought I shut it down but I realize now that it just found another outlet to itself. It's an addiction about a goal that's seemingly unachievable... So my mind tries to find a way to "imagine" it can achieve it somehow... and that's my mental addiction. Sorry if that didn't make sense.
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Do you have a therapist? It can be helpful to talk with a professional. And CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) can be very effective in breaking mental addictions. I used this last year to great advantage.
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I have tried so many therapists. No one ever offered practical usable steps to me. Maybe I'm just a difficult case.
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This thread was really about the emptiness that remains after one gives up on negative coping. That's about it. I was in a kind of bad space when I started this thread, but now I am feeling much better.
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Glad you are feeling better. I'm not sure what this emptiness is like but I'm like, what's the point of just doing things neatly? I mean, I do want to do that but I'm just not able to... no real motivation.
Is that it?
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Originally Posted by DechanDawa
Yes, I agree with you, te. Maybe others would not...but having followed the CBT model with professional support...it seems possible, I think, to reverse depression on one's own without medication. Well, that is my hope! It has been my hope for three long years, especially since I realized I have become somewhat treatment resistant to conventional methods i.e. medication, and counseling.
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Hm, I was never responsive to medication or to counseling.
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There are some who would argue depression is biological and one needs medication.
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I actually relatively easily shut down negative emotions and negative thinking. It just doesn't help with the above issue.
I mean, I guess I mostly do it with the "mental addiction"... that addiction used to give me hope actually. Now it's just kind of something I still keep I guess, or I wouldn't have many places to hide from ****?
I'm also able to directly work through negative feelings, but it's hard work to always try and find some constructive step ahead and thus see hope etc.
Easier on the mind to just do withdrawing. But then no motivation etc.
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Let's keep up the work of progressing along the path. Change is not easy. But we can support one another as we do the hard work.
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I still don't know after 6 years as to what I actually need to change.

Oh well now this was negative thinking lol but also a fact. I did change a few things btw, of course, but idk what else is to be done... I never know, really. Then in retrospect I can see this or that thing is actually good. But actually none of it has stuck enough to achieve real change overall beyond a very limited scope...
Tbh none of the therapists helped me figure out even those changes. What's so damn hard in my case about getting direct and practical help?
OK I think I do need to stop dumping my thoughts here...
Back on topic.