[avoice]

My 2nd oldest is 22 and still lives at home. Due to ADD and dyslexia he has limited education resulting disabling behaviors enabling social security income. He has no job, or no participation in household activities / chores and worst of all he smokes that K2 crap. He does this because he's on probation for theft and it won't show up on drug screens. He sits on his *** every single day, now developing a wicked cough...due to....guess ? That K2 crap. I had a near-breakdown the other day and gave up arguing with him...giving him the indication it was OK to continue smoking...and do it in the house. I am drawing the line. I threatened to evict his ***.....he thinks he's going to convince me it's OK to smoke and legal. He's said he'll produce a 2 page report to say it's OK, regardless of his daily hacking (and nearly puking..he cough's so violently ).

[Hellion]

Did he do anything before getting on probation? Also if I am not mistaking K2 is legal, but its certainly not safe in any way as far as I know....any ideas as to why he feels the need to resort to that? is it an attempt at self medication or just to get high?

Also it is your house so its your decision if you want to evict his uhh ***, but if he has severe disabilities enough to warrent social security income it is likely he'd have nowhere to go and could end up in even worse situations or even dead. I unfortunately do not really have a solution but maybe others here will have more useful advice.

Sorry Avoice
I remember being 22 and wish I knew about my ADD back then. ADD is a monster that I've always fought. I was lucky because I always seemed to have people in my life that would "Draw the line" and have boundries set for me that were absolute. I never liked them, thought they were unfair, but the structure they provided kept me "In Check" and forced me to do the right things (Most of the time). I can see this in my daughters now. They do much better when they are in school, pushed by tough classes, pushed by us at home (Regarding homework/projects).

I know it must be very hard, especially because you have had plenty of your own to deal with too. Maybe a "No Smoking" policy, period? You don't need to discuss K2 being legal or not, ADDer's love to argue (Some of us at least) because it wakes them up, gives them a purpose.

I hope you can find a way to get him the "Kick in the Pants" that he needs

[avoice]

This is my understanding about the law http://controversialdrugs.wordpress....e-is-k2-legal/

[madisgram]

Originally Posted by avoice

This is my understanding about the law http://controversialdrugs.wordpress....e-is-k2-legal/

great article, avoice!
too many horrible deaths have resulted in K2. setting boundaries with your son while living with you is important. it's your home so your guidelines should be respected. if not successful with your son you'll need to follow through with the violation imo.

....Boundaries must be set for the right reasons. You need to be focused on your own well-being and mental health. Let it be very clear that setting boundaries will not cure addiction, nor will boundaries allow you to control an addict.
You need to put a lot of thought into the boundaries that you are willing to set and make it very clear to the addict why you are doing this. Explain to them you are doing this for your own good — as well as theirs – and why it is important to you.
Remember the key: once you set a boundary, you must enforce it.

http://www.clearviewtreatment.com/se...g-through.html

[Leed]

Hi Avoice ~ I'm so sorry you're going thru this. I know how difficult this is, as I had to set some difficult boundaries for my own son, and didn't abide by them so he had to leave. Now he's back after having gone into TOTAL liver failure, and almost died. His liver isn't working well right now, but he's alive. We dont know what the prognosis is, but we're hopeful.

You MUST set boundaries for your own son, and demand that he stop smoking this junk in your home. And remind him that this is YOUR home, and he's a "temporary resident." Tell him he MUST abide by your rules or he MUST GET OUT. And be prepared to stand by those rules. It is very hard to do. Avoice, and you'll worry about him when he's gone, but if you don't make him go (assuming he breaks the rules) then you'll be enabling him and that isn't doing him any good at all.

I'd suggest you go to some Al-Anon meetings or Nar-Anon. The Al-Anon meetings are better, from what I hear. I've never been to a Nar-Anon meeting but others have said that Al-Anon is better. Please go to some and get the support you need. It's important, sweetie.

God bless you and keep posting here too about this. I wish you the best. You know where I am if you want to talk. Hugs, Lee

Avoice this stuff is dangerous , its worse then pot. It's like acid mixed with pot and after long term use it can cause a loss with reality. An ultimatum is exactly what he needs. It reeks havoc on your body and mind.

[gma45]

I just wanted to say... I am so sorry Avoice this is what you are having to go through with your son. I agree with the no smoking policy. It just may be a start. No sense in getting your self worked up, arguing does nobody any good, in my experience, just makes matters worse. I wish you the best my friend. I can somewhat relate as my son is 22 also.