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Old Jun 17, 2017, 04:53 PM
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Honestly I tried it once & to be blunt it was like sucking a tailpipe & I couldn't sleep when I was tired. I hated it.
I've never really been into drugs. Yes I've tried several & don't want the addiction issue with my life. The hard part is knowing this person & being exposed to it. Guess I'm just innocent to how it effects people's lives.
It's hard to watch.
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Old Jun 17, 2017, 04:57 PM
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Honestly I tried it once & to be blunt it was like sucking a tailpipe & I couldn't sleep when I was tired. I hated it.
I've never really been into drugs. Yes I've tried several & don't want the addiction issue with my life. The hard part is knowing this person & being exposed to it. Guess I'm just innocent to how it effects people's lives.
It's hard to watch.
It's like watching a friend drown but you don't have a lifesaver to save him
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Old Jun 17, 2017, 05:02 PM
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Exactly! When we first got to know each other I didn't know anything. Then slowly he did tell me things. Then I really started to notice things more instead of paying attention to myself.
I had to almost wake myself up & stop being self absorbed to really look at the puzzle pieces that are right in front of me.
Actually it's my own fault for being so stupidly naive!
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Old Jun 17, 2017, 07:05 PM
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Exactly! When we first got to know each other I didn't know anything. Then slowly he did tell me things. Then I really started to notice things more instead of paying attention to myself.
I had to almost wake myself up & stop being self absorbed to really look at the puzzle pieces that are right in front of me.
Actually it's my own fault for being so stupidly naive!
No sweetie you're not stupid and naive. Sometimes when we fall for someone, we can't see, what others can. It's not your fault... Any of this...
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Old Jun 17, 2017, 10:34 PM
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It is my fault bec I can't grow a pair & move on.
I know better, everything & everyone yells run yet here I stand....thinking things might change.
I'm not the Magic answer they need or want. Kind of feels like getting picked last for dodgeball. It stings & you know you'll be the first one out.

But I guess this has made me stronger....& more cynical
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Old Jun 18, 2017, 07:05 AM
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It is my fault bec I can't grow a pair & move on.
I know better, everything & everyone yells run yet here I stand....thinking things might change.
I'm not the Magic answer they need or want. Kind of feels like getting picked last for dodgeball. It stings & you know you'll be the first one out.

But I guess this has made me stronger....& more cynical
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger! I also take a form of Provigil.
It's called Nuvigil.
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 05:22 AM
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I think whatever doesn't kill you....will try again tomorrow....& eventually it will.
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 12:30 PM
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My girlfriend's brother started messing around with Meth years ago. Before starting down this path, he was a compulsive collector of music and digital media. After starting down that path, he started collecting child pornography.

He let his health go. He lost interest in things like video games. He stopped doing things with friends. When he got busted, he had this kiddie porn collection, where parts of it were in precise alphabetical order, by genre [I cringe just to think of this]. The detectives who busted him and investigated said they could tell when the Meth was doing damage, by the sloppy progression of the cataloging of his collections.

He did some time in jail. When he got out, he had a hard time understanding the most basic concepts. He couldn't even operate a salt and pepper grinder. You never would have guessed that he was once a very intelligent legal assistant.

We buried him last month. He was a year younger than me.

Meth seems to be one of those things that you don't mess with.
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 12:48 PM
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My girlfriend's brother started messing around with Meth years ago. Before starting down this path, he was a compulsive collector of music and digital media. After starting down that path, he started collecting child pornography.

He let his health go. He lost interest in things like video games. He stopped doing things with friends. When he got busted, he had this kiddie porn collection, where parts of it were in precise alphabetical order, by genre [I cringe just to think of this]. The detectives who busted him and investigated said they could tell when the Meth was doing damage, by the sloppy progression of the cataloging of his collections.

He did some time in jail. When he got out, he had a hard time understanding the most basic concepts. He couldn't even operate a salt and pepper grinder. You never would have guessed that he was once a very intelligent legal assistant.

We buried him last month. He was a year younger than me.

Meth seems to be one of those things that you don't mess with.
I'm sorry to hear, but what was the cause of his death?
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 01:52 PM
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In October my sister, who was a meth user for many years, died. She had cancer, but what actually killed her was cardiac damage from meth use. Her heart was destroyed.
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 04:38 PM
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In October my sister, who was a meth user for many years, died. She had cancer, but what actually killed her was cardiac damage from meth use. Her heart was destroyed.
I'm solemnly sorry.
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My condolences are with you :sad hug:
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Old Jun 20, 2017, 06:50 PM
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I'm sorry to hear, but what was the cause of his death?
I can't remember what they wrote on the death certificate, because it didn't match up with what landed him in the hospital, and instead matched what happened when we removed the ventilator.

He had been diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, and had to take a pill once a day, but also had to manage his diet properly. His health seemed to be rapidly declining. He would avoid eating certain things, and would gravitate to other things, because his teeth were so rotted, probably as a result of his Meth use.

The family felt that he had a handle on what he needed to do, although I was having doubts because I could tell that he had trouble comprehending simple concepts. I was concerned that he would not be changing his eating habits properly, even though we talked with him about it.

According to what the investigators suspect, he was in the shower, when he had some type of "sugar emergency." He exited the shower, and was attempting to get to his front door to open it and call for help. He did not make it. He grabbed a lamp and pulled it down to the floor, where he landed.

His probation officer called us, probably a few hours after his event, to let us know that he missed his group meeting later that day. His group participation was just about over, and he enjoyed group, so it didn't seem right. He wouldn't skip group, especially when he liked it and was looking forward to graduating.

We sent a family member to his apartment, and they couldn't get an answer. His car was still there, so they called the police to ask for a "well visit." The police showed up quickly. They found him unconscious on the floor, wet and naked from the shower.

He was rushed to the hospital, where they put him on a ventilator. His blood sugar was through the roof. He was looking at some serious kidney damage, but even worse, he wasn't responding to stimuli. He was in one hospital for about a week, before being transferred to another hospital, where they had other specialists available.

A nurse inappropriately and accurately commented this his situation "looked grim." I hated to agree with her.

A specialist came in, did some tests, and let us know that he was brain dead. We then made the decision to pull the plug. Even though we knew it was the right thing to do, and that it's what he would have wanted, it was still a difficult decision to make.

He died about 7 hours later.

It was a rough two weeks.

It does us no good to wonder "what if" or to think about what could have been done differently. He was my girlfriends last living immediate family member. She tries to not feel alone because he is gone, but I know she has her moments. We just do the best we can.
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I can't remember what they wrote on the death certificate, because it didn't match up with what landed him in the hospital, and instead matched what happened when we removed the ventilator.

He had been diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, and had to take a pill once a day, but also had to manage his diet properly. His health seemed to be rapidly declining. He would avoid eating certain things, and would gravitate to other things, because his teeth were so rotted, probably as a result of his Meth use.

The family felt that he had a handle on what he needed to do, although I was having doubts because I could tell that he had trouble comprehending simple concepts. I was concerned that he would not be changing his eating habits properly, even though we talked with him about it.

According to what the investigators suspect, he was in the shower, when he had some type of "sugar emergency." He exited the shower, and was attempting to get to his front door to open it and call for help. He did not make it. He grabbed a lamp and pulled it down to the floor, where he landed.

His probation officer called us, probably a few hours after his event, to let us know that he missed his group meeting later that day. His group participation was just about over, and he enjoyed group, so it didn't seem right. He wouldn't skip group, especially when he liked it and was looking forward to graduating.

We sent a family member to his apartment, and they couldn't get an answer. His car was still there, so they called the police to ask for a "well visit." The police showed up quickly. They found him unconscious on the floor, wet and naked from the shower.

He was rushed to the hospital, where they put him on a ventilator. His blood sugar was through the roof. He was looking at some serious kidney damage, but even worse, he wasn't responding to stimuli. He was in one hospital for about a week, before being transferred to another hospital, where they had other specialists available.

A nurse inappropriately and accurately commented this his situation "looked grim." I hated to agree with her.

A specialist came in, did some tests, and let us know that he was brain dead. We then made the decision to pull the plug. Even though we knew it was the right thing to do, and that it's what he would have wanted, it was still a difficult decision to make.

He died about 7 hours later.

It was a rough two weeks.

It does us no good to wonder "what if" or to think about what could have been done differently. He was my girlfriends last living immediate family member. She tries to not feel alone because he is gone, but I know she has her moments. We just do the best we can.
This broke my heart.
My condolences are with and the family.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 12:18 AM
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I think whatever doesn't kill you....will try again tomorrow....& eventually it will.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 02:15 PM
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Thanks for asking.
Another question for everyone. How fast do the ticks go away after using? Do they take a long time to disappear or are they body ticks that stay?
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 02:18 PM
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Thanks for asking.
Another question for everyone. How fast do the ticks go away after using? Do they take a long time to disappear or are they body ticks that stay?
You mean as an example, if one is sleeping and they happen to suddenly jerk out of position and continue sleeping as if nothing ?
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How about the flicking of the tongue, the constant movement. Body picking etc
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 02:22 PM
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How about the flicking of the tongue, the constant movement. Body picking etc
I think that's all involuntary movements.
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 09:52 AM
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I was using the tics I saw kind of as markers to notice if there was use going on. I just can't tell if there is sometimes
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