Strange question........

I notice you picked up on my statement "I will never harrass you"....My reason for that statement is that ...I see many within pc who make a very subtle judgemental reply...just enough ...yet clearly judgemental....I wanted to point out...I will never do that.

I have stated in previous posts...I'd rather a person be straight (because I always prefer to know where I stand.)My intention was to state ..."I hold no judgement...just bewilderment and awe...regarding the fact that truly it is not imaginable to a person whos' mind doesn't work this way ....that this does exist.I want to point out that to date I have been a victim of sooooo much...just as many humans...and no doubt you yourself have been.Yet I can find a reason to cuddle them in my heart regardless of their actions toward me.I CANNOT hate.

Please understand.It is like...when you meet a person with 'psychic' abilities and you receive the notion in your head...but ...not being psychic....you cannot digest the totality of being psychic.

Yes actually...having that family reveals something more of your character that I was prior unaware of.(Please know ...my "opinion" of you does not exist...because I have not sat and chatted with you.I hold "no" opinion...I was merely interacting with the post you made.)I am sure you are quite charming....and try to be the best you can be.I am of no more significance on this planet than you are.Error is error...in whatever flavor...I am as corrupt as you...because I have made lessor...same...greater...mistakes.I am a faulted flesh bag LOLOL......

I withdraw any and all indications of judgemental behavior as I have no right.As I stated I am no better...just uniquely me.Admin should not ban you ...I doubt there is a danger of that...just read the community guidelines to see what to watch for.You are well spoken.Noone will ban you for thoughts,statements,and the like.I have seen bannable behavior go with a simple suspension of a short term.I dont want you walking on eggshells.There's no need for that.(Though I find that humorous since I am a "borderline,with other dx as well and re:borderline there is actually an old book written ..."walking on eggshells" )LOLOL......

If you have found yourself angry with me...and want to express it in whatever form...you may do so without being banned ...so long as it is in a private message.I welcome that...as you have every right to state your reaction.I will listen or....read....and hope we can interact back and forth...I hate for a person to be sideways and not be able to state a reply ....LOLOLOL....I embrace your feelings here ...and hope you consider my reply.

I am afraid I did not understand the "what says victim" portion...if u explain to me further...as I can be blond...(tho I was born a redhead) I could reply.You have earned NO DEMERIT! I mean that as the bigger letters imply....LOLOL...Who the hell am I? No better than you...lolol

Yes I am fragile...weak at times...and further ...as you can see...I didnt use enough forethought in my statements prior to your recent reply.(hangs head) I am adhd...a bit strung on coffee and ...my mind thinks in the speed of light...so I just cant always condense and edit my thoughts feelings.I apologise.

Please forgive me if I caused you to feel unwelcome.Not by me you aren't.As I stated you can private message me with anything from anger (at me) ...to further discussion...whatever you like.It is not against guidelines to do so.

My Respectful Apologies

Wolfsong

p.s alot of my reply was with my sons situation in my head.He was a chess pro in early high school...an A student...and my heart.His mind was eaten by paranoid schizophrenia....And he is in prison for arson...which by the way was a fire he lit (a tiny one ) for warmth....and due to its location...it was dubbed arson.....FEH......Please reread the post and my words therein and try to see that I was making NO attempt to minimize your presence in PC ...In my mind I see you as another intelligent soul who is merely different thereby interesting BTW...phoenix and Omers would have my livuhh with farva beans if I didnt keep you here to engage with

Go to check on gramma a few days and see what I miss!!!

I too welcome you here kaotikinside. I also see why you would feel as though walking on egg shells. I too am able to see the limits of expression here... and also the reasons why. I truly wish there was a better option.
I love to banter, tease and play... lord help me if there is a good debate going on... In doing this I mean no harm, it would be an act of ignorance not of malase. If I say something that offends feel free to let me know. If I intend to offend you will know it provided it is not removed first.

Ooooomerrrrzzzzz.... my lil mind candy gurl.....ur baaack...they closed the other thread...bummer.What's next ehh?It was Welcome back! Gunna go shower....hit me up in a bit aye?In yahoo

Well, according to an article I've read, people who are psychopathic tend to victimize certain people. And have a tendency to sometimes just choose to victimize certain people, by stuff they can tell by their gestures, such as avoiding the use of large gestures while moving, not making large steps whilst walking and those who'll be hurt and seeing how emotionally hurt the person is by what they did, hence the continuation of the evil treatment and people who are inexperienced and who haven't went through something to render them untrusting and usually those whom generally trust others. I realize some of them tend to victimize those whom react in certain ways so I guess that means they either victimize people who have certain stuff in common for some reason, maybe to make em react the same way?? Cause certain stuff people have in common, and the relationship with the person I think can be likely to decide how the person reacts.

Hey myers......good to see you again.

It is good to see some dialogue about the biz. I am sure my "psychopathic anti-social behavioural issues" have payed a visit recently

I have moved from trying to expel it, to just trying to love it. Aspergers says "struggles with empathy", I say "sensory junkie"(my psychologist used those exact words). I do not lack empathy in a very focused and tried and true way(in other words it is difficult for me to feel empathy for things that I have not experienced myself), and I am a softie, but there is always the Dark, the Anger, and the Lack of Caring.

My psychiatrist wants me on stimulants(dopamine the godsend?) to try and control the violently graphic images and dreams I encounter. Not true ASPD, but strangely, till this day, I still fit a lot of the criteria. I have made a choice, I guess, to question it. But boy, is it tiring.

I decried it when I got the AS dx, but I wonder. After living with the "name" for 15 years, it would be dangerous of me to discount it completely in the face of Autistic wiring. Who says, I can't be all of it, or none of it?

Oh yes, a Dark place place I have been, with moments of startling clarity. I need a pressure hug

Michah

Just because someone has ASPD does not mean they are looking for a target. You can be victimized by anybody for any reason at any time and the person does not nessicarily have to have ASPD. I've been diagnosed with ASPD since I was a teenager and I dont spend my time trying to locate people to victimize. Yes I can be manipulative and I can lie to your face and make you believe what I am saying, but so can people with no mental disorder what so ever. People with ASPD suffer like everyone else. I've been married for 6 years and I would have to say we have a better marriage than most people we know, which I've been told is unusual for someone with ASPD, but I dont think thats true at all. I've had the same friends since I was a kid and I make it a point to try and be as caring and supportive of them as I am capable of. It is difficult because my emotions and thought patterns dont work the same. So I have to try harder if I want to have relationships. One thing that helps is my friends know all about me having ASPD, because I dont feel like I need to hide who I am. If someone is going to be afraid of me simply because of a disorder I have no control over, then I personally would rather not deal with them. When people accuse me of being cold or uncaring, I think im just being logical and rational. I think people show far too much emotion. I dont fit every criteria for ASPD, but I'm a human being not a definition in a text book. There is no way to tell you how to be supportive, because everyone is different. There is definatly no way to tell you how to not be a target. If there was an answer to that question no one would ever be victimized. The only advice I can give you on that would be to be observant of the people you surround yourself with. Your post isnt offensive at all, but I do wonder why it is important for you to ask. Is there someone in your life that has ASPD and your wanting to know how to help them? Or are you just curious?

Wolfsong

You asked why people would want to hang out if they know the person has ASPD. I know it was worded different, but people I associate with enjoy my company. I've been told Im funny and easy to talk to, probably because I dont get emotionally involved in most conversations I can be objective. I have always looked at my emotional dissconnection as a good thing. I feel what needs to be felt when it is important. I do have friends who get angry if I dont act like I care about their bad day, but I cant make myself care if I dont. I think most people pretend to care more than they actually do.

The one thing that frustrates me about people who dont have ASPD or any personality disorder really, is that just like someone with cancer, we didnt ask to have this. I knew a guy who had bipolar and in his manic phase he tore his girlfriends apartment apart while she was away and ended up getting in a bar fight and arrested. He got a lot of sympathy because he has bipolar. If I were to do that same thing, I would be seen as a monster because of the stigma of what I have. FYI: I am not putting people with Bipolar down, Im just giving an example.

Well, people with ASPD even though, I am sure there are some of them who are not evil and who are very nice people, and aren't just putting on an act is still something to be careful about and know how to protect yourself from, before the damage is done. And not always but sometimes people with ASPD are definitly more liable to harm others. Sometimes you'll think you can trust someone they seem like really nice people even though mentally ill, and are expecting to have ASPD, but then you figure out it's all just fake, they aren't really nice and don't really care and just pretended to, to lure you in with their niceness just to upset you, immensely by being mean, then pretend they don't think they were being mean when confronted about it, sometimes someone with ASPD doesn't seem very caring or nice and like a mean, complicated person but then they harm you beyond word and beyond you can even imagine being hurt by doing things beyond imagination. I also don't get what else you said I mean there are ways to prevent terrible things and it's important to know how to. And not mention some people just aren't meant for those with ASPD because some people are just liable to get victimized by them unfortunately. and knowing how to protect oneself from such people is vital, even though some of them are not abusers

I said there is no answer to how to prevent being a target, because you never know what someone is looking for. You can be extra cautious and know how to protect yourself, but you cant fully know how to not be a victim. I was very clear in what I wrote. I resent the fact that you are generalizing an entire group of people, espeically when I am a part of that group of people. I am married and I have children and I am sick of people, like yourself, assuming I am evil, or cruel, or out to hurt everybody. When all I really want is to be able to live my life. I thought this was supposed to be a support forum, not a lets make people feel even worse about their existence forum. While I dont have much love in me for people, I do love my children and I love my husband as much as I can and I am not a bad person!! Im sick of people watching tv shows or movies featuring psychopaths and sociopaths or they have a bad experience with someone who happened to have the disorder. I was raped when I was 5 and that man didnt have ASPD, he had something else entirely. So I am saying that yes a person with ASPD can hurt another person. But so can a person who doesnt have ASPD. I have read through a lot of the forums on this site and I have read the threads on this forum and I have to say it is the least helpful and most destructive support forum I have ever seen. Saying every person with a specific disorder is evil or bad, without knowing every single person with the disorder makes you ignorant and a bad person.

It has been a whille since I have jumped in here but I am seeing a pattern here that I have seen in a lot of other ASPD threads... those of us who do not have ASPD come here to ask questions and learn. We are guests. And yet so often I see threads in the ASPD forum get shut down so often because we, as guests get defensive, start fights...

OK, I may be out of line here but we are people who don't have ASPD. This forum is for ASPD. We are guests here, yes we may make mistakes but I don't know... I don't think this is the place to argue or get defensive. They have a right to be blunt and defend themselves here (part of that is who they are) and talk about how hard they work and their strengths and recieve support like we do in our respective forums.
I would be among the first to jump their S*** if they went into other forums to pick fights or screw with people but I have not seen that.
Dunno, I just know that I am greatful to be welcomed here to learn, chat and play and want to respect my place as a guest in their forum. I am really frustrated that these threads keep getting shut down and not because of the people with ASPD.

Look, don't ****ing try telling me what to do in that manner, I am not in the mood for that, I was on my nice day earlier this is nighttime I am in a different mood and not in the mood to be nice, however I did tell her as nicely and calmly as possible what I told her, okay? Not to mention the last thing we need is more people getting hurt, it's not like I told her something meanly I told her something nicely. I was careful how I stated it because I was being nice. Now leave me alone. If you're going to tell me what to do, don't tell me like that, I do not like your attitude at all..

I dont hurt people!! Stop implying that I do, You dont even know me.

I mentioned no names and I am not responsible for your moods. Simply stating my feelings.

AlmendraLife,

Im not trying to sound mean when I say this, but maybe you shouldnt come on this board if you have so much animosity towards the people who suffer with this disorder and you dont know their situations. Are you aware that a lot of times a person with Anti-social Personality Disorder developed it because of childhood abuse? Do you think you have the right to judge someone when you dont know their circumstances? Would you want them to judge you without knowing yours? You just seem to be very filled with hate towards this specific group of people and this is a forum for them to get help and your post comes across as provocking.

Just leave me alone, just leave me alone. It's nothing I have against antisocials in general, I just have a disliking towards those who do bad things. I understand some of them can be trusted, I just have yet to meet one because I usually come across bad people in general instead of good people not to mention I pretty much know better than to fully trust anyone no matter who they are even my best friend. But I am sure I'll someday come across a good person whom is antisocial, I am not even ummm just saying that! i don't mind antisocials I would be around some antisocials I have known more, if they didn't treat me terribly and if the other one I knew didn't avoid me.

Wait a minute... Shattered? How many boards ARE you a member of... and what is your obsession with flaming every self-proclaimed psychopath on the entire 'net? Seriously, everywhere I have run into you (and this has to be something like the 5th place you've turned up) you try to stir up trouble in the antisocial forum....

Please allow this one to remain civil.

Look, I am trying to state things nicely, it's not my intention to insult. Kay?

Well dang ...this had been a very civil thread...an intellectual discussion.

Sylar please read carefully b4 quoting me.. basically I asked 'why (I) personally am drawn' to the type.I wanted to explore what is revealed of me... as I have seen a pattern with me, a magnetic draw it begins as intellect and charm then the discovery /revelation per se of ASPD ,and NPD.They are very charming...if they choose to be.

Being BPD...yes I face a stigma too and become 'categorized' I understand what you mean...You are right you did not ask to have it any more than I asked for borderline PD,and the other dx I carry.My son never asked to be a paranoid schiz...it is a noted disease where portions of the brain are destroyed by the disease.

Firefly,I could not have said your words as nicely as you did...you were very careful and it says volumes about you.

Soooooo grateful for the option to edit ...grrrr...lol.....