[ScientiaOmnisEst]

Maybe you've heard of this before: the idea that shyness and social phobia comes from a kind of egoism, believing you are the center of everyone's attention, the center of "a world which really has too many other things to think of to concern themselves with their acts and opinions", that all eyes are on you and everything is about you, and because of this selfishness, being paralyzed by fear. Or, to a somewhat less pathetic viewpoint, the socially afraid person wants to appear great or perfect at all times, and is so terrified of ever not being so they avoid the chance for rejection.

The socially anxious person, the theory goes, can be cured by realizing that no one loves them, everyone hates them and the world would be much better without them and their useless, worthless opinions and troubles. Today people like to call it the zero-fcuks philosophy; I was inspired to write this based on an older book calling it "poise". I was reading it this morning, and it goes into all sorts of detail about poise and resolution versus "timidity", which is said to be at the basis of all sorts of mental and moral issues including agoraphobia, social phobia, and clinical depression.

I'm starting to wonder if people of the past had it right: that mental illness, especially in men (women are generally weaker and less intelligent), is a moral, personal failure to be shamed and reformed. Perhaps that's even the reason our society is declining: we accept imperfection and flaws. Rather than shaming and condemning, we just pat the person on the head, give them a bottle and tell them "no one's perfect" (a lie, btw. I've encountered a few perfect people online. There aren't many of them), giving them no incentive to change.

But I'm getting off topic. It seems there are both modern and past analyses that indicate a kind of narcissism at the core of social phobia. What do you think about it?

[Hopeofreedom]

Interesting idea for sure 😯... a bit worrying though. What is the name of the book? And author?

Narcissism hmmmm, definitely can see that.

[handheart]

Narcisism its also a bad sin as god hates the people who think that they are the centre of the universe .Narcisism makes you very proud and pride its ditructing .You think that other people are inferior to you etc and many other things .In concluzion to your post yea its for sure also a factor that cause anxiety

[defyinggravity65]

Originally Posted by ScientiaOmnisEst

Maybe you've heard of this before: the idea that shyness and social phobia comes from a kind of egoism, believing you are the center of everyone's attention, the center of "a world which really has too many other things to think of to concern themselves with their acts and opinions", that all eyes are on you and everything is about you, and because of this selfishness, being paralyzed by fear. Or, to a somewhat less pathetic viewpoint, the socially afraid person wants to appear great or perfect at all times, and is so terrified of ever not being so they avoid the chance for rejection.

The socially anxious person, the theory goes, can be cured by realizing that no one loves them, everyone hates them and the world would be much better without them and their useless, worthless opinions and troubles. Today people like to call it the zero-fcuks philosophy; I was inspired to write this based on an older book calling it "poise". I was reading it this morning, and it goes into all sorts of detail about poise and resolution versus "timidity", which is said to be at the basis of all sorts of mental and moral issues including agoraphobia, social phobia, and clinical depression.

I'm starting to wonder if people of the past had it right: that mental illness, especially in men (women are generally weaker and less intelligent), is a moral, personal failure to be shamed and reformed. Perhaps that's even the reason our society is declining: we accept imperfection and flaws. Rather than shaming and condemning, we just pat the person on the head, give them a bottle and tell them "no one's perfect" (a lie, btw. I've encountered a few perfect people online. There aren't many of them), giving them no incentive to change.

But I'm getting off topic. It seems there are both modern and past analyses that indicate a kind of narcissism at the core of social phobia. What do you think about it?

First off all, women are not less intelligent. Maybe not intelligent in the same ways as men, but they are equally intelligent nonetheless. Most of the geniuses we've seen throughout history have indeed been men, but historically women were not given the same opportunities as men.
Other than that point, I do agree with your points on mental illness being linked to egoism and selfishness. I have social anxiety, GAD, and OCD, and I absolutely see traits of narcissism in myself.

[Jadenmia1]

Originally Posted by ScientiaOmnisEst

Maybe you've heard of this before: the idea that shyness and social phobia comes from a kind of egoism, believing you are the center of everyone's attention, the center of "a world which really has too many other things to think of to concern themselves with their acts and opinions", that all eyes are on you and everything is about you, and because of this selfishness, being paralyzed by fear. Or, to a somewhat less pathetic viewpoint, the socially afraid person wants to appear great or perfect at all times, and is so terrified of ever not being so they avoid the chance for rejection.


The socially anxious person, the theory goes, can be cured by realizing that no one loves them, everyone hates them and the world would be much better without them and their useless, worthless opinions and troubles. Today people like to call it the zero-fcuks philosophy; I was inspired to write this based on an older book calling it "poise". I was reading it this morning, and it goes into all sorts of detail about poise and resolution versus "timidity", which is said to be at the basis of all sorts of mental and moral issues including agoraphobia, social phobia, and clinical depression.


I'm starting to wonder if people of the past had it right: that mental illness, especially in men (women are generally weaker and less intelligent), is a moral, personal failure to be shamed and reformed. Perhaps that's even the reason our society is declining: we accept imperfection and flaws. Rather than shaming and condemning, we just pat the person on the head, give them a bottle and tell them "no one's perfect" (a lie, btw. I've encountered a few perfect people online. There aren't many of them), giving them no incentive to change.


But I'm getting off topic. It seems there are both modern and past analyses that indicate a kind of narcissism at the core of social phobia. What do you think about it?

'women are generally weaker and less intelligent' ... ? Really?