How are you all dealing with coronavirus and the restrictions... #2

I am also wondering about fading immunity, especially in the elderly. 76 people have died in my area since mid April. 8 of them were fully vaccinated, some already in hospice i.e. end of life care. In mid-April, the only people fully vaccinated would have been over 70, 100% mRNA. One family was interviewed. After being fully vaccinated, this woman, her husband, and her parents caught Covid. Her father died from it. Was it a bad batch?


Since the start of this, more people here over 80 have died than the rest of the population combined and while we are seeing more younger people hospitalized lately, even with the vaccines, the deaths are still mostly confined to the elderly.

Well, it does look like the inactivated virus vaccines are probably going to wear of more quickly. They are discussing Sinopharm here, not Sinovac, but both use the same technology.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/science/covid-vaccine-boosters.html

Will some Covid vaccines last longer than others?

Possibly. Scientists have already found that vaccines using different technologies can vary in their effectiveness. The strongest vaccines include Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech, both of which are based on RNA molecules. Vaccines relying on inactivated viruses, such as those made by Sinopharm in China and Bharat Biotech in India, have proved somewhat less effective.

It’s not entirely clear why that’s the case, said Scott Hensley, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania. RNA vaccines are relatively new and so the immunity they provoke has not been thoroughly studied. In his own research on mice getting different types of flu vaccines — some made with RNA and others inactivated viruses — Dr. Hensley sees a similar difference. The level of antibodies produced by the two kinds of vaccines are “outrageously different,” he said.

It’s possible that the protection from the less effective Covid-19 vaccines will fade more quickly. Sinopharm’s vaccine may already be showing some signs of this decline. Clinical trials indicate that it has an efficacy of 78 percent. But the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain are already offering boosters to people who received the Sinopharm vaccine to bolster their waning immunity.

I thought I’d feel great after the pandemic got better and I was vaccinated and I could go back to in person therapy and go out to eat again. But for me things just feel like they were pre pandemic. Which is just ok. I didn’t watch the news for weeks at a time last summer so I never really knew just how bad things were. I didn’t start watching the news regularly until after the election.

Our entire region will be back in lockdown as of Saturday. We preceded them by 2 days, but in the end no one escaped.

And, now, our Health Minister is showing Covid symptoms after a trip to the south. He was publicly vaccinated with Sinovac. Supposedly a quick test was negative, but they are doing additional tests.

I seem to be suffering from hay fever this year. Not the first time in my life, but I usually don't get it at all or very very mildly. Now I'm sneezing my head off. Perfect timing to get this during a pandemic you get paranoid about sneezing in public masks get in the way

Yes we're all experts at the elbow catch of sneezes now!

Some years are worse for some kinds of pollen I find. Do you take antihistamines? My husband uses a product called Hay Max which is a tiny tub of ointment you put in the nostrils and it traps pollen, it seems to help him.

Well it rolls on here, Delta is the dominant strain now - Alpha (old UK variant) now usurped. It happened so quickly. Delta is certainly more transmissible but whether it's more dangerous is not yet clear. End result is cases up but mostly unvaccinated (20-29) group. Good news is they're less likely to get very sick bad news is they can still get long covid plus the longer this virus thrives the more chance it has to mutate again.

I don't think they'll lock us down again but June 21st 'all restrictions gone' looks increasingly unlikely/foolish. Of course some businesses waiting for the restriction on large scale indoor events (nightclubs/entertainments) aren't happy and some are looking to take legal action against the government. I can't see that holding up in court myself though.

Personally I think we should be doing everything we can to avoid another punitive full lockdown.

My Community, in the South if Spain, is showing worrying numbers of contagious lately, in spite of following a good rate of vaccines, the relaxation of measures with the Summer arrival seems to be playing a role and it won’t help if we want to be considered a low risk territory for people from the UK. Our main group of tourists and visitors.
I think, we relaxed safety measures very quickly and we will pay again because the UK and other countries don’t care about our situation in hospitals being better or that the age of people who are getting contagious doesn’t represent, as a general rule, a high risk for their survival but abroad what it counts is the diminishing of contagious. And I do understand it.

Well, next Wednesday I’m gonna receive my first shot. I received an e-mail a long time ago from my medical assistance company asking us for not contacting them because we will be called. I haven’t been called. So, I phoned and although a little late, I’m gonna receive my first shot.

Hope, vaccines are given as quickly as possible to avoid new variants. The Delta variety is already serious enough. But, at this rate, I’m not strange that we have soon an alpha, a beta and even an omega variant, too. Especially, if in areas or countries as mine, let people transmit the virus instead of having a little of responsibility and wait for at least, being f@cking vaccinated and rise a big percentage of vaccinated people.

In another order of things, (I have just put this expression as it came to my head, maybe I heard it somewhere before lol), maybe it’s ok. lol! Well, as I said, in another other of things, I run into a friend last week. It was a long time since I saw her because she lives in another city. I flipped out when she told me that she didn’t give a $hit about the lockdown. She even came here to visit her mother from another city.
I got all shocked. And I only reached to say that I did followed the safety measures. And that even with having dogs, I only take them out to do their things. It was very hard but I followed the rules not only for me and my family but for a sense of responsibility with other people.
I can’t really understand these people who in spite of being adults showed that they should have learnt from the example given by kids. The upside down world. lol!

Guys, keep your fingers crossed for me tomorrow, please.... I might try to get my vaccine! They're vaccinating people from a particular area this weekend, if it's quiet they'll open up for people from surrounding areas as well. My area would be second in line.

They're doing J&J and Moderna - I'd have to get Johnson because I'm not in the city for the date of the second shot.

Edit: depending on how bad monthly hell gets tomorrow the worst day of that is not really a great time to stand in line for hours

And I'm scared of side effects. I know they are mostly mild but I so rarely get ill even a low fever is scary to me. Even being unusually tired is. I have emetophobia so nausea as a possible side effect is even worse. Also I've read the vaccine can make your next period go into overdrive. (Of course as that is something only women experience..... it is mostly ignored) What will it do when I'm already on it when I get vaccinated? ..... and did I mention I'm not a big fan of needles? yes I am a huge coward.

Everything crossed for you @BreakForTheLight

fingers and even toes crossed!

Seems like all the people from the target area have waited until the last day to get their shot. Just saw a tweet that there's currently about 400 people waiting so unlikely it'll open up to the rest of the neighbourhood soon

I spent 15 minutes searching for the document proving I live at my address last night, now I'm sitting here with everything ready, waiting.

My fingers are crossed for you! I hope you get it.

I'm in a very, very long line. Looks like it could be an hour or two. I've barely taken 2 steps forward in 10 minutes. Already feeling uncomfortable due to the bleeding and anxiety for the shot is through the roof. Next couple of hours are gonna be fun!

I hope I'm in the right line and there's not some random queue here I don't know the area here so I just joined the queue I saw near where google maps told me to go

Update: after about an hour and 45 minutes I've gotten my J&J shot! Feeling a bit blah with anxiety, the waiting time to see if you don't have a reaction is kinda scary don't remember any waiting time for the last vaccine I had . But I was like 16 or 17.

2nd edit: and I'm home. The strong pain in my arm was only a couple minutes after the shot, now don't feel it at all. I do have a slight headache but I spent over 2 hours with an FFP2 mask on. Already started feeling better when I took it off and walked the last half hour home. Cramps kept themselves in check while I was in line, thank god, they're only starting now but that is normal for that time of the month.

What great news!!! And you will only need a shot for now. Isn’t it great?
Did you take paracetamol before being vaccinated?
I have been recommended to do it by a friend of my sister who is a nurse.

Texas has lifted pretty much all restrictions. I am ok since I have been vaccinated, but the number of people refusing the vaccine does worry me.

I'm so relieved! When I checked the regular vaccination centre last night, there were finally some appointments available but not until the end of July. Now I just have to wait 2 weeks and I will be considered fully vaccinated Just hope I don't die from VITT, obviously.

I didn't take paracetamol - it's actually recommended against because it might affect your immune response. Someone in our group for the talk with the doctor actually asked about it and he also said it's best not to take anything before getting the vaccine. Afterwards is fine though.

Do you have to have a doctor inform you about the risks in other countries? I asked my parents and back home you only have to talk to a doctor before your vaccination if you answered yes on any of the questions on the form you get before. Here it is mandatory for everyone. On top of being handed reading material you also have to sign. And not just for J&J but all the available vaccines. (Imagine my shock when they put 4 total strangers together around 1 table to have this talk ) At least it gave you something to do while waiting in line, though It was a loooooooong wait.

That's interesting @BreakForTheLight yes I got verbally informed about the rare blood clot associated with the AstraZeneca, and what symptoms to look out for. I also got given a printed sheet with all the info on, I think that's standard legal practice and think I got given one with my flu shot too.

I hadn't realised not to take paracetamol before, that's good to know. I did get advised to take afterwards at home and drink lots of water.

Hope any side effects will be short lived for you!

Yes, this is the problem authorities are finding there in the States. I wonder and I’m curious to know why.

Well, tomorrow, I will go to my family doctor so she will tell me. Anyway, I’m afraid I will have to take something for the pain before going to be vaccinated because I began my menstruation so I have at least, a week ahead of taking pain killers.

I’m already picturing you going to visit your parents and friends. I’m very happy for you.