How are you all dealing with coronavirus and the restrictions... #2

Things are going “better”. 66 This is the people who died today in Spain because of Covid-19. The lower rate since the pandemia.
All seems good news here today (except for the families of these 66 deceased people, of course) Finally the vaccinations are having the effect on the decrease of numbers at any level: deaths and contagions.

My partner will receive his shot tomorrow evening. I’m so happy for him.

Definitively people who live alone are finding a plus of difficulty along this pandemia. And it’s even worse if you are an avoidant or has social phobia. This leave you few space to count with a certain social net.
That’s the reason why I put this thread here.

It’s obvious that this pandemia have affected much more to some kind of people. First, the elderly ones and then, people who have any kind of mental distress.
I do really can’t figure how my sister and my brother-in-law got to manage with my nephew (who has Asperger’s syndrome) while the lockdown took place.

I remember my sister told me that they went to do a little of exercise by going up and down the block stairs.
I admire them so much for what they have done. I do really admire what parents have done during this pandemia. It’s not easy.

That's some good news, AzulOscuro. The last few days the deaths were low, but that always happens earlier in the week when they report the statistics from the weekend, there's always a bit of a lag with reports. Most people wait until the weekdays to report a death. Today I'd be willing to bet we will hit over 100 again.

I was reading that in the Philippines, the government has told vaccination centers not to announce what vaccine they will be using on a given day. Like here, it's mainly Sinovac. They have gotten some AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna. Anyways, people were flooding the vaccination centers that announced they were giving Pfizer and Moderna. I guess no one there wants Sinovac either!

Well, I guess the government gave up on us. We move out of lockdown to phase 2 on Monday, despite having more active cases now than before lockdown started.

Thanks dear for your concern.
Oh! lol! Is it true? They don’t say the vaccine they are giving to the population? Wow! It’s so unfair and disrespectful.

More active cases, @rechu?

@AzulOscuro - https://twitter.com/CristianGarrid/s...32240037912576

Oh that is good news indeed.

It's only a few states in Germany that have lifted priority so far. Most of them are still going by only priority groups - older people and people with underlying health conditions. But they are planning on ending priority country-wide next month. That would make it free for all. Which brings another issue for my social anxiety if I have to go and call around to try and get an appointment myself, competing with half the city for my vaccination Personally I think it would be much better if they stuck to a time line and sent out invitations to people when it's their turn. Or let people make an appointment online but for now the vaccination centres are still open only to people in priority groups.

There is this stereotype of Germany being super efficient but having lived in this country for almost 9 years now ( has it really been that long??) I can tell you that is very much NOT correct.

I don't think being vaccinated will be a requirement for going back to the office, but apparantly the thinking behind it was that by that time, most people will have had their shots. Gotta admire their optimism Personally I really don't feel like going into the office when we're still having to deal with masks and 1,5 m distance and stickers saying "you can sit here" or big red crosses where you can't sit

They find out when they get to the vaccination center and can refuse if they don't want what is on offer. There were just too many problems with people crowding vaccination centers using Pfizer and Moderna that it won't be announced beforehand.


Here too, the government says you can't pick and choose. You get what is on offer except for certain priority groups that were promised Pfizer. Well, I chose no when they wanted give my Sinovac. Then when I went back there was only Pfizer for first doses .

This isn’t good thinking but I’m worried about getting back to normal. I think it’s just my own anxiety’s and how accustomed I’ve been to staying inside for 15 months. I’m not having anxiety about Covid getting bad, but this back to normalcy is freaking me out a bit and I don’t know how to explain it.

Does anyone else feel scared getting back to normal like this?

I felt a bit strange and still do tbh. I am okay with some things (seeing people I love and trust) but I still don't feel okay with crowds and indoor restaurants or even public transport.

Do you think it's because we got so used to perceiving danger that we are still stuck in that mode?

It helps me to take things at my own pace, no rush, at this time.

Well, I just saw an interview with our mayor. He said that he's been pressuring the Health Ministry for the last few weeks to move us out of lockdown because it was very clear that it wasn't having any effect and they weren't getting enough assistance from the federal government for enforcement. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

As @Discombobulated said, take little by little. At your own pace.
Changes take a time.
I don’t know how I’m gonna feel or do it. I will tell you when I get vaccinated. But, I guess it will be a process.

What are you more worried about?

Oh yay, another mutation in France! Hope it stays there.

Apparently there's now talk in Germany of reserving the Pfizer vaccin for 12-17 year olds. They'd better not skip out on my age group to give teens priority

I hope they don’t. It would be the last straw.

I also have these moments of doubt. As they are talking now about the researches doing on younger population, I think...hey, don’t forget of me.

You wouldn’t know there was still a pandemic around here. Hardly anyone is wearing masks and on the news they are saying it’s the lowest rate of new infections but there’s over 2000 new cases in my state and 7 deaths. That’s not nothing!

@AzulOscuro and @BreakForTheLight I hope you both won't have to wait too much longer for your vaccinations. You've waited a long time already.

I know the vaccine is not a cure and they say we're going to have to live with covid some time but it's a big relief to finally get your vaccine. I have my fingers crossed for you!

Fully agree with @Discombobulated. I hope both of you can get vaccinated soon!

There are more and more medical professionals coming out to say that Sinovac is showing to not be very useful as far as preventing transmission. There was an article today showing how many municipalities in our region (including mine) are seeing more active cases than a month ago.

Sorry, I guess only @AzulOscuro can read it.

Tabla: evolución de contagios en la Región Metropolitana, comuna por comuna - www.lun.com

Still, the Health Minister will only say that all vaccines are safe and effective. What kind of kickbacks are he and the president getting from the manufacturer, I wonder?

They are finally letting us take off our masks at work if we are fully vaccinated. I asked the guy behind me if that would get him to finally get vaccinated and he said no. I got the vax months ago. It feels really strange not having the mask. IMO they are worthless anyway.

I can’t understand how after 8 millions of population being vaccinated, contagious cases still are increasing. Here in Europe, after having more of less this quantity of vaccinated people, the number of contagios show a tendency to be stabilised or decrease.
Thanks god, you got pfizer.

Ah, @rechu, for the record, don’t have too much faith in any of the politicians there rectifying or undoing anything. They never get wrong in the decisions they made. It’s an axiom.

We are gonna also be able to be outdoors without the mask soon. Something to be grateful for because it’s beginning to be very hot here.

I thought the masks were helpful. Why do you think they are pointless?

@AzulOscuro - Believe me, I have no faith in this clown show. The President seems only interested in increasing his fortune and the Health Minister is does whatever the president says.

Now the President wants to introduce a sort of green card to allow more mobility for vaccinated people, when 85% are still getting Sinovac, or as you know I like to call it, Suerovac. We got another 2 million doses of Suerovac yesterday! The government says, well Israel did it, but, of course, Israel is only using Pfizer.

The Health ministry is showing some stats about the probability of ending up in the ICU without being vaccinated. I'm not going to type it all out, but these caught my eye:
40-49 - 5.7%
50-54 - 8.1%
55-59 - 11.2%

60-64 14.7%

That is supposedly of all COVID-19 positive people in these age groups. What can I say, it seems kind of high to me. If I had more free time, I'd pull up the government reports and crunch the numbers myself.

Believe me, I am also very happy I did what I had to do to get Pfizer. That stubborn gene I got from my dad finally helped with something! If we will continue to be a viral hotspot, at least I have more protection than most. I do worry about my husband, especially since at some point he will have to go back to the office.

I do agree with you. A single deceased person or a person in intensive care counts as long as we can do something to avoid it.

We are get use to seeing the figures day after day.
Figures are cold, no face and eyes.

I remember at the beginning of the pandemic that a woman reported that her husband died because he didn’t receive the care needed. The woman phoned to the number for covid emergencies and she was asked to wait. Well, her poor husband couldn’t wait because he was very ill and he needed urgent help.

When I see these gathering of people in the streets without masks, one close to the other as if they were in a concert...I can’t avoid wondering where they come from. Are these our sons and daughters?
What a f@cking $hit of a generation we have created. Haven’t we?

Aren’t you, guys, getting now different vaccines? Moderna, Jansen...you know.?

Moderna hasn't even been approved here. I think cost may have been an issue.

J&J/Janssen was being negotiated for at one point but the talks fell through and it was never ordered. It hasn't been approved either.

AstraZeneca has been approved and we are getting a trickle of doses from COVAX, shipments of only 100,000-200,000 at a time. They are mainly using them for men. It's approved for women over 55, but most in that age group had already been vaccinated.

We have another Chinese vaccine with limited available data, CanSino coming soon. 1.8 million doses of that. It's a one-dose vaccine, similar to J&J/Janssen and has approval here. Mexico is using it a lot. I think they have a contract to make it.


The Pfizer order was for 10 million. I haven't heard that there are any negotiations to get more. We've received only about 2.5 million doses of that order. I know Argentina is currently negotiating for Pfizer and Brazil signed a deal for 100 million. Yeah, even Bolsonaro realizes the need for better vaccines, and they are manufacturing or are going to manufacture Sinovac there. (I am not sure if production has started or not.)

I read that China wants to start a big internal vaccination campaign due to an important upcoming holiday and it is likely to lead to lower exports to other countries. We recently ordered 4 million more Sinovac, yuck. I am not sure if the recent 2 million or so doses are related to that order or not.

They love Sinovac here, what can I say?


In all cases the approvals I mention are for emergency use, as I think is the case everywhere.

Wow, they just announced changes to the quarantines/phases and no area that is still in lockdown in our region is going to move out of it. Some areas are going on 10-11 weeks locked down.