[Lindozone]

I was 17 or 18 when I finally got my MMR vaccine. I read that it could cause some very serious reactions and that in infants and children it could cause autism. I got it that late becuz I was born with an eye condition called nystagmus. The doctors didn't want to give me the MMR vaccine becuz they already suspected a link between the vaccine and autism- it was 1980/81. My eye disorder is neurological. They just thought that i would be better off waiting to get the vaccine becuz they were not sure what was causing the nystagmus. Turns out the nystagmus was persistent yet benign- it was idiopathic like it sometimes can be.
I already had some major issues before getting the vaccine in highschool. I was an extremely emotional person and as an infant and toddler was exhibiting some weird symptoms such as, not wanting to be touched/picked up, hair twirling, stuff like that. I was practically an insomniac since birth.
I do wonder if the MMR vaccine caused a mild adult-onset autism.
It would explain why I feel like I am not really there and I also lack empathy for others. I am very often overstimulated and need to go curl up in a ball somewhere to shut everything out. My cognitive/intellectual skills have suffered too as did my physical agility.
I really hope somebody could shed some light on this for me.

[hawthoerne]

the vaccine has nothing to do with autism. they said this many times

[loveregardless]

I have chosen to have my son only receive certain vaccinations so far, and he is now 7 months old. He has received 3 total, of the double digit list that he would have already, if I was following the nationally recognized schedule. I have not decided when or if I will make the decision for him to receive more. For one thing, the current schedule is the monster sized version of what it was when I was a child in the late 80's and early 90's. Look up the schedule for 1985 and compare it to the schedule from today.

The issue with vaccinations is far greater than it's supposed link to autism. While it is widely accepted in the mainstream medical community that vaccines are in no way linked to autism, the issue is far more complex than the small amount most of us have heard about it.

I attempt to parent my son (and live my life) as naturally as possible, and to use organic and natural products in my home, on our bodies, and especially in our bodies, whenever possible. For me, vaccines are not a natural choice, and intuitively, it does not feel right to follow the "regular" schedule. This does not mean that I think vaccines are bad, or that they were not originally developed with positive intent, however, it does mean that I am going to make my own choices in regards to them, just like I do with everything else in my life.

Everything from the food we eat, to the bleach and detergents we use on our clothes, the cleaners in our homes, and the fake scented candles we burn next to the PVC shower curtain in our bathtub, has it's own effect on our bodies and our environment, but most people don't think anything about them, because they are mainstream. (And they are cheap)

That being said, I would be hesitant to connect you symptoms with having received the vaccine for several reasons. One, you have a more developed immune system as an adult than in infant does, and therefore your system is not going to react like that of an infant. However, the issue with vaccines is, every single human body reacts differently to things, and it is impossible to know how your individual body reacted to that particular stimulus.

And for the record, my son is one of the healthiest babies who were born from my birthing class group, and he is one of the only one's to have not been "regularly" vaccinated.

[hawthoerne]

i do understand the organics, i would do the same if i had the money

[hmarr]

there are many links in the scentific community about the links of the mmr to autism. they have been on capitol hill to testify to them. My son has autism and it came about 2 days after his mmr shot so u tell me that the mmr had nothing to do with his autism .

[EvilZakkie]

Originally Posted by hmarr

there are many links in the scentific community about the links of the mmr to autism. they have been on capitol hill to testify to them. My son has autism and it came about 2 days after his mmr shot so u tell me that the mmr had nothing to do with his autism .

I understand how deeply many people want to find something or someone to blame, but the MMR link simply isn't true.

For starters, twin studies show that the heritability of autism is over 90% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_autism). If you take into account people that miss out on diagnoses due to technicalities, then the most likely conclusion is that autism is entirely genetic.

As far as the MMR vaccine goes specifically, there have been over 15 studies and numerous reviews clearly showing no link between MMR and autism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vac...Recent_studies). In addition, it turns out the original MMR/Autism link claim was based on fraudulent data, as per below (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy):

Claims of a connection between the vaccine and autism were raised in a 1998 paper in the respected British medical journal The Lancet. It was later discovered that Andrew Wakefield, the paper's lead author, had received major funding from British trial lawyers seeking evidence against vaccine manufacturers. Ten of the paper's twelve coauthors retracted its interpretation of an association between MMR vaccine and autism. It was also discovered that Wakefield had previously filed for a patent on a rival vaccine using technology that lacked scientific credibility, and that Wakefield knew but did not publish test results that contradicted his theory by showing that no measles virus was found in the children tested. In 2009, The Sunday Times reported that Wakefield had manipulated patient data and misreported results in his 1998 paper, creating the appearance of a link with autism. A special court convened in the United States to review claims under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ruled on February 12, 2009 that parents of autistic children are not entitled to compensation in their contention that certain vaccines caused autism in their children. The Lancet fully retracted the 1998 paper on February 2, 2010.

[mysonsmom]

My son was born completely normal, aced all his pediatric checkups, UNTIL HE WAS GIVEN THE MMR....his eyes turned up in his head within 2 days, and hes suffered from nystagmus, which was never noted until then, and Aspergers, though we've just started testing, although I know he has it. I KNOW THE MMR CAUSED THIS...

Originally Posted by Lindozone

I was 17 or 18 when I finally got my MMR vaccine. I read that it could cause some very serious reactions and that in infants and children it could cause autism. I got it that late becuz I was born with an eye condition called nystagmus. The doctors didn't want to give me the MMR vaccine becuz they already suspected a link between the vaccine and autism- it was 1980/81. My eye disorder is neurological. They just thought that i would be better off waiting to get the vaccine becuz they were not sure what was causing the nystagmus. Turns out the nystagmus was persistent yet benign- it was idiopathic like it sometimes can be.
I already had some major issues before getting the vaccine in highschool. I was an extremely emotional person and as an infant and toddler was exhibiting some weird symptoms such as, not wanting to be touched/picked up, hair twirling, stuff like that. I was practically an insomniac since birth.
I do wonder if the MMR vaccine caused a mild adult-onset autism.
It would explain why I feel like I am not really there and I also lack empathy for others. I am very often overstimulated and need to go curl up in a ball somewhere to shut everything out. My cognitive/intellectual skills have suffered too as did my physical agility.
I really hope somebody could shed some light on this for me.

[Omers]

I know some on the spectrum who were born this way... from their first breath something was different. I also know others who did not show signs until after the MMR.

IMO there is a genetic predisposition for autism and multiple factors that can cause it to emerge. Just so that my personal bias is out there.

Given my understanding of the MMR and the arguments as to why it may cause autism I don't think that getting it as an adult would have the same impact as getting it as a child.

IMO it sounds like you may have already been on the spectrum but other things in your life right now are bringing it to the forefront of your attention.

Originally Posted by Lindozone

I was 17 or 18 when I finally got my MMR vaccine. I read that it could cause some very serious reactions and that in infants and children it could cause autism. I got it that late becuz I was born with an eye condition called nystagmus. The doctors didn't want to give me the MMR vaccine becuz they already suspected a link between the vaccine and autism- it was 1980/81. My eye disorder is neurological. They just thought that i would be better off waiting to get the vaccine becuz they were not sure what was causing the nystagmus. Turns out the nystagmus was persistent yet benign- it was idiopathic like it sometimes can be.
I already had some major issues before getting the vaccine in highschool. I was an extremely emotional person and as an infant and toddler was exhibiting some weird symptoms such as, not wanting to be touched/picked up, hair twirling, stuff like that. I was practically an insomniac since birth.
I do wonder if the MMR vaccine caused a mild adult-onset autism.
It would explain why I feel like I am not really there and I also lack empathy for others. I am very often overstimulated and need to go curl up in a ball somewhere to shut everything out. My cognitive/intellectual skills have suffered too as did my physical agility.
I really hope somebody could shed some light on this for me.

I'm not surprised that you suffered some ill effects. The vaccines contain all sorts of stuff like mercury, half alive germs, weird chemicals, and all sorts of garbage. Any artificially produced chemical probably does brain damage on some level. Even stuff like getting drunk can mess you up too and make you less socially skilled and maybe even stupider over time because it slowly kills brain cells. So do the vaccines, they're just another form of artificially produced chemicals just like things like drugs, beer, and cigarettes are. A drug is a drug regardless of the social acceptability of it. Seriously, I am very leery of any kind of prescription medication. I had a severely negative reaction to an asthma drug before. Unfortunately, it really served to bring out my negative, depressive tendencies like never before and the glum and misery lasted for months, perhaps there were some permanent effects as well. So, I'm not surprised that you might have had a little brain damage from a vaccine. Honestly, I feel strange for a while after getting shots as well and thus I don't really get them any more unless it's a life or death matter. Just remember, if the doctor suggests you get a shot or take medications you DO NOT HAVE TO SAY YES. You can refuse vaccinations, medications, and all treatment and it is your constitutional right to be able to refuse treatment. Use this right wisely. The only time this right can be violated is if you are severely psychotic or in some way present a danger to yourself (or others). So, unless your running around town naked getting chased by demons and thinking your Jesus , no doctor can force treatment upon you.

[rosska]

Originally Posted by Steve223

I'm not surprised that you suffered some ill effects. The vaccines contain all sorts of stuff like mercury, half alive germs, weird chemicals, and all sorts of garbage. Any artificially produced chemical probably does brain damage on some level. Even stuff like getting drunk can mess you up too and make you less socially skilled and maybe even stupider over time because it slowly kills brain cells. So do the vaccines, they're just another form of artificially produced chemicals just like things like drugs, beer, and cigarettes are. A drug is a drug regardless of the social acceptability of it. Seriously, I am very leery of any kind of prescription medication. I had a severely negative reaction to an asthma drug before. Unfortunately, it really served to bring out my negative, depressive tendencies like never before and the glum and misery lasted for months, perhaps there were some permanent effects as well. So, I'm not surprised that you might have had a little brain damage from a vaccine. Honestly, I feel strange for a while after getting shots as well and thus I don't really get them any more unless it's a life or death matter. Just remember, if the doctor suggests you get a shot or take medications you DO NOT HAVE TO SAY YES. You can refuse vaccinations, medications, and all treatment and it is your constitutional right to be able to refuse treatment. Use this right wisely. The only time this right can be violated is if you are severely psychotic or in some way present a danger to yourself (or others). So, unless your running around town naked getting chased by demons and thinking your Jesus , no doctor can force treatment upon you.

What is your deal with necromancing threads from years ago? Not to mention going on about vaccines causing the girl brain damage when she didn't actually say she had suffered brain damage from the MMR vaccine... Your posts are actually ridiculous at this point.

[The_little_didgee]

Why I am replying to a four year old thread:

Andrew Wakefield is a fraud. He violated medical ethics for money. His MMR, colitis and "autism" paper was made to appear there was a link.

It is really disconcerting to see the resurgence of communicable diseases, such as measles, because of this crap.

My ASD symptoms were present, before I had the MMR vaccine. There is no way this vaccine caused it. Most people in the autism community agree the MMR vaccine is not a cause. The majority of us don't back Jenny McCarthy and the like.

[snickie]

One of the reasons so many people are convinced of the link between MMR and autism is because the age that one first receives the MMR vaccine is about the age that autistic traits usually begin to really manifest themselves if they're going to and haven't yet already. The vaccine itself might be a trigger, who knows.

There is a correlation, but just because there is a correlation does not mean that there is a direct relationship or connection.

[-jimi-]

I never had MMR, it didn't exist when I was a child, I actually had rubella as a child, and I was never vaccinated against measles and mumps. Both parents have vague autistic traits, my uncle is definitely an unDX aspie (in his 80s), he only had smallpox and TB vaccine his whole life, his father my graddad was aspie like as well and had no shots at all.

The brain goes through massive changes around the age 3-4 (why most people have no memory prior), so it's not odd to assume some cases of regression is triggered by that phase.

Also yea, digging up threads from years ago... not cool.

Originally Posted by The_little_didgee

Why I am replying to a four year old thread:

Andrew Wakefield is a fraud. He violated medical ethics for money. His MMR, colitis and "autism" paper was made to appear there was a link.

It is really disconcerting to see the resurgence of communicable diseases, such as measles, because of this crap.

My ASD symptoms were present, before I had the MMR vaccine. There is no way this vaccine caused it. Most people in the autism community agree the MMR vaccine is not a cause. The majority of us don't back Jenny McCarthy and the like.

It doesn't cause anything, it just takes someone who would have some mildly "different" traits anyway and turns them into a zombie because the government puts all kinds of poisons in the shots to effectively weed out all the "different" people or at least it seems to me that's what the intent or at least the sort of unconscious motive for all of this. Think about it, when so few people die of measles when they get it (the rate is similar to the flu), why would there be any reason to bother getting a shot for it or worrying all too much about it. Everyone in my family older than 50 or so had the illness itself and it wasn't really any worse than getting the flu. You'd be far more likely to have a heart attack from eating unhealthy food but you don't have the man forcing people to eat healthy.

[Lauliza]

The reason the symptoms of autism show up after the MMR is due to developmental milestones in language being reached at this age, around age 2. As autism is a communication disorder, this is when you will notice the first signs.

The apparent jump in rates of autism is really an issue of how these children were classified years ago. Severely autistic children were usually grouped together with developmentally delayed children and were not categorized as something different until more parents began speaking publicly and described the unique characteristics.

ASD are pervasive developmental disorders and they are genetic and last over the lifetime. People love to think about this government conspiracy stuff, but it is what it is. They need to have some way to control these outbreaks which if they stop vaccines will happen all over the country. Don't try to use autism as the scapegoat becuase it is convenient. Pure rubbish.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Steve223

Think about it, when so few people die of measles when they get it (the rate is similar to the flu), why would there be any reason to bother getting a shot for it or worrying all too much about it.

I was born in 1958 for reference. I could not take some immunizations that were made from horse serum/other because of my allergies. I was not immunized against measles and when I was young I became very sick with measles and according to my mom the doctor said it was touch and go for a bit. I was a very sick child.

For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die. (per CDC) You say that is "so few" but IMO that is a fairly high death rate for an illness that can be prevented.

Also note that some things previously in vaccines such as mercury are seldom now used as preservatives. "Following a mandated review of mercury-containing food and drugs in 1999, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) asked vaccine makers to remove thiomersal from vaccines as quickly as possible as a purely precautionary measure, and it was rapidly phased out of most U.S. and European vaccines" 1

Not wishing to continue a debate on the subject but felt these facts were relevant.

[kiwi33]

As other commenters have pointed out, there is no link between MMR vaccination and risk of autism. Dr Wakefield cheated, his paper has been retracted and he has been banned from working as a medical doctor.

With part of my day job (professional immunologist) hat on, a famous Danish study looked at 440655 children who got the MMR immunisation. and 96648 who were not (big numbers!). There was *no* difference in rates of autism between the immunised and non-immunised children and *no* association between development of autism and age at immunisation.

One-line summary: MMR immunisation has nothing to do with autism/ASD risk.