[Ryask]

Normally when i am hypo manic i don't sleep, and when i am depressed i sleep constantly..This is the first time that i can recall where i am depressed...and can't sleep. Anyone else not able to sleep when depressed?

I cant sleep when I am depressed. I get to anxious for sleep. Here's hoping you get sone sleep.

[Merlin]

I tend to oversleep when I am depressed, but when I am in a mixed episode usually depression predominates, but I'm also unable to sleep.

[nerdosaurus]

I can't sleep at all at the moment feeling depressed. I think it's because the thigns stressing me out and making me feel low play on my mind as soon as i get into bed and have nothing else to think about.

Maybe something is bothering you in this way and stopping you sleeping?

[Ryask]

Well i finally went to sleep at around 3am, but i'm up at 7am, so i got some sleep but it's really not enough, 7 more days till i see my T and i sure hope this doesn't continue longer then the three days it already has. Oddly enough right before the isomnia i was sleeping 12-15 hours which is more like me when i am depressed.

[SunAngel]

Do you think you are heading for a manic phase and don't realize it yet?

That happens to me. Whenever I am depressed and I cannot sleep, it always means that mania is on the way.

[Ryask]

I'm not sure..

[SunAngel]

Originally Posted by Ryask

I'm not sure..

Ryask, I see your mood is *****y. You could be in the dysphoric type of mania.

[Ryask]

but i cry all the time and i don't want to do anything....and the phone ringing makes me want to vomit...thats how i am when i'm depressed...how can i be both?

[widgets]

i cant sleep when i'm depressed sometimes. Sometimes i deprive myself of it in a self harm sort of way.
Sometimes i get way to anxious and worked up about it, that i just cant drift off.

[Ryask]

I think this may be a mixed type episode...but i'm not supposed to have them because i'm BP II

[SunAngel]

Originally Posted by Ryask

I think this may be a mixed type episode...but i'm not supposed to have them because i'm BP II

I would tell your pdoc what you just said about having a mixed cycle because maybe you really are BP1. I didn't know that BP2 never had mixed cycles.

You learn something new everyday.

Thanks.

[widgets]

I'm BP2 and the episodes i get most often are mixed. The further up i go the unhappier i am

[Ryask]

I've decided to make a list of the symptoms i'm experiencing and then categorize them as either hypo mania or depression...:

Depression:

Anxiety/panic
isolating (not answering phone/door, not wanting to go anywhere)
tearfulness
Loss of interest in everything accept my obsession
thoughts of suicide
irritability
...i'll just say poor hygiene


these are the symptoms I'm experiencing in the hypo-mania category:

-Impulsive buying
-obsession with something new (this time it's ants last time it was fishing the time before that photography the time before that the Wii, before that drawing before that sewing, before that knitting....ect. etc. ) This obsession is really terrible i am in tears if something stops me, i panic until i get what i need..and i feel like i need to do something to do with the item, research whatever...at all times all of my waking hours. (if you remember my other post about my husband not picking up plaster and me flipping out on him...that's because i needed plaster to make an ant formicarium)
-Insomnia
- RAGE
- drinking/drugs (i never do this when i am depressed)
- racing thoughts
- The feeling that i cant get words out fast enough sometimes my chin quivers and i begin to shake with excess energy while I'm talking.
- short attention span can't concentrate.

I don't know what category to put thoughts/fantasizing about harming others.

Anyways I've never been mixed, so I'm kinda wondering in your mixed episodes did your symptoms match mine? I do plan to talk to my T about it but my appointments isn't until the 7th.

[Sophia57]

Sounds like dysphoria to me. That is hypomania without the good feelings. It took me years to sort out that I was mostly hypomanic, and angry and dysphoric. Sometimes just knowing is a great help. It was for me.

Hope you find a way out of this. By the way, sleep is almost always an issue for me, and some nights I take a variety of prescribed sleep meds.

Ugh, this is the worst type of feeling. I'm actually kind of going through this now... I am usually manic/hypomanic, but I've been depressed for about 2 weeks. Yesterday I was feeling normal, but my occasional pain med actually threw me into psychotic mania & now I'm kinda dysphoric today. Might just be grogginess from the benadryl to knock me out, but we'll see tomorrow!! Take care of yourself & definitely talk to your pdoc. I honestly didn't know someone with Type II couldn't be mixed. You learn something new every day

[Ryask]

Well the description of bi polar II says no psychotic features, no mixed episodes and only hypomania not full blown mania however the depressions are the same in I or II

[widgets]

I dont think the rules are so set.
I think its just down to the person at the time, not every tree is the same, but they're al trees.

[Merlin]

I know that for the DSM V there is talk about using the specifier "with mixed features" rather than have a separate episode descriptions as there are many hypomanic episodes with depressive symptom and visa versa so the current criteria is limiting.

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision...n.aspx?rid=483