[Clinte89]

http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/br...-on-treatment/

Interesting view on severity of bipolar.

[faerie_moon_x]

I believe it's like all things where everyone is actually different. No matter what illness you have there are varying degrees. Everyone responds to everything differently, even food.

very interesting Clint...

But the fact of the matter is, some people with bipolar disorder are in pain on a daily basis. For some people with bipolar disorder, life is not worth living. For some people with bipolar disorder, every single day is the struggle of a lifetime and when they go to bed at night they have no idea how they made it through another day.

....that bit there?

thats me

[LadyShadow]

Very interesting article. I think I fit in group two where you are high functioning but you can only work part-time. I'm afraid if I push myself too hard I will crack under the pressure. But at the same time when I am off from work and have time to myself to regroup and mellow out and rest, I am constantly restless. Constantly at battle with myself, when I am supposed to be at ease. Its a massive mindf*** you know what I mean.

[venusss]

Meh, I do not like Miss Tracy. And I kinda lost the "don't agree, but you make a point" to her, when she jumped on Torrey's bandwagon.

I commented there about the perspective on treatments does not necessarily reflect severity of bipolar, but other things as well. Trust or mistrust in other's ability to help you. Viewing the causes of your quirk... I mean, since I view it as spiritual thing, I will not do things to my brain to make it go away, eh?

[faerie_moon_x]

I saw your comment Venus. I was like, OHHH, I know you! Haha.

I think from the tone of the article she has kind of: "No one can know what I'm going through, drama drama," attitude. "Oh, that worked for you, well let me tell you why that won't work for me, drama drama. I'm more different than you are!" And the whole thing about the judgementalness of other bipolar people. Sure, they are there, but I feel she is one of them just by catagorizing people like that. Did she ever stop to think maybe she hasn't found the right combo, or maybe she's trying too hard, or reaching for a goal that is imaginary? Like she has an idea image of what wellness is and if she doesn't reach that, then it's not working?

I wonder if she came here maybe we could help her because she would see that it's more than 3 flavors of bipolar but millions.... and we all work together and get that around here. Or so I think.

Okay, rant over... Sorry I'm in a mood today.

[Odee]

I'm really happy she pointed out judgement of others within the bipolar community. Whether is be that those taking 7 drugs are over medicated freaks or that those going med free have 'less severe' of a disorder are big ones I see thrown around. It seems that we should have learned enough through our struggles that there are so many ways out their to struggle that wouldn't make sense to others.

Wonder if she had any article specifically about that topic?

[Clinte89]

I thought it was an interesting article not saying I agree with it all, however disagree with the drama idea I thought it read well and that she just still has trouble with it. We all have trouble with it but you get what I mean.

[venusss]

I read her blogs and she comes of condescending often. With "that's all" and "oh, yes" and simmilar figures of speech.

And what bothers me about her that the medical model she's pushing so hard is obviously failing her. And yet, instead of thinking outside of the box, she presents it as SHE is so defective, meds, ETCs and some weird underskin stimulators fail her. It seems as harmful attitude... and to advocate it... eh, do not like.

Clinte, it's nothing against you... I just don't really agree with premise and especially the conclusion.

[faerie_moon_x]

Reading it actually made me a little angry, like she's trying to justify that she has to take medicine and not go to work vs. someone who doesn't need that much medicine and can. It's like... you know, it's okay to just be who you are without building a box around yourself.

[Clinte89]

I agree a little with dark heart but I had no intention of pissing anyone off. Sorry guys/gals

[faerie_moon_x]

I'm not pissed off, it just was a bit irritating. And it's not you, Clint. No way. I get what she is getting at, but I also just feel like she's waving her finger at us.

[Clinte89]

Eh it's all how you look at it I just see it as one persons opinion and people's opinions interest me.

[hamster-bamster]

I did not get what she is trying to say. She is trying to categorize us, but for what purposes? I did not get that. But I did not read too closely either, I just scanned it.

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by Clinte89

Eh it's all how you look at it I just see it as one persons opinion and people's opinions interest me.

You have just jumped over your 1Kth post.

[Clinte89]

Oh I have hooray I can't see it on my phone. What a milestone. I suppose it means I bother everyone here enough

[venusss]

Yeah, Clint, the problem is not you.

I been following this blogger for some time... she spends quite some time ranting about anti-psychiatry (and is full of wrong conclusions about it). So this article fits into her pattern.

[Confusedinomicon]

The article bothered me too. It's like she's saying that your illness is not significant if you're on less medication/unmediated and functioning???

I don't think categorizing it like this is beneficial to anyone. It narrows peoples perspectives and can breed helplessness. :|

[Moodmuse]

Emailed it to myself. Maybe it'll help others understand a little

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[Lauru]

Would that it were that some people in our society not feel the need to categorize people at all. We are all different, unique and wonderful beings regardless of what if any illnesses we have, where we live, what we do, etc. ad infinitum... While anyone in pain is not good, there are so many different reasons for pain, reactions to pain, and ways to relieve pain. I wish everyone have less pain and find what works for them, whatever that may be. I guess I just don't like neat little boxes. I never have the right size box for the matter at hand it seems and it is never neat. lol.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Confusedinomicon

The article bothered me too. It's like she's saying that your illness is not significant if you're on less medication/unmediated and functioning???

I don't think categorizing it like this is beneficial to anyone. It narrows peoples perspectives and can breed helplessness. :|

ah, learned helplessness.

What bothers me about cathegorizing like this is lack of acknowledgment "maybe to some people their drugs are screwing up with them". (as much as Anatomy of Epidemics or Generation RX may have their own bias... it should be considered). Seriously, if you tried many conventional treatments and there's no progress... isn't that time to look for the answers outside of it? It kinda saddens me that people get literally screwed up by this thinking. Certainly doesn't make good case for psychiatry to say "all of these things did not work for me! Psychiatry is great!".

[Confusedinomicon]

I think emotionally healing has to occur before you really see any results.

[BlueInanna]

Yes, Venus! Learned helplessness, exactly. And when this phrase was coined, it was scientists doing experiments on dogs to prove that yes, beat someone down enough, and they lose their ability to find solutions. And it is scientifically proven!

Clinte, you're a dear and thank you for sharing the article. I finally read it last night. I see how people could relate to what she's saying about bp pain being misunderstood.

But after reading her first part, the 3 categories of bipolar people... (barf - sorry). This is total b.s. and I'm not in ANY of those categories. And this is scary because she's obviously reaching a lot of people, with misinformation. She speaks as if she's an authority on the subject, and she's not. She is just a writer with bp with her own opinions. So that worries me people reading it and from the responses, many treated it like a quiz, like oh i'm in the 2nd category, i'm in the 3rd category. And sorry but those 3 categories aren't a real thing, that's just how she sees it. She wants it to be that simple, she wants it to make sense - she doesn't say it like that though. I think she's misleading already vulnerable people and I don't like it.

(But I like you Clinte, please don't take personally. You've given us an interesting topic to discuss )

[hamster-bamster]

Originally Posted by BlueInanna

And sorry but those 3 categories aren't a real thing, that's just how she sees it.

Yes, completely vapid "categories".