[venusss]

So there's sticky with good resources, but what about the ones that make you wanna break into Intifida (or other type of messy and not so peaceful revolt)?

I will not drop names, but in general... there's things that make me angry.

1. Forced treatment proponents. Notice how most of these are not sufferers of the malady but families or some random jerks who wanna strip other's human rights in name of "helping them"? (sort Stalin of mental health).

Mommies, half crazy themselves, who like their children so much more if they are so zonked on APs that they can't do much else then sleep, eat and drool (we never hear what these, often adult, children have to say. I guess they are either not allowed to go in Internet and in public, or they simply are unable to make coherent statements anymore. Or are uninterested in it, just like they are uninterested in anything...).

Maybe some of them have big fat Pharma checks. Maybe others are really datdumb that they believe forcing treating people who "do not want" will help them.

They will call on your anosognosia and brain illnesses and have mouth full of "for your own good".

No point discussing with these. You are crazy, your brain is broken and if you argue, it's cause of anosogniosia.


2. Medical-model-only-take-yo-meds crowd. They will ignore your traumas and existential crises. They will ignore your parents might ever be wrong. They will flail and whine about "family blaming" and will talk about chemical imbalances. (some of the people overlap with first category). They will invalidate everything that doesn't agree with "up or change your meds". They may even sell you false hope you will like your life much more after the new med. Not because the med will give you strenght to change it. But because your life is right, but it's you who is wrong for hating it. Take yo meds and STFU.

3. Bloggers who litter their blogs with "I hate to break it to you (but you're wrong and I am right)", "oh, yes", "that's all", "I am brave and my illness is more real than yours, you are simply lucky for having achieved things", "you simply don't know real suffering if you don't agree with me" and such. They will brag about how many meds they take and how much side effects they have from them, but if a well-meaning commenter suggests that maybe this side effect is unacceptable and that they deserve better, they will throw a fit about how they "can't" do it otherwise. They just want to display their sufferings. Sadly, many tent to gravitate towards this style, cause suffering in group is much more fun. Where are the times when talking about illnesses and doctors and pills was domain of annoying old ladies with no lifes? YOU CAN DO IT TOO. But that's the only thing you can do, if you are bipolar.

4. Blogs so littered with Pharma (or other) commercials, that they pop up and freeze your computer despite having newest add-block installed.

5. Sites that plug-in their product and say little else.

more to come. This is probably core of what bugs me about MH blogs and sources.

[anneo59]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

So there's sticky with good resources, but what about the ones that make you wanna break into Intifida (or other type of messy and not so peaceful revolt)?

I will not drop names, but in general... there's things that make me angry.

1. Forced treatment proponents. Notice how most of these are not sufferers of the malady but families or some random jerks who wanna strip other's human rights in name of "helping them"? (sort Stalin of mental health).

Mommies, half crazy themselves, who like their children so much more if they are so zonked on APs that they can't do much else then sleep, eat and drool (we never hear what these, often adult, children have to say. I guess they are either not allowed to go in Internet and in public, or they simply are unable to make coherent statements anymore. Or are uninterested in it, just like they are uninterested in anything...).

Maybe some of them have big fat Pharma checks. Maybe others are really datdumb that they believe forcing treating people who "do not want" will help them.

They will call on your anosognosia and brain illnesses and have mouth full of "for your own good".

No point discussing with these. You are crazy, your brain is broken and if you argue, it's cause of anosogniosia.


2. Medical-model-only-take-yo-meds crowd. They will ignore your traumas and existential crises. They will ignore your parents might ever be wrong. They will flail and whine about "family blaming" and will talk about chemical imbalances. (some of the people overlap with first category). They will invalidate everything that doesn't agree with "up or change your meds". They may even sell you false hope you will like your life much more after the new med. Not because the med will give you strenght to change it. But because your life is right, but it's you who is wrong for hating it. Take yo meds and STFU.

3. Bloggers who litter their blogs with "I hate to break it to you (but you're wrong and I am right)", "oh, yes", "that's all", "I am brave and my illness is more real than yours, you are simply lucky for having achieved things", "you simply don't know real suffering if you don't agree with me" and such. They will brag about how many meds they take and how much side effects they have from them, but if a well-meaning commenter suggests that maybe this side effect is unacceptable and that they deserve better, they will throw a fit about how they "can't" do it otherwise. They just want to display their sufferings. Sadly, many tent to gravitate towards this style, cause suffering in group is much more fun. Where are the times when talking about illnesses and doctors and pills was domain of annoying old ladies with no lifes? YOU CAN DO IT TOO. But that's the only thing you can do, if you are bipolar.

4. Blogs so littered with Pharma (or other) commercials, that they pop up and freeze your computer despite having newest add-block installed.

5. Sites that plug-in their product and say little else.

more to come. This is probably core of what bugs me about MH blogs and sources.

Know what you mean, Venus. There's a lot of junk out there, so I'm always so glad to find something or someone helpful. I wish you the best!

[nbritton]

There is an excellent documentary which discusses the core problems with our health care system, it's available on Amazon Instant Video for 99 cents, and you can watch it for free if you have an Amazon Prime membership. It's worth the time to watch it.

Here is the link: Amazon.com: Escape Fire: The Fight To Rescue American Healthcare: Don Berwick, Shannon Brownlee, Wayne Jonas, Steven E. Nissen: Amazon Instant Video.

[Trippin2.0]

I don't like the doom and gloom preaching that's so rampant.

Sure, bipolar is no walk in the park, even on meds your life gets shifted upside down and inside out. But I find it counter productive to my mental health to ponder or moan about how ill I am and I find it down right depressing to hear about this being a life/death sentence, and that the only way to extend my expiry date is to be zombified into oblivion.

:rant:

Haha, ok I'll stop ranting and just to put things into perspective I'll ramble a bit more.

I did the whole "I'm sick my life is ruined thing." And It lead me to being more sick, more symptomatic.

Now I am in no way selling positive thoughts of the unicorns poop rainbowed coloured kittens variety.

But I will say this, I changed my perspective to a healthier one, one more condusive to my mental health.

I don't think of myself as one foot in the grave, life ruined. I think of myself like I did before dx, i.e. Wired differently. I respect my limitations and try my best not to regard them in a negative light, I mean everyone has limitations no matter how many "The sky is the limit" posters you read. I accept that I need to be hyper vigilant about managing stress, as it makes me physically ill ontop of the mental fallout I have to deal with.
I FINALLY after (only) nearly 3years accept that I caanot work fulltime (medicated or not) as I inevitably reach burnout in a matter of months as opposed to years and that half day ( my plan for 2014 ) will probably be much better suited to my needs.

Perspective, has impacted my mental health greatly, having a doom and gloom one had me sick all the time and having a more hopeful one has given me a sense of power and thus a better quality of life.

[BlueInanna]

Bugs me all the med ads on this site. I'm kinda paranoid about it. :/
And American tv wtf - idk if you have that type there - but ads everywhere for meds. Big pharma makes so much money to be able to afford those ads. Magazines too.
Forced treatment is inhumane. But some poor mom who's maybe more than half crazy , maybe doesnt know she is, doesn't know what to do when kids trying to kill themselves and trying to get help and they call in the county and the cps and the cops, everyone barging into her home. Telling her what to do and she's scared shitless and has no support and doesn't know what to do.
Just sayin sometimes people are doing their best even if it doesn't look like it. There's not enough options offered out there. Idk what I could've done different, cuz i started out with zero info at the time things went bad, but it haunts me, my mind loops on it. Just wanted my kids to be ok. I think I could do better now with so much experience, but there's no going back in time.
Thanks risperdal for making my son grow a left breast & treating a 12 yr old like a guinea pig & make me feel an unfit parent if I don't follow doctors orders. It took 3 years but now it's going away & he is comfortable to take his shirt off now...
Rambling & don't need to start crying right now. Past is done. I now know some things not to do. I can share my experiences but still many aren't open to it. They're called main stream & alternative for a reason right.

[venusss]

Forced treatment is inhumane. But some poor mom who's maybe more than half crazy , maybe doesnt know she is, doesn't know what to do when kids trying to kill themselves and trying to get help and they call in the county and the cps and the cops, everyone barging into her home. Telling her what to do and she's scared shitless and has no support and doesn't know what to do.

I do not know. Some look so calculated and cold. Like that woman who called her son "next Adam Lanza" on the internet (and put his picture to it). Or those who make living of "my daughter is crazy, I write books about it and make speeches". And they refuse to hear the other side. Refuse to hear maybe their "loved ones" don't like being zonked out of their minds.

I accept human helplessness when helping others. I felt it. But for some I feel little sympathy.

I promised not to drop names, but eh Susan Inman

there's lots diagreeable about her, especially the way she's against freedom of speech and information, cause God forbid somebody went off their meds.

[Trippin2.0]

Originally Posted by BlueInanna

Bugs me all the med ads on this site. I'm kinda paranoid about it. :/
And American tv wtf - idk if you have that type there - but ads everywhere for meds. Big pharma makes so much money to be able to afford those ads. Magazines too.
Forced treatment is inhumane. But some poor mom who's maybe more than half crazy , maybe doesnt know she is, doesn't know what to do when kids trying to kill themselves and trying to get help and they call in the county and the cps and the cops, everyone barging into her home. Telling her what to do and she's scared shitless and has no support and doesn't know what to do.
Just sayin sometimes people are doing their best even if it doesn't look like it. There's not enough options offered out there. Idk what I could've done different, cuz i started out with zero info at the time things went bad, but it haunts me, my mind loops on it. Just wanted my kids to be ok. I think I could do better now with so much experience, but there's no going back in time.
Thanks risperdal for making my son grow a left breast & treating a 12 yr old like a guinea pig & make me feel an unfit parent if I don't follow doctors orders. It took 3 years but now it's going away & he is comfortable to take his shirt off now...
Rambling & don't need to start crying right now. Past is done. I now know some things not to do. I can share my experiences but still many aren't open to it. They're called main stream & alternative for a reason right.

Awwww honey ((((((((Blue)))))))) I'm sure Venus was not trying to put you in the spotlight. We were all here with you when things went south with junior. We saw how torn you were, how terrified you were, and then how guilty you felt. What YOU did, wasn't inhumane, you sought out treatment for your son who was putting himself and the rest of you in grave danger.

On the forced treatment note, there's plenty moms (some of whom I've read about here) who send the kids to the psych ward so they can have a vacation. Kids who probably just needed some love and attention and ended up needing serious help after being traumatized.

You don't fall into the inhumane forced treatment catagory

Love you sis

[BlueInanna]

I didn't take it as me - no... I don't know about the news much & Susan Inman lady, I'll read up. And I never heard of parent sending kid to psych ward for a vacation, that's so sad & horrible.
But from personal 1st hand experience, authority figures - teachers, doctors, counselors - told me to do tough love & call police & all that. The tough love was against my nature & caused more inconsistency parenting. They should have told me there are other ways. I want other p's to know there are other ways. I have been lied to by schools when trying to get him special ed help anything, yea I'm still really mad about it. And they scared me by threatening to take my youngest if I didn't comply. I can't think of much what they did was helpful - except the court ordered rehab for meth - he's been off it, but he's self medicating other ways. My way - since he hasn't been sleeping - I asked if he'd like my help, does he want a pdoc, or Accupuncture or anything, but he said no. He has to figure this out what works for him. We're still court ordered for him to go to a pdoc & take meds, not compliant, hope they take us off their books some day.
**** I'm rambling again. Actually a hug from Venus lol thx!

[Jcon614]

Originally Posted by Trippin2.0

I don't like the doom and gloom preaching that's so rampant.

Sure, bipolar is no walk in the park, even on meds your life gets shifted upside down and inside out. But I find it counter productive to my mental health to ponder or moan about how ill I am and I find it down right depressing to hear about this being a life/death sentence, and that the only way to extend my expiry date is to be zombified into oblivion.

:rant:

Haha, ok I'll stop ranting and just to put things into perspective I'll ramble a bit more.

I did the whole "I'm sick my life is ruined thing." And It lead me to being more sick, more symptomatic.

Now I am in no way selling positive thoughts of the unicorns poop rainbowed coloured kittens variety.

But I will say this, I changed my perspective to a healthier one, one more condusive to my mental health.

I don't think of myself as one foot in the grave, life ruined. I think of myself like I did before dx, i.e. Wired differently. I respect my limitations and try my best not to regard them in a negative light, I mean everyone has limitations no matter how many "The sky is the limit" posters you read. I accept that I need to be hyper vigilant about managing stress, as it makes me physically ill ontop of the mental fallout I have to deal with.
I FINALLY after (only) nearly 3years accept that I caanot work fulltime (medicated or not) as I inevitably reach burnout in a matter of months as opposed to years and that half day ( my plan for 2014 ) will probably be much better suited to my needs.

Perspective, has impacted my mental health greatly, having a doom and gloom one had me sick all the time and havping a more hopeful one has given me a sense of power and thus a better quality of life.

I love your thoughts Trippin. Thank you

[Trippin2.0]

Originally Posted by BlueInanna

I didn't take it as me - no... I don't know about the news much & Susan Inman lady, I'll read up. And I never heard of parent sending kid to psych ward for a vacation, that's so sad & horrible.
But from personal 1st hand experience, authority figures - teachers, doctors, counselors - told me to do tough love & call police & all that. The tough love was against my nature & caused more inconsistency parenting. They should have told me there are other ways. I want other p's to know there are other ways. I have been lied to by schools when trying to get him special ed help anything, yea I'm still really mad about it. And they scared me by threatening to take my youngest if I didn't comply. I can't think of much what they did was helpful - except the court ordered rehab for meth - he's been off it, but he's self medicating other ways. My way - since he hasn't been sleeping - I asked if he'd like my help, does he want a pdoc, or Accupuncture or anything, but he said no. He has to figure this out what works for him. We're still court ordered for him to go to a pdoc & take meds, not compliant, hope they take us off their books some day.
**** I'm rambling again. Actually a hug from Venus lol thx!

Wowwww, a hug from Veeenus? I feel like a 2D cartoon character with stars for eyes!

I'm sure he will find his path one of these days. It does take some time as we know.

FWIW, I would be angry too, you guys were cornered, threatened and grossly misinformed.

[Anika.]

Blue, it is an abuse of the system. It's not abuse through you. One day like days before we just call it what it is...abuse. And hopefully no longer tolerate it in our "civilized" society. You are right it is traumatizing. And the targets are pretty vulnerable.

If I could file laws suits in my case, I would. Who to file at?? That is the question, but I would if only I knew that it would help change anything. Living with permanent "brain pain" from ap's, or was it the crazy concoction maybe. What I do know is the mental health model damaged my being, soul,and body, in the name of "rightness". It's criminal, and I hope
your children will rise above these challenges.

[BlueInanna]

I'd be well within my rights to sue the school board... They broke laws not testing within the time, unqualified superintendant telling me that my son does not have bp... 10 hospitalizations later...! and then theres the hospital where a 17 yr old boy molested him when he was 14.... then theres the ER that forced me to send him to same hospital again when im in tears telling them its not safe & i found a bed in better hospital. But they know I'm not organized enough. It's all such a mess my poor kid. He's 8 not 18 wtf happened...

On topic of (I forget the word in OP agonytopia? Lol..) "not knowing you're ill". That's the b.s. "education" materials & message of current campaign they're trying to get out about why people with MI stop taking their pills. That's what they come up with to educate people & families? Guess they think we're all that dumb & seems they'd like to keep it that way.

I don't know what I'd feel the "right" message is to get out there, but not that. It needs more thought & is so much more to it than that.

They're saying they want families to know how bad it can really get... And yes it can. But forcing pills can't always be the answer.

Best advice to me came from a book The Tao of Parenting (from evil ex mother in law, but thanks for that book). It can be applied to every area of life. Learning to be the center calm in the eye of the storm, while your children or whoever might hurricane around you, they know you're there for them, to catch them when they fall. We used to feed off each others anger so much, less now. Keeping a calm home environment, trust, learning effective communication - that's more important for family to know & offer support than just feed them meds. IMHO. I personally do like some meds - but only when I've personal proof experience that it does something helpful for me - usually looking for something to help take the edge off when I get extreme depressed & irritable. And sleep is a big problem when trying to keep with school & work schedules. Moving away from the med circle, there is much more to be taught. And the negative info out there just makes me hide the family bp as much as possible, I can't afford sanity-wise for me or my kids to be any bp poster child. I feel safer going in a public anti-war protest.

[~Christina]

Hiya !

I am a bit " wordless" right now ... but .. I agree with all the above. Maybe my words will return soon and I can add something of importance.

Thank you Venus for this thread , Thank you very much !

[venusss]

agonytopia?

Ha, I am gonna used that word.

Blue's story touched me so I pressed the button. What does it say?

[BlueInanna]

Lol I like that word too. And thx for enlightening threads that make us consider many angles. Hugs back at ya sistah

[reesecups]

Frankly I am in agreement about meds and I definitely are against forced drugging quacks whom I won't mention (E. Fuller Torrey) who believe in forced drugging and such.