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Old Jun 23, 2015, 11:07 AM
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Someone I love seems to be experiencing frequent hypomania. This person is extremely intelligent and creative, and I get the impression that their hypomania symptoms are a bit of a boon for them. What worries me is that they are only getting a few hours of sleep per night most of the time. However they haven't mentioned any problems from the lack of sleep. Is that possible?

When I start slipping into an episode, that is often how it starts. I will only get sparse sleep here and there, but it quickly exacerbates all of my other symptoms. The sleep deprivation alone can start to cause trouble with thinking, mild psychosis and irritability which I channel inwards in an attempt to hold myself together and not cause trouble for others.

So when this person tells me that they are only getting a few hours of sleep per night, and they recently missed work because of it, but they don't seem to be experiencing any other issues, it makes me very skeptical. But I can't tell if I'm just projecting my own experiences onto the situation. Because I sure as hell would be rapidly heading for a bad episode after weeks of only a few hours of sleep per night.

They also described that it happens randomly and doesn't seem to be caused by anything, such as stress. They also described that their mind gets a lot of white noise, lots of thoughts at the same time that they can't really focus on. This sounds so similar to the beginning of an episode to me.

This is a person who is very close to me and whom I love dearly. I'm not sure if I should be worried and try to gently push them to get help, or if I am projecting and/or overreacting and need to step back and let it be.

Is it possible to only get a few hours of sleep per night for weeks on end without any issues? Again this person is very intelligent and so creative, and I can already relate to not wanting to give up certain hypomania effects because of how it can affect creativity and ideas and getting stuff done. If this person really isn't suffering from it at all, I wouldn't want to encourage them to medicate it away.
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Old Jun 23, 2015, 11:29 AM
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I think your questions answer falls under the heading of maybe maybe not. Bipolar is weird. I believe I have and clean and unproblematic hypomanias but also not. Everybody's Bipolar is different.

As for your worries about your friend....I don't know what the answer is. Hugs to you.

I don't know if I missed you saying this in your post but is this person Bipolar?
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Old Jun 23, 2015, 11:49 AM
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I think your questions answer falls under the heading of maybe maybe not. Bipolar is weird. I believe I have and clean and unproblematic hypomanias but also not. Everybody's Bipolar is different.

As for your worries about your friend....I don't know what the answer is. Hugs to you.

I don't know if I missed you saying this in your post but is this person Bipolar?
This person to my knowledge has never been diagnosed with any mental health problems, but then I don't think they have ever been to see a professional for it, either. They have always struck me as the sort of person who is very private and tries to be 'strong' by acting like they have no problems. So that is even more so why for them to be telling me this stuff makes me wonder if they are starting to really struggle. But I never know if it's right or wrong to try to push for someone to get help. I've always struggled with boundaries and knowing what is normal / not normal and feel unsure of myself in that regard. I don't want to be projecting or making them feel embarrassed or anything like that.

I remember a year when despite how intelligent they are, they started failing all of their college classes and lost their scholarship. I didn't pry for details because again this person tends to be rather private and I try to balance respecting that with caring about them. But it seemed like they went into a total depression. They expressed thinking they were doomed, wanting to give up on college completely, were convinced that their significant other was going to dump them for being a failure and like their life was over. I just tried to be supportive, bought us some beers to share and so we could hang out and just talk. But now I'm looking back and wondering if that was like a clinical depressive episode? And so are they describing hypomania now?

I'm just trying not to fly off the deep end or be melodramatic or invasive or pushy or anything like that. I am extremely protective of this person and don't want them to suffer. But I also want to respect their sovereignty and their right to make their own choices. I might be making a huge deal out of nothing. I don't know.
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Old Jun 23, 2015, 12:05 PM
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There is no way to know if this is "hypo" or your friend is just feeling great and enjoying life.

Its hard to not want to apply our " Bipolar" junk on to people that could "maybe" have something to manage like we do.

Everybody blows off work sometimes, Everyone needs a "mental health day" whether its a diagnosis or not.

Since you mention your friend is a private person well then your probably going to need to just sit back and have a "wait and see " approach. Sure you can voice your concern about the lack of sleep.

Just be a friend, I would certainly advise you against sharing your concerns at this point, that could easily blow up in your face, People mostly don't wanna hear the word " Bipolar " from a Doctor let alone a "friend".
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Old Jun 23, 2015, 12:07 PM
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There is no way to know if this is "hypo" or your friend is just feeling great and enjoying life.

Its hard to not want to apply our " Bipolar" junk on to people that could "maybe" have something to manage like we do.

Everybody blows off work sometimes, Everyone needs a "mental health day" whether its a diagnosis or not.

Since you mention your friend is a private person well then your probably going to need to just sit back and have a "wait and see " approach. Sure you can voice your concern about the lack of sleep.

Just be a friend, I would certainly advise you against sharing your concerns at this point, that could easily blow up in your face, People mostly don't wanna hear the word " Bipolar " from a Doctor let alone a "friend".
Well too late for that, I already expressed my concern and mentioned my own diagnosis and how I experience similar stuff and thus why I am concerned. But you make a good point, I think I just needed to reality check. I will just let it go for now. Projection and being over-protective are quite the combo.
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Old Jun 23, 2015, 06:41 PM
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From my personal experience, yes.

But for how long, remains the question.

I went yearsssssssss with hypomanic episodes that were actually good for me. I was more productive, saw things optimistically, obtained career goals etc etc.

I'd say I had at least 10 years of "productive" hypomania.

Then, unfortunately, I had my first manic episode, changing the diagnosis to Bipolar 1.

So now I'm pretty much accepting of the fact that I choose to be on meds for life.
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Old Jun 23, 2015, 07:03 PM
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I had some happy hypomanic times in the few years between my first, ammmmmmmmazzzzzzzzzing summer of hypomania and the begining of knowing something was very, very wrong with me (dysphoric mania). And during those times a few times someone who either tease me or say that I acted hypomanic and I blew it off every time as just my personality, how I was handling stress, or even "just having fun with/for the kids at camp" where I was a counselor. There was no way I was going to hear that message until I was ready which was several years later and I had to realize that my moods were what was wrong with me.

There's nothing wrong with saying something in a carin way but unfortunately you probably won't be heard until the other person is ready. On the plus side you've shown willingness to talk and if they are bipolar they may someday really appreciate that openness.
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Old Jun 24, 2015, 04:42 AM
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Yes, its possible as this is a spectrum disorder.


I've always naturally need less sleep (4-5 hrs) so when I'm hypo I can live on 0-2 and be fully functional. I go to work and everything and it doesn't hinder me in the least.


This usually lasts a few weeks.


The hypomania I can't function nicely on is the aggravated dysphoric kind, but that very rarely happens, usually only when the cycle is lasting longer than usual... Thank God
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Old Jun 24, 2015, 09:57 AM
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Yes, its possible as this is a spectrum disorder.


I've always naturally need less sleep (4-5 hrs) so when I'm hypo I can live on 0-2 and be fully functional. I go to work and everything and it doesn't hinder me in the least.


This usually lasts a few weeks.


The hypomania I can't function nicely on is the aggravated dysphoric kind, but that very rarely happens, usually only when the cycle is lasting longer than usual... Thank God
Yeah I wasn't sure what exactly to say, and didn't want to come across in a melodramatic doom and gloom sort of way. So I concluded it with saying that if it doesn't cause them problems and gives them breaks enough then maybe no big deal. But I also added that if the intrusive, racing thoughts start to have darker themes then they should make sure to take it seriously. I told them I get dysphoric mania and that that's what I meant. I didn't elaborate anymore after that, though. I figure if they feel ready to research it then they will. I just tried to give them some jargon to pop into search engines.
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Old Jun 24, 2015, 10:05 AM
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Even if they are Bipolar and on a little buzzy track right now all you might really want to do is just be around, be their friend. Some people have full blown in the hospital episodes and still can't handle the word Bipolar. I don't think it is a bad thing that you opened it up. It is better coming from you than from someone not Bipolar. You opened that line of communication. Now back off in order to keep them from ceasing to be open to you. That's my 15 cents anyway.
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Old Jun 24, 2015, 10:18 AM
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Even if they are Bipolar and on a little buzzy track right now all you might really want to do is just be around, be their friend. Some people have full blown in the hospital episodes and still can't handle the word Bipolar. I don't think it is a bad thing that you opened it up. It is better coming from you than from someone not Bipolar. You opened that line of communication. Now back off in order to keep them from ceasing to be open to you. That's my 15 cents anyway.
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