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Old Mar 16, 2016, 04:39 PM
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We think differently, now: be different.

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Old Mar 16, 2016, 04:45 PM
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Statements like this kind of weird me out tbh. There's the myth of the eccentric genius and then there's the reality of the unpredictable guy who alienates people around him and makes rash, poorly thought out decisions that end up causing a lot of emotional (and sometimes physical) damage.

It's great to embrace who you are, but don't excuse poor decisions and harmful behavior because "that's just who I am."
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Old Mar 16, 2016, 04:49 PM
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Don't be normal, you won't fit in, be better than normal.

We think differently, now: be different.

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having read what you have written lately I believe (JMO) you are full blown manic . Be careful , your crash could be just around the corner .
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Old Mar 16, 2016, 05:01 PM
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having read what you have written lately I believe (JMO) you are full blown manic . Be careful , your crash could be just around the corner .
I really am not. But thanks for your concern, really.

It's just the schizo part I guess (SZA/BP): I really am very different (always).

I wouldn't have short reactive depressive emotions as I had recently, if I were manic. I have no excess energy.

I am sorry: this is me.
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Old Mar 16, 2016, 05:05 PM
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Commercial with Richard Dreyfuss (BP)
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I'd rather be a jerk than be suffering from BP or SZ.

It's coming back to me now with my stability. Not ideal, but I'll take it. Gladly.
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Old Mar 16, 2016, 05:09 PM
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having read what you have written lately I believe (JMO) you are full blown manic . Be careful , your crash could be just around the corner .
C'mon, Icares postings are at least entertaiming and interesting.

Please, don't act as the forum shrink. We are all responsible for ourselves.
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Old Mar 16, 2016, 05:24 PM
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"He has a different operating system. So mere mortals cannot understand him. (...) It would be like telling a fish how to understand how a bird feels flying. It cannot be!" -- Guy Kawasaki on Steve Jobs.

Sound right? Does to me.
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Old Mar 16, 2016, 05:30 PM
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Now I am gonna take my schizophrenia-indicated dose of antipsychotic to feel "normal" again tomorrow.
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What is normal? Obsessing about Kardashians and voting for Trump?
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What is normal? Obsessing about Kardashians and voting for Trump?
Sounds perfectly normal to me.

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Sometimes I think that, in some ways, I've been lucky to have experienced mania. To have eaten that orange that was the best orange in the universe. What a feeling!!

I also think that feeling depression has given me a gift of compassion. I know and understand the darkness and can relate to those who feel it too
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Old Mar 17, 2016, 05:04 AM
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Statements like this kind of weird me out tbh. There's the myth of the eccentric genius and then there's the reality of the unpredictable guy who alienates people around him and makes rash, poorly thought out decisions that end up causing a lot of emotional (and sometimes physical) damage.

It's great to embrace who you are, but don't excuse poor decisions and harmful behavior because "that's just who I am."
Sometimes really controlling something is not trying too hard and not fearing any loss of control. It just goes wrong when you get afraid of, or excited/challenged by, the world around you.

People that you might alienate clearly don't know you. If they turn their backs on you, you backed the wrong horse and you can now focus more on actual friends. Even if it leaves you with no-one to be yourself around, in good and bad times, I'd say that's preferable.

Insofar as SZ is a lifestyle (it partly is, in many ways, many times: a personal choice (only) equipped to deal with incessancy and severity of psychotic problems), I take the good parts from that (no longer feeling you have to achieve in the eyes of others) and balance it with the fervour and drive of BP. I take the relative ease of letting go of control a bit that comes with a BP personality "disorder". If you're more flexible (relatively speaking), you will break less often. Borderline is preferable to being in the middle of the war zone and it can be a big relief. ***** anyone else. All in moderation.
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Sometimes really controlling something is not trying too hard and not fearing any loss of control. It just goes wrong when you get afraid of, or excited/challenged by, the world around you.

People that you might alienate clearly don't know you. If they turn their backs on you, you backed the wrong horse and you can now focus more on actual friends. Even if it leaves you with no-one to be yourself around, in good and bad times, I'd say that's preferable.

Insofar as SZ is a lifestyle (it partly is, in many ways, many times: a personal choice (only) equipped to deal with incessancy and severity of psychotic problems), I take the good parts from that (no longer feeling you have to achieve in the eyes of others) and balance it with the fervour and drive of BP. I take the relative ease of letting go of control a bit that comes with a BP personality "disorder". If you're more flexible (relatively speaking), you will break less often. Borderline is preferable to being in the middle of the war zone and it can be a big relief. ***** anyone else. All in moderation.
We're you drunk while you wrote this or are you just rambling because you're having an episode? I understood like 30% of what you were trying to explain.

to suggest that the only reason that people get alienated is because they don't "know you well enough" is ridiculous. People also get alienated when they start to know a person TOO well and begin noticing character flaws, abnormal behavior, or other things that make the relationship uncomfortable. Socialization is extremely important for humans and to suggest that being alone and being "yourself" is preferable to having friendships and being required to act appropriately is absurd.

How is SZ a lifestyle? And BP is a mood disorder, not a personality disorder...
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Old Mar 17, 2016, 10:18 AM
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I think there needs to be a balance between being sociably acceptable and being yourself.

Sure, I could be a sweet goodie two shoes, but then people would love somebody that is not me.

On the other side, I need tone it down a bit at times. Nobody needs to see all of me.
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Some socialization can be quite dumb and time consuming. I believe that people can get alienated for so many reasons. How about quiet ones that can't fit in? I think everyone has their own ways to blend in and mingle, a lot of times, it's preferable to be left alone for me anyways. It could be just age thing.

Borderline is a personality disorder, right? Does it come with detachment of feelings? Or is it a SPD? There are too many of those that I don't know... It'd be great to be cool, calm and collected in the middle of the war zone and go help someone who are shocked or injured.

I just wanted to say that I understood almost 100% of post #12. And it is mood related, oh yes.

I'd like to see all of everyone.
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Old Mar 17, 2016, 07:22 PM
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Keegan, if I meant BP I would have said so. I see some BPD as a BP personality. I used quotation marks for disorder because it can be a benefit to develop such a personality when the alternative would be to keep it all in and develop serious, chronic problems. You'd be lucky then if people thought you were drunk or having an episode. The borderline can be an escape. Like escaping the US for some more hospitable place, where people are more accepting of differences regardless whether you are having an certified "mental illness" episode.

Let's assume I was drunk, or having an episode, if it makes you feel any better. Or just ignore it. I didn't want to offend. Just me being me. If that is delusional, it would be one very long episode indeed. Could be. I still prefer to say what I think. I do my best to make it intelligible. Otherwise, I'd rather you just pretend to understand and nod. Again, I don't try to offend. Hate to see how that little you did understand is so offensive or reason for ad hominem remarks. I really do.

If I can only be excused when having a BP episode—not taking into account having to make a living, purely social acceptability taken into account, I'd want one right now. Seriously.

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If the only other option would be isolation, I would do so. And yes, that would be a lifestyle choice. Chronic mild "insanity" is less sexy than just occasionally having to be excused for an episode, not much tainting your social standing, or you wouldn't attack those with problems similar but maybe more severe than yours.

Those wanting to distance themselves from others in minority, disadvantaged groups really make me furious. I would personally want to isolate them from any human contact ever (or trust they'll acquire more insight).
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Old Mar 17, 2016, 07:48 PM
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Land of the effing brave. Yeah, right! Free of the brave: those brave enough must've jumped ship.

(sorry, this is just a rant. I really love most of you, but your view of things is, more or less, twisted. Not your fault really, I guess. But no/less stigma? Come on!)

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My view of the world is also twisted, obviously. But I prefer to do my own designs.

Home of the brave. My bad.
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