[Icare dixit]

I just thought about this reading posts in another thread. I hope it is not triggering. My judgement might be a bit impaired at the moment so please tell me if it is.

Just better to be safe than sorry:

Possible trigger:

Do you think making attempted suicide illegal (again) could in any way be a deterrent to overdosing?

Now I've begun to think about it, I can imagine it might be. Both impulsive overdosing and thought-out (never well, long enough and from every angle!) attempts.

Wouldn't either a fine which may leave those you leave behind with a considerable debts or a long prison sentence if your attempt fails might give you (maybe just that necessary extra) pause for thought. Nothing in the sense of having the deal with a stricter psychiatric regimen or anything: that might only make you build in extra certainty or make you try it again.

All small things taken together may just help to the extreme: life or dead.

A counterargument may be that prison may seem preferable in some situations.

That and the loom of a stricter psychiatric regimen may mean that it is best to not give any psychiatric care in prison. Can be drastic, but if it helps, shouldn't we do it?

I could of course be very wrong. But the delicacy of the issue shouldn't deter us from finding ways make suicides a thing of the past. Just bought some stuff from a widow whose husband was bipolar, she feeling it was the right thing to give it to somebody else with bipolar, which I find appropriate, kinda beautiful, as well, but it is really something not to romanticise.

Making it illegal might help to prevent it from ever seeming that way. Other considerations aside.

I would prefer it if I won't be chastised for my stupidity if that's what it is. Just—respectfully—say I might be bonkers. I really try not to be in any way inconsiderate and to be respectful. Sometimes I might lash out when treated with disrespect and other people might get hurt. I am very sorry for any such incidents.

It's just a thought.

Edit:

Possible trigger:

A major flaw I overlooked is that one might wait too long calling for ambulance which one would otherwise've called for. So that one is probably not going to work.

Leaves the illegality of suicides, having to pay a very high fine which may be inherited or something like that. Any thoughts?

[NoIdeaWhatToDo]

Interesting thought. If there were threat of arrest/jail time, I would make damn sure I succeeded - I've always thought about it in that way, anyway, though. It's a final act, and not one I would want to attempt unsuccessfully.

On the other hand, I am intrigued by the idea of fining your 'estate' - so to speak - if you were 'successful' in your attempt. One of the things that keeps me from acting on my impulses is the thought of my kids having to deal with it. I've spent time figuring how many years until I don't have to worry about that screwing up their education, etc. If there were a serious financial repercussion to my kids or husband as a result of that act, it would probably actually deter me even more. The challenge there, of course, is that it would make me feel even more powerless, even more like I'm required to act and behave in a way that serves others, regardless of how painful that is to me.

I might not be the best barometer for realistic responses to this type of proposition, at least from the point of view of society.

Possible trigger:

I'm not honestly certain why people are so hell bent on making sure others live as long as possible in all scenarios. Death comes to us all in the end, right?

I'm not opposed to palliative care for terminally patients. I think they should be allowed to choose the time and manner of their leaving in a way that brings them the most peace. If you expand that to consider that life, itself, is a terminal condition, why do we balk at the idea of affording people the same sort of comforting care?

[pirilin]

From my days as an insurance rep, I remember the Co. not paying for sui (I like that sui thing) for the 1st two years of the policy being in force. After that, you could go to the main office, call the president and sui in front of him.

[Nammu]

For myself...whether or not it was legal(which is isn't in my state) was never part of the equation. After a number of serious attempts the fine was a commitment, no need to monetarily fine people instead they just lock you in a hospital, take away your freedom and make it harder to die...I didn't get real treatment(I had both BP and c-PTSD which needed a therapy based treatment) so that actually made things much worse and my desire to die increased.

[Icare dixit]

Originally Posted by pirilin

From my days as an insurance rep, I remember the Co. not paying for sui (I like that sui thing) for the 1st two years of the policy being in force. After that, you could go to the main office, call the president and sui in front of him.

Lol.

NoIdeaWhatToDo, that is a good point about (rephrased) being powerless against the big bad world that doesn't want you, hurts you and to top it off is going to hurt your loved-ones.

I think it would still be more of a net deterrent, that also taken into account. But interesting. May also be quite different for different people.

[Icare dixit]

Originally Posted by Nammu

For myself...whether or not it was legal(which is isn't in my state) was never part of the equation. After a number of serious attempts the fine was a commitment, no need to monetarily fine people instead they just lock you in a hospital, take away your freedom and make it harder to die...I didn't get real treatment(I had both BP and c-PTSD which needed a therapy based treatment) so that actually made things much worse and my desire to die increased.

Yes, illegality of attempted suicide would in many ways be problematic. It might deter you but is it wise to go through with what you threatened people with, for the reason you said and also the "big, bad, suffocating, uncaring society" thing. You'd have to go through with it.