[jpb4815]

I am going to preface this by stating that I am hypo right now but not near mania. So this is an honest question, statement.

How many of you believe in the paranormal? I have the ability to control people with my mind. Kinda like Obi Wan and "these are not the droids you are looking for". I just give a little nudge with my mind and I can often get people to do things that they are unaware of. I don't often use this ability, it feels invasive, but sometimes when I am out in public I will make people do things. Some people are harder than others, people who are on downers are really hard to control, I am not as strong as the opiate and never win out. I have tried many times to make people I know stop using, but it does not work. Other people are easy, oddly enough upper management where I work is easy and they are supposed to be the smart ones.

Anyways I told my Pdoc this and she just wrote in her notebook, I told my T this and she told me that it is totally plausible that I can. She also gave me the speech about with great power comes great responsibility.

Can anybody else do anything similar, I feel like I have this ability due to my BP. Somehow my Brain is wired for this because of the disease and it is sort of a trade off.

[p00dlez]

Originally Posted by jpb4815

I am going to preface this by stating that I am hypo right now but not near mania. So this is an honest question, statement.

How many of you believe in the paranormal? I have the ability to control people with my mind. Kinda like Obi Wan and "these are not the droids you are looking for". I just give a little nudge with my mind and I can often get people to do things that they are unaware of. I don't often use this ability, it feels invasive, but sometimes when I am out in public I will make people do things. Some people are harder than others, people who are on downers are really hard to control, I am not as strong as the opiate and never win out. I have tried many times to make people I know stop using, but it does not work. Other people are easy, oddly enough upper management where I work is easy and they are supposed to be the smart ones.

Anyways I told my Pdoc this and she just wrote in her notebook, I told my T this and she told me that it is totally plausible that I can. She also gave me the speech about with great power comes great responsibility.

Can anybody else do anything similar, I feel like I have this ability due to my BP. Somehow my Brain is wired for this because of the disease and it is sort of a trade off.

jpd,

I am no expert here and please don't get upset with me but that sounds a lot like some sort of delusion. I could be wrong and you really do have the ability to control things with your mind but it really does sound like a delusion.

Don't feel bad I sometimes think there's something still in this house with me. Things like doors closing on their own and strange noises, I get to thinking things like what if that sound demon I saw while manic really was real and its really still in my house with me.

My husband always reassures me there's nothing in the house and its probably the cats closing the doors and to not worry about it. He's probably right, or at least I hope he's right.

I could be wrong about your situation, who knows, I don't know everything so maybe something like that is possible?

[jpb4815]

I don't take offense, I know that it sounds delusional. I have thought that it was, but it is so ever present in my life and I have proved to myself so many times that I think it is real. I absolutely believe in things paranormal, so for me it is not that much of a stretch. I know that to others it probably sounds weird.

[Aardwolf]

I wouldn't view it as mind control. We do all have the ability to influence people. This largely depends on how perceptive you are, and the other person's susceptibility to being influenced.

However, purely using your mind, and no other form of interaction does seem implausible to me.

[st0psign]

I was voted best in the class for my persuasive speech in my college public speaking. and I persuaded them to do something I don't even care about. imagine what I could do with passion behind what I'm saying.

[jpb4815]

I do these things without interaction, have been able to for a long time. I know it sounds delusional. I dont know I think that if anybody could have mental abilities it would be somebody with "MI". our brains are wired differently.

[mindwrench]

I know that I do have senses which are beyond what normal people have. I can see hidden motives, and agendas. I can decipher patterns, and attain knowledge through unconventional means. Having been in technical positions in the times I was working, I was very good at solving problems using more than meets the eye. I can feel people approaching me, even if I can't see or hear them until a few moments later when they appear or I hear them. Unfortunately I can also feel those peoples presence who watch where I can't see or hear them. There are various other things I think I can do or affect that are not normal.

I do believe there are those of us, who have special abilities or gifts. I also think that along with those special abilities, we have severe defects and many of those defects manifest as mental illness. Like to the extent we are enhanced in positive ways, we are equally flawed in negative ways. The greater power we are given, the more horrible our weaknesses will be. That is how it seems to me at least.

[Icare dixit]

I believe in mind control.

It's easiest to control yourself so you could say that controlling others would be indirect but it's still controlling others.

All such beliefs I developed from a young age. It's not unreasonable. It's just unreasonable when it conflicts with any basic assumptions you have about the mind and reality.

It only becomes a problem if it has a disproportionate importance in your life. That's what makes it delusional.

But it's much better than believing you are controlled by others or others can read your mind. I would say that's a logical next step. If you think you're better at it it's more manic and if you believe (some) others are better at it it's more incongruently (supposing mania is the norm) and fearfully psychotic.

If you tell others about it without being specifically asked about it I would say it's (at least) manic and maybe too manic (since it's so important to you that you divulge a secret you would probably otherwise keep). It's unlikely you fear being controlled or you probably wouldn't say anything at all.

Congruent delusions could become incongruent. So if it's of delusional importance, there might be a problem. Of course just delusions of grandeur can distract you from things which are (also) of (practical) importance.

But you can believe it and even make it part of your belief system and not be delusional.

Have you always had this belief?

[p00dlez]

Originally Posted by mindwrench

I know that I do have senses which are beyond what normal people have. I can see hidden motives, and agendas. I can decipher patterns, and attain knowledge through unconventional means. Having been in technical positions in the times I was working, I was very good at solving problems using more than meets the eye. I can feel people approaching me, even if I can't see or hear them until a few moments later when they appear or I hear them. Unfortunately I can also feel those peoples presence who watch where I can't see or hear them. There are various other things I think I can do or affect that are not normal.

I do believe there are those of us, who have special abilities or gifts. I also think that along with those special abilities, we have severe defects and many of those defects manifest as mental illness. Like to the extent we are enhanced in positive ways, we are equally flawed in negative ways. The greater power we are given, the more horrible our weaknesses will be. That is how it seems to me at least.

Wow I am kind of like this, maybe there's something to this? I am very good at thinking out of the box for things like problem solving. I don't even think I have a "box" for reference. I do think differently than other people. I always chalked it up to just being weird.

I am also very good at picking up on peoples motivations and I can tell right off the bat if a person is a good person to be around or a bad person who I want to avoid. I can also tell when someone don't like me without them saying a word. Its probably just picking up on nonverbal clues or something like that.

[Icare dixit]

But I think the assumption that BP is something absolute may cause one to believe that such powers are absolute or exceptional.

I think the assumption is wrong (and harmful). That's also (partly) why I don't believe BP should be described as an illness.

We might be exceptionally gifted, but everyone has the same gift.

[jpb4815]

Originally Posted by Icare dixit

I believe in mind control.

It's easiest to control yourself so you could say that controlling others would be indirect but it's still controlling others.

All such beliefs I developed from a young age. It's not unreasonable. It's just unreasonable when it conflicts with any basic assumptions you have about the mind and reality.

It only becomes a problem if it has a disproportionate importance in your life. That's what makes it delusional.

But it's much better than believing you are controlled by others or others can read your mind. I would say that's a logical next step. If you think you're better at it it's more manic and if you believe (some) others are better at it it's more incongruently (supposing mania is the norm) and fearfully psychotic.

If you tell others about it without being specifically asked about it I would say it's (at least) manic and maybe too manic (since it's so important to you that you divulge a secret you would probably otherwise keep). It's unlikely you fear being controlled or you probably wouldn't say anything at all.

Congruent delusions could become incongruent. So if it's of delusional importance, there might be a problem. Of course just delusions of grandeur can distract you from things which are (also) of (practical) importance.

But you can believe it and even make it part of your belief system and not be delusional.

Have you always had this belief?

I have known about this ability since my early 20's, I have always held a strong belief about the power of the mind and peoples ability to harness it. I also realize that this is an abnormal belief in what might be construed as a possible delusion. Posing the question here was really a question for the community regarding the possibility of expanded mental abilities amongst those of us classified as mentally ill.

[Icare dixit]

It's hard to judge how well you perform. At one point you are too manic and delusional to know what's real and what not, what's actually caused by you and whether that what you experience actually is.

That makes it difficult to improve your abilities, I'd say.