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Once again, only slept 4 hours last night. And I have music constantly playing in my head. Plus lately some weird (imaginative but I won't describe, might be a trigger for some) SI thoughts have been coming out of nowhere (not everyday but on some days since the hurricane struck Florida).
I don't see my psychiatrist until November but am going to try the Lithium Orotate in the meantime after reading this post: http://forums.psychcentral.com/depre...e-point-2.html (specifically the one from LucyG). Obviously, if it doesn't work, I am going to tell my psychiatrist. And maybe talking to my therapist about it later this month will help. And its nice that I can post about it here. I've had SI periodically since HS and never told anyone until I was 48 years old. |
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Make sure you tell your pdoc about any supplements you're taking. Some of them can interact with other medications. But good luck, I hope it works for you!
__________________ Of course it is happening inside your head. But why on earth should that mean that it is not real? -Albus Dumbledore That’s life. If nothing else, that is life. It’s real. Sometimes it f—-ing hurts. But it’s sort of all we have. -Garden State |
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Keep in mind that the way you measure it is in the elemental amount available to the body, not the actual mg of the tablet. What I mean by this is that most tablets have about 5 mg of elemental lithium orotate that is available but comes in a tablet of 120 mg. From what I've read in studying this and what my naturopath told me, it's the elemental amount that you go by so if I want to take my normal 20 mg of lithium orotate a day, I take 4 120 mg tablets. It's a bit confusing, but keep this in mind lest you come across articles saying that more than about 150 mg of lithium is dangerous. In this case it's elemental lithium [the 5 mg in the tablets] that is being referred to. When my naturopath put me on this, he told me people feel it within a half hour. I can be wound up at night and not sleeping, and if I take a couple of extra tablets, I do get some sleep whereas before I was on it, I didn't. I've done well on the NCI Advanced Research branch. Amazon has it as low as $15.50 for a bottle of 200 which is $1 lower than I paid for some two weeks ago. Here's a good article on the health benefits of lithium orotate by Dr. Edward Group, founder of The Global Healing Center. His nascent iodine is fabulous, and since I started taking it, I haven't developed my yearly SAD due to the low light here in the Pacific Northwest. My mood has been wonderful without being hypomanic, and I think it's because my thyroid is functioning better than it has in years which is indicated by the fact that my white hair around the front of my face is turning back to a storm cloud gray. I started graying at 21 due to other health issues so this is huge. The Health Benefits of Lithium Orotate Here's a video about the nascent iodine by Dr. Group: __________________ No army can stop an idea whose time has come. |
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![]() This morning I purchased Weyland: Lithium Orotate - 10mg of Elemental Lithium (as Lithium Orotate) per Vegetarian Capsule. I ordered 3 Bottles (180 capsules for $49.95. Plan to try taking one every evening. If it works, it would be cheaper the the PDoc and prescriptions route because I pay out of pocket for these things. I won't get it until later this week. I will let everyone know how it goes. ![]() |
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Lucy, would this be beneficial to use as a supplement to regular psych meds?
Like I don't think that my meds are working the best for me. I would like to try adding in the lithium orotate to see if my moods can be better stabilized. I don't want to add any more prescribed psych meds. thanks bizi __________________ lamictal 2x a day haldol 2x a day cogentin 2x a day klonipin , 1mg at night, fish oil coq10 multi vit,, vit c, at noon, tumeric, caffeine Remeron at night, zyprexa, requip2-4mg |
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From my research, you can take up to 40 mg of elemental lithium a day. The lithium I take has 4.5 mg of elemental lithium in a 120 mg tablet so to get up to that I can take up to 8 day which I've do if I'm wound up. I find that 18 mg of elemental lithium [4 tablets] a day keeps me stable. Years ago before I knew I had bipolar I came across a supplement at the health food store that had lithium in it, and I can remember how wonderful I felt on it. It's funny how that sticks out in my mind as clear as day. I don't remember why I bought the supplement or what it was for, just that it had lithium in it, and I felt wonderful on it. __________________ No army can stop an idea whose time has come. |
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Thank you lucy,
I am 5'7" and weigh 160 pounds. Do you take them at night or in the morning? Does my increased weight be a factor? How long did it take for you to see a difference? how long have you been stable? Any side effects? bizi see my new thread.... thanks again __________________ lamictal 2x a day haldol 2x a day cogentin 2x a day klonipin , 1mg at night, fish oil coq10 multi vit,, vit c, at noon, tumeric, caffeine Remeron at night, zyprexa, requip2-4mg |
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I noticed how much more stable I was within probably a week or so after going on the lithium orotate. Before that I had been just using the amino acid GABA and was also taking the herb ashwagandha for energy that was bumping me into a sub-hypomania. My naturopath told me to stop taking that, and put me on the lithium orotate, and it's been amazing how it keeps me from flipping into hypomania at the drop of a hat like I used to. If I get wound up or can't sleep, I'll take a couple extra and usually get to sleep by 3 or 4 a.m. Since everyone's body is so different, start with one and see how you feel. Give it a few days and go from there. Here are a couple of article on lithium orotate by Dr. Edward Group of the Global Healing Center in Houston. He's a top naturopath who develops a lot of supplements. In one article he mentions lithium levels. My naturopath never said anything about that, but I should mention that he also told me that he believed my body couldn't hold on to nutrients and probably toxins so maybe it wasn't an issue for me, but is for others. Be sure and do your own research. Like I said, I've done incredibly well on it, and keep my dose within the bounds of what I was told and researched. The Health Benefits of Lithium Orotate Lithium Side Effects: What You Need to Know to Protect Yourself __________________ No army can stop an idea whose time has come. |
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Here's another article by Dr. Group on the 7 benefits of lithium. It's very interesting as it mentions such things as OCD.
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Here's another interesting article about using lithium orotate to treat bipolar. It discusses an old controversy from a study in 1979 that it sounds like is used to say how dangerous lithium orotate is. There are links to a bunch of other article on lithium orotate at the bottom of the page along with a lot of comments.
This is the brand I use. I buy it on Amazon, and noticed that's down to $15.50 for a bottle of 200. Natural Treatment for Bipolar Disorder and Alzheimer's Ignored! - Natural Health Blog | Holistic Health Blog __________________ No army can stop an idea whose time has come. |
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![]() I am actually planning to drop taking my nightly 300 mg Gabapentin in conjunction with taking the Lithium Orotate (It is obvious to me that it is the type of medication where that you develop tolerance to it over time forcing you to take more and more of it. I think that's a warning sign that it's not good for me). If I can do that, I am going to drop my psychiatrist appointment in November and go to my primary care doctor to consult with her about my medications (including the Lithium Orotate). I have found my therapist and primary care doc to be more supportive than my psychiatrist (won't go into all the reasons here). |
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What is the difference between lithium orotate and the normal lithium being prescribed?? Is it a different type of lithium or the same one but self administered ?
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I just ordered lithium orotate from amazon...it should be here in 1`-2 weeks.
Lithium Orotate 200 Tabs by Advanced Research/Nutrient Carriers bizi __________________ lamictal 2x a day haldol 2x a day cogentin 2x a day klonipin , 1mg at night, fish oil coq10 multi vit,, vit c, at noon, tumeric, caffeine Remeron at night, zyprexa, requip2-4mg |
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Lithium carbonate is a drug, and from what I've read, it's very difficult for the body to readily absorb so you have to take massive doses of it that are borderline toxic. This is why it causes symptoms like hand tremors, acne and dermatitis, memory loss to mention a few of what I experienced while on lithium carbonate. Keep in mind also that Big Pharma would go out of business if they couldn't take and tweak something as basic as lithium, and sell it back to us at exorbitant prices. They don't want people realizing that a lot of their health issues can be controlled with nutrients they can buy at health food stores. Imagine how many people would be unemployed if those of us with bipolar didn't need to see a Pdoc to get a prescription for for meds, but just ordered things like lithium orotate from Amazon.com for less than $20 for 200 tablets? There's a whole industry built around keeping people sick... Natural Treatment for Bipolar Disorder and Alzheimer's Ignored! - Natural Health Blog | Holistic Health Blog __________________ No army can stop an idea whose time has come. |
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I'm sorry you are still having SI. That can not feel good. Are you staying in contact with your doctor and discussing your new alternative treatment, symptoms and SI?
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![]() We are both currently unemployed and without insurance. It is OK, we do have savings and I will have more work between March 1 and July 1. I figure I will go back to docs before I start work because I do need to sleep better in order to do that job well. We can last until March if I am careful with $ and H may find a job before then. This will not be the first time that I've cut corners concerning health matters in favor of nutritious food, electric bill, etc. I am just concentrating on the present moment rather than worrying about the future. Worrying about the future was a huge factor when I attempted in April 2015. But really, don't worry. I feel like I am managing my mental issues OK. When I made my attempt I was extremely clueless. Totally uneducated about my mental illness. Now I am very mindful of my mental state and scared of attempting so I don't think I'll get that bad again. Thanks for caring. ![]() ![]() |
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