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Default Aug 04, 2022 at 01:31 PM
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I hardly got out of bed yesterday. Been staying in bed so far today except to put some music on and type this then it's back to laying down because it hurts less.
Sounds like the depression is kicking in @MuddyBoots. At least I assume you're talking about emotional pain...which is often the worst kind. I hope you're not resorting to opioids to deaden the pain. Feel better...
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I went out again this morning. No paranoia or anxiety. My doctor said it takes a couple weeks for the prestiq to take its full effect so it seems to be working pretty well. My moods have been fine today. I did go back to the full dose of my stomach med which has been helping a lot as well. My sister got her c section date scheduled for the middle of October. So my nephews will be staying with us for about 5 days. I am excited. October has always been my favorite month since I was a kid but its been a pretty significant month recently since I had my top surgery in October 2020 and my hystrectomy last October and my first nephew was born in October and now my 3rd niece or nephew will be born in October too.

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Mine were all medication induced. There were years where I was so over medicated that I had regular black outs and would get picked up regularly by the police and taken to a hospital for walking around in my night clothes San shoes with no Id. Why it took so long for me to catch on to that fact I don’t know but during those years I was also diagnosed with dissociation and DID. Never had it, was over medicated and I took my meds as ordered without question. I don’t believe it’s a bipolar thing, it’s a psychological result of western medicine.
That's a good point about the meds. I think some of my sleep talking and walking might have been from that.

I will say that some of my manic blackouts were mania-induced. Some were from before I was formally diagnosed and medicated.

I know that mixing alcohol and bipolar meds made me far more prone to alcohol blackouts. Bad bad combo!

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@*Beth*, I hope the Lithium works out well for you. Pretty much every psychiatrist I've ever been to sang its praises, including my present one. I've encountered many that really found it the wonder drug (or almost). I took it twice in the past. The first time for about nine months and the second for around six years. I wouldn't say that it was ever my wonder drug, but my moods were at least somewhat improved on it, though I always took it with an antipsychotic. I've heard of many who had few (if any) side effects, though I wasn't one of those people. In fact, one time I listed 10 side effects that I attributed to it, though I didn't suffer from all simultaneously and some were lesser annoyances than others. Like Nammu, I didn't have weight gain. In fact, I lost quite a chunk of weight on Lithium, the second time on it. I also retained most of that weight loss for a good five years, until a less weight friendly antipsychotic was added again.

You will hopefully be in the crowd that has few, if any, Lithium side effects. I do recommend the following:

1. Asking your pdoc to take the lowest possible efficacious dose. Kay Redfield Jamison wrote this, too, in her memoir "An Unquiet Mind". And I had a friend who swore her low"ish" dose served her well. This cuts down on side effects and helps eliminate dangers, like toxicity.

Okay, got it. My PA has prescribed 330 a.m./300 p.m. So, the lowest starting dose.

2. Be sure your doc orders frequent Lithium level blood tests, especially in early months. Also, thyroid functioning tests and creatinine levels (relating to kidney functioning).

Thankfully, he seems well-informed on this. I have my first blood lab on Tuesday.

3. Drink A LOT of water, even if it makes you pee a lot. Also, if you need an OTC pain reliever, I'd stick with acetaminophen over NSAIDS. Try to be consistent with salt consumption (I didn't say reduce or increase).

Fortunately, I love water and do drink a lot - and yes, I do pee a lot, too. But the taste of the water & the hydration is worth it to me. I'm not big on salt, so that's good. I'm curious - why are NSAIDS not preferred?

4. As people first get used to Lithium, they may experience upset stomach. This usually disappears after a short time. Ditto for dizziness/balance issues.

Okay, that's good to know. I am concerned about those 3 possible side effects.

5. Some Lithium side effects can be eased/eliminated by either drinking more water, or a dose adjustment. Or at worst, a side effect med. That is if you have any. Others may come and go.

Thank you, Soupe, for all the valuable info. I very much appreciate it.
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I'm thinking of getting an overnight job at the grocery store. Like a 10PM-6AM job. I used to work 6AM-1PM but now my sleep schedule is so unpredictable I'm often up half the night anyways and exhausted during the day.

I went out yesterday to get bottled water and protein shakes and bars and I think yesterday was the most comfortable and least paranoid I've felt since starting the Prestiq. It feels good to be taken seriously at the health and vitamin store.

My moods kinda dipped though later in the day but just like Tuesday once I ate I felt a ton better.

For once I don't have any doctors appointments this month. Only lab work on the 20th. And I only have 2 therapy appointments. My vacation is in a couple weeks and then my court date to change my name is at the end of the mont.

So things are going pretty good

I always love working night shifts. I am so happy for you about the Pristiq! It will be so exciting to have your name legally changed!

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I hardly got out of bed yesterday. Been staying in bed so far today except to put some music on and type this then it's back to laying down because it hurts less.

I'm sending you love and a big hug, Boots.

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I am heartbroken about Brittney Griner receiving the nine year sentence from the Russian court. The action is bogus; a political game. Brittney is such a kind person, so open and sweet-natured. So gifted. The whole thing makes me sick. I hope & pray that the American government steps up and does this nation proud by taken action on Brittney's behalf.

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Sounds like the depression is kicking in @MuddyBoots. At least I assume you're talking about emotional pain...which is often the worst kind. I hope you're not resorting to opioids to deaden the pain. Feel better...
Nah. I mean I am depressed, but it's physical pain that kept me in bed yesterdy/today. I took some acetaminophen and I can walk without crying so I guess I'll be ok for a few hours. No opioids and no plans on using

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I went in to group today but left at 12:30 and finished the day out virtually. I was just so sleepy, I knew I would probably fall asleep in group and that’s rude. But I did fall asleep even online with my camera off. I don’t know why I was so tired. I slept from 10pm to 8am with no interruptions. And I only took 25mg of seroquel to minimize the restless legs. So idk.

Funny story…turn out my insurance got canceled back in MAY but they never gave notice so I’ve been getting all sorts of things pre approved and they’ve said they would cover and turns out surprise! They will not. Including my hospital stay and my son’s surgery. I was freaking out but the group was able to calm me down. One guy was super nice and basically said I’ve gotten through everything else, some really ****** situations that not everyone could get through, and this is just money. Yeah it’s a lot but you can’t squeeze blood from a stone so they’ll get what they get when they get it. I know that in NJ at least as long as you make some sort of payment every month they can’t send you to collections.

It’s super hot here as well, with super hot being the forecast for the foreseeable future. I love the summer but once it’s over 90 degrees even I would like to be a penguin in Antarctica!

So I’m feeling better and glad I shared. The terror from the episode is still fresh in my mind. But that’s why I did share, so I don’t get like that again.

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That's a good point about the meds. I think some of my sleep talking and walking might have been from that.

I will say that some of my manic blackouts were mania-induced. Some were from before I was formally diagnosed and medicated.

I know that mixing alcohol and bipolar meds made me far more prone to alcohol blackouts. Bad bad combo!
My worse black out mania was due to antidepressants! So again for me medicated hell. But a lot of mania does come with blackouts, so that’s a good point. Un medicated mania for me is pretty pleasant until suddenly it isn’t and I’m psychotic. But those are a prelude to the crash.

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Felt yuck all day. Just nausea off and on. Hopefully I’ll wake up feeling better. I see Richard tomorrow.

Finally got a pic of one of my other dogs. Sirius photo bombed Gus lol Bipolar check-in #68

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I went out again this morning. No paranoia or anxiety. My doctor said it takes a couple weeks for the prestiq to take its full effect so it seems to be working pretty well. My moods have been fine today. I did go back to the full dose of my stomach med which has been helping a lot as well. My sister got her c section date scheduled for the middle of October. So my nephews will be staying with us for about 5 days. I am excited. October has always been my favorite month since I was a kid but its been a pretty significant month recently since I had my top surgery in October 2020 and my hystrectomy last October and my first nephew was born in October and now my 3rd niece or nephew will be born in October too.

October is such a nice month. My son's birthday is 10/3, my nephew's birthday is 10/11 and my daughter was conceived on 10/11 . And then there's Halloween.

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BeyondtheRainbow, after what you, and then Beth, wrote, I wonder how common things like sleepwalking and talking in one's sleep are? I have had my episodes, as well, into my adult years. My husband occasionally tells the stories of what I did and/or said.

I've had plenty of fragmentary and en block blackouts in my life, too. Not exactly sleepwalking, but the same kind of feeling thing. Yea, a few alcohol-induced, but many more bipolar mania-induced. I can't help but wonder if there is a predisposition to having them that's related across the board.

For me I assume it's some kind of neurological glitch that is related to the bipolar. I did not sleep even as a newborn and I've been sleepwalking since childhood as well. It can be a side effect of some meds so my pdoc likes to know when I'm doing it but it doesn't really matter what I'm taking.

I don't know if I do it more when in any mood state. That would be interesting to pay attention to.


I also want to talk to my therapist about the dissociation Beth mentions. Nobody has ever mentioned that as part of it but I'm not sure I've ever talked to him about sleepwalking unless it just has happened to occur the night before I saw him and I was laughing about it. I try not to get upset by it because I can't control it so I might as well laugh when I can. (This is definitely not always and I also would never laugh at someone else's experience, just it helps me cope).

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I had a therapy session this afternoon, but left early to stop by the pharmacy. That went quickly, so I stopped by the grocery store. When will I learn? It was 105 degrees outside and by the time I got to the clinic I felt so overheated I felt sick. Fortunately, it was very cool in there so I felt better pretty quickly.

I'm sorry I keep complaining about the heat, thanks for listening to me. I guess because we had no more than 24 hours of rain total in the winter this summer's heat feels atrocious.

Time to do kitty dinner and take care of Sidney's medical things. Tonight will be my first lithium dose, so I hope it gives me some sedation. Falling asleep before 1 a.m. would be an amazing event, instead of lying in bed for hours.

Geez, I'm full of complaints . Actually, the day went well - aside from the heat.

Oh! I have a box of home-grown peaches. OMG, they are divine. I can smell them around my apartment. David's neighbor gave us the peaches. She moved into her house here in town a couple of years ago and ironically, she had written two of the most memorable memoirs I've ever read - Across a Hundred Mountains and The Distance Between Us. One of these days I'm going to be assertive and ask her to sign my books. She's super friendly.

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Finally finished onboarding for my new job save for the drug test which will be completed tomorrow, so I'm excited for that! An even more interesting interview came in. It's for a local dollar store, but it sounds like she has an immediate need for people, will be able to grant more hours (possibly) and it's within walking distance to my house. I really like the first job, but if worst comes to worst, this one doesn't seem like a bad Plan B. Also, Plan C has me sitting for a phone call with a national cell phone carrier. A bit of distance, but if they offer me the gig, it will easily be the most lucrative job of the three! We'll see which one pans out!
Been an annoying day since then! Plan C said no almost immediately. Plan B couldn't meet with me at the scheduled time. Logistics did not work in this manager's favor as three product vendors descended on her at the same time. I meet her for Take 2 tomorrow. Plan A? I'm starting to get genuinely angry at their onboarding practices. Basically put, they are too lazy to do their part of some of the forms and want ME to get someone I know to do it for THEM! If it's not that, it's them actually having me fill in my own background check. Apparently, some i wasn't dotted or t crossed and they want me to drag this person back in to redo that part. At least it's virtual, but that's been a fat lot of good!



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Ugh, I thought I was doing a lot better today then too many things happened (nothing in particular, just too much piled together) and I'm starting to unravel again. I could finally turn the a/c off and open the windows, with the fans on. Feeling paranoid plus things are sliding around. Moving too fast, maybe. Welll...90 minutes until I will take the lithium. Med dude said that lithium works quickly. Did he mean "quickly" as in one dose? or "quickly" as in 2 days? I'm not sure. If I could just really sleep tonight. I ache all over.

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Ugh, I thought I was doing a lot better today then too many things happened (nothing in particular, just too much piled together) and I'm starting to unravel again. I could finally turn the a/c off and open the windows, with the fans on. Feeling paranoid plus things are sliding around. Moving too fast, maybe. Welll...90 minutes until I will take the lithium. Med dude said that lithium works quickly. Did he mean "quickly" as in one dose? or "quickly" as in 2 days? I'm not sure. If I could just really sleep tonight. I ache all over.

Beth can you take generic benadryl? It helps a lot of folks get to sleep.
1-2, 25-50mg pills.
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sorry sleep is so hard. I take klonipin to sleep and it usually holds me a good 8 hours. I really cut back my fluid intake this evening, stopped at 7pm to try to limit the number of times that I wake up to go to the bathroom.
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Hi @*Beth*.

"When combined with lithium, NSAIDs can increase lithium levels in the blood resulting in an increased risk for serious adverse effects like confusion, tremor, slurred speech, and vomiting."
- From NAMI website.

I think Lithium working "quickly" might rather mean in 2 weeks, and not 2 days. The only meds I ever found worked in as little as 2 days were antipsychotics and benzos. And for me, sometimes antidepressants would already start a mood switch from depression to hypomania, mania or mixed states. In my youth, two weeks would seem like a lifetime. Now, it's like the flash of a lightning bolt.

From drugs.com:

"A reduction in manic symptoms should be noticed within 5 to 7 days [on Lithium] but the full therapeutic effect may require 10 to 21 days."

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I've decided to stay in bed most of the day to try to ease a physical ailment that has gotten a bit out of control. Hubby contacted our friend, at my request, to skip today. She was suppose to help us with packing again, but I just can't have anyone in the house today, or preferably this weekend, either.

My sister emailed me to say that our brother has a form of pneumonia and his heart issue has flared up a bit. It is worrying and I can't help but think he has major psychological stressors that exacerbate it. Sadly, I think he's influenced by (basically a victim of) some far-right crap on the internet that promotes hate and anger and misinformation. It's a hard evil to fight, unfortunately.

Apparently my nephew is feeling unwell again after only a few days home from long stays in the psych hospital. He can't yet join an IOP because his COBRA hasn't kicked in. He lost his health insurance because his past employer fired him for being out too long/much. In other words, fired for being sick. COBRA is astronomically expensive. It's just a cold-hearted greedy medical healthcare system Americans deal with. Another evil that Americans live with despite there being a kinder gentler option for all. How sad many blindly inflict it all on themselves and fellow citizens. Ignorance and misinformation/propaganda from the "high powers" of the country reinforces it.
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I feel so sad that I've lost my home. I don't want to lose more of my family.

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