Borderline PD symptoms description

bipolarbearV · May 25, 2010 at 10:39 PM

To the moderators, I will answer a post but it is not an answer from the person I wrote to but from another person. Their reply then, doesn't make sense. Can you fix this?
Please read the post on here from EnigmaticPsycho who is answering Echo, even though I never wrote to either of them. It just get confusing that's all.
Thanks a lot

bipolarbearV

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Trippin2.0 · May 27, 2010 at 06:20 AM

Me, Myself and I, described down to the T...

Guess, I should keep that appt, need to understand "us"

/summergirl · Jun 12, 2010 at 03:25 PM

Thank you so much for sharing this!!

It sure expains alot...:0

bipolarbearV · Jun 12, 2010 at 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jessicamr

I was just told last week that I am bp. I am just as described above but not so exaggerated. Could I have been diagnosed incorrectly?

There are two abreviations that are often used incorrectly. BP usually stands for bipolar or manic-depressive. That is a condition of wide mood swings either within a short time all the way up to months or years. People with BP tend to be more depressed. Mania usually takes the form of frenzied activity, loss of sleep, extrodinary production (house cleaning done in 2 hrs for ex.) Extravagant and unneccary impulse buying is common. Interactions with others are better than those with BPD.

The 2nd abbreviation is BPD. Many get confused and also call it BP but it is not. BPD stands for borderline personality disorder. Mood swings are less apparent than in bipolar. There is also a tendency to have more problems with relationships often over abandonment issues. There are often rage problems. Inability to adapt socially is very common with job losses frequent. This is a more serious disorder than BP is. This is because it affects how people view and try to interact with the world, without having absorbed in childhood the rules of society. For more about BPD please read the 1st post. Also, clear up your diagnosis of BP or BPD with your Dr. it is important that you know which one or both you have. If you do have both conditions as I do, don't panic. Your world will go on!!

I hope this helps. Look For The Laughter! bipolarbearV

bipolarbearV · Jun 12, 2010 at 10:23 PM

My diagnosis made me feel better. I finally had a place where I fit in with other people. I was not all alone anymore. It might not have been the best gene pool to belong to, but it was much better than being alone.

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bipolarbearV · Jun 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TatteredandTorn

I'd just like to say how helpful I find this description, I've suffered with my mental health for 11 years now going through many different diagnosis, Chronic Depression, PTSD, Eating Disorders, Sever Depression, Bipolar II and Currently A-Typical Bipolar, Recurrent Depressive Illness, Generalised Anxiety Disorder and Social Phobia...
However I don't honestly think that the A-Typical Bipolar is a correct diagnosis...I have thought for a while that BPD is a better diagnosis...Everything you have described here is me, it's how I Feel, how I act, How I think, How I behave Etc...

I'm at a total loss as I don't know how to tell my Psych and CPN I don't think their diagnosis is correct..

I was a self harmer for years, only stopping because I didn't want to upset my family anymore, but according to my CPN this shows I am stronger than others and that my condition is not as serious, which I'm not saying it is but it's hard, I want to self harm sooo much it's the only way I can feel release/relief and let my anger and frustration out..I don't know how to talk to anyone and I can't be me...I don't know who "me" is...I've lived for so long putting up a front being "ok" and not letting my guard down that I no longer know how I feel, how to cry or anything the only thing I can do is get frustrated and angry..I'm at a complete loss...please does anything think it's possible that if I can say all of this description describes me that I may be right in thinking I have been misdiagnosed? and how can I tell me psych I think he is wrong? Please help I'm at a total loss

I'm terrified of being put in hospital I don't want that at all but I'm scared I will be...please help!

(Ps. I had to remove the link from the quote as it wouldn't let me post with it in!)

To TatteredandTorn reply to post #43

I too was great at putting up a good front. But if you want to get some relief (you will never be healed of this) you really, really, do need to tell the Dr or show him your post exactly as it is written. Just stuffing down your feeling of self harm does not mean that because you don't do it you are OK. Those thoughts can be dangerous and left untalked about could come to the surface and happen.

Don't worry about your pdoc's feelings. You are paying him. Tell him/her everything and then you can reasses your diagnosis. He can handle being right or wrong. If he can't, move on to another pdoc!!

I hear your pain about not wanting to be hospitalized. If you had pneumonia would you be afraid of being admitted? No. You would probably think that the hosp. is where they can help you. Exactly the same is true with a mental hosp. It is only society that makes that place scary. Where do we get all the scary and inaccurate 'facts' about mental hosp.? From TV and Movies! They are usually not very true, helpful or comforting, and some are right out of the 1940's movies!!!

So please don't let fear and lies scare you from getting the help you need. You will feel better. And YOU ARE WORTH IT!!

Look For The Laughter!! bipolarbearV

bipolarbearV · Jun 12, 2010 at 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lou99pop

BPD .... is an illness or not? I'm confusing by everyone's statement that BPD is part of mental illness while others isn't. Could you put my mind at ease asap?

Reply to post #61 from lou99pop

BPD in the US is considered an illness. It is in the 'Bible' for pdocs the DSM. You can view this in your libraries. I found out the borderline part of the name means borderline between neurosis and psychosis. Neurosis just means our own individual quirks that are unique to us and that normally don't hurt anyone else. Psychosis is a detachment from reality. Wanting to die, self-harm, hallucinations, delusions,
unusual thought patterns, unusual activity among lots of other things. Psychosis, hallucinations and thinking problems can be treated by therapy and by medicine. Anti-psychotics such as Zyprexa, Rispridril and Seroquel can stop the crazy thoughts and often restore normal activity in most. By my definition it is an illness because it can be treated with medicine. But, what does it really matter? Mental Illness is not understood by the public and there is much fear and stigma. When I talk to nurses and non psychiatric Drs, most of them don't know or understand that medicine can help offset many symptoms. If they of all people, don't get what a disease or illness is, than who will? The future of our illness is up to us. We need to teach others and de-mystify our disorders.

I hope this helps. Look For The Laughter!!

bipolarbearV

bipolarbearV · Jun 13, 2010 at 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cenaco

wow that was the best description of BPD...and basically described my entire life existence in a nut shell. wow

if I could thank you for that post 1,000 times I would...

Also, I have never been officially diagnosed with BPD, but was diagnosed with clinical depression my freshman year of high school. I have always felt that I am far too complex to be simply depressed. I feel as though BPD is a very accurate diagnosis, but I have to see a therapist before I can make such a judgement I suppose.

I was wondering though, if anyone would happen to know, if those with BPD have trouble accepting criticism. I have had this problem for almost all of my life. I always take things so insanely personally and get overly defensive and often become livid/enraged when I feel people are "attacking" me...when they may only be giving simple criticism. I can't handle any rejection/disappointment out of others...it makes me FREAK OUT. I am constantly seeing things in black and white - kind of like that love/hate thing with relationships, etc. I have serious anger problems too. But anyways, do people with BPD have that problem with criticm I was talking about? Thanks everyone, good luck to you all!!

Hi, I have BPD and all my life I have had a terrible time accepting criticism. I am 57. As a child I would call my Mom a liar when she returned from parent-teacher conferences where she shared with me the good and bad things the teachers had said about me. So she made me go to all P-T conferences so I would believe the criticism were honest. It was humiliating.

It's wierd though, while reacting terribly to criticism at the same general time I would also be asking and begging other people to tell me who I was and what were positive things about myself. My friends would rarely share their thoughts with me and it made me believe that I really did not have any good qualities about me. It was not until I was diagnosed BPD that I realized that there were others out there just like me!! What a relief! And after therapy and gaining life's wisdom I figured out what I was I thought I was good at and didn't give a flip if anyone else agreed. So now I can take criticism. I just consider the source--friend or foe--and let it roll off my back. I hope that helps. bipolarbearV Look For The Laughter!

Bipolarmother · Jun 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Thanks for sharing that description.
I have been diagnosed with bipolar and ptsd. But it seems I go into such a non functioning funk when I get depressed that I know have axis II "borderline" features during depression.

I am confused in just trying to understand borderline. Because all my life I have been stable with getting my college degree in 4yrs, been marrried for 25 yrs have alot of kids and pretty happy, functioning and succesful life. But triggers seemed to have caught up to me and I crashed big time and the first I was learning of even depression was when I went into the psychiatric hospital.

I do see the description of borderline in all of us and I mean everyone. Don't we all have characteristics of borderline when we get upset, insecure, unsure of life etc.? And being very depressed in of itself sometimes suicide is an answer? So is every suicidal person, borderline??

I understand since I have ptsd I have trauma from childhood, I ge thatand I definatly see the up and down I go with bipolar but the severity of the depression puzzles me but again not enough to be "borderline"?
Can anyone help with me with understanding?

Thanks

byfnvy · Jul 15, 2010 at 08:34 AM

I think I have this - self-diagnosed. I'd never even heard about this disorder before and only read about it today...

Of course it may just be me looking for a mental disorder for myself. Before I found this one, I suspected bipolar, and consciously told myself that I was having a manic episode. Sigh. For some reason, I just want to be sick with something.

blynder · Jul 15, 2010 at 10:47 AM

I was diagnosed with bpd, but i question it because i dont have the rage problems. I thought that was a big part of it, or am i wrong? can you have bpd and not strugle with rage?
"family members never know what to expect from their volatile child, siblings, or spouse, except they know they can expect trouble: suicide threats and attempts, self-inflicted injuries, outbursts of rage and recrimination, impulsive marriages, divorces, pregnancies and abortions; repeated starting and stopping of jobs and school careers, and a pervasive sense, on the part of the family, of being unable to help. "
the only part of this that affects me is the starting and stopping of jobs and school careers i'm really bad for that, i'm 25 and in school again for the third time. and already i'm thinking of somthing else.

roxyanne1 · Jul 17, 2010 at 11:23 PM

excellent thanks to all who posted

BrightOutlook · Aug 05, 2010 at 03:17 AM

Finally a wonderful array of informative thoughts by many who know what one who truly has BPD feels. Lovely group of people, so glad to find you all. The internet is a wonderful thing!

bipolarbearV · Aug 06, 2010 at 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bipolarbearV

Reply to post #61 from lou99pop

BPD in the US is considered an illness. It is in the 'Bible' for pdocs the DSM. You can view this in your libraries. I found out the borderline part of the name means borderline between neurosis and psychosis. Neurosis just means our own individual quirks that are unique to us and that normally don't hurt anyone else. Psychosis is a detachment from reality. Wanting to die, self-harm, hallucinations, delusions,
unusual thought patterns, unusual activity among lots of other things. Psychosis, hallucinations and thinking problems can be treated by therapy and by medicine. Anti-psychotics such as Zyprexa, Rispridril and Seroquel can stop the crazy thoughts and often restore normal activity in most. By my definition it is an illness because it can be treated with medicine. But, what does it really matter? Mental Illness is not understood by the public and there is much fear and stigma. When I talk to nurses and non psychiatric Drs, most of them don't know or understand that medicine can help offset many symptoms. If they of all people, don't get what a disease or illness is, than who will? The future of our illness is up to us. We need to teach others and de-mystify our disorders.

I hope this helps. Look For The Laughter!!

bipolarbearV

Hi it's me again. I wanted to give you another reason mental illness is an illness. When you stop taking your meds your symptoms come back. I did that with the anti-depressant elavil. I took it for a long time and thought I was cured. So I tapered myself off the med and lo and behold the big D was back with a vengance. If your stop giving antibiotics or insulin to patients, they get sick again. So same deal here. I hope this helps.

ECHOES · Aug 06, 2010 at 03:44 PM

Personality disorders are not illnesses. They are the result of interrupted development and misperceptions about how the world works.
Many take no meds because symptoms tend to be reactionary and not something to medicate. Treatment with therapy helps a person to examine and rework their perceptions that cause the reationary distress that is very intense and very difficult. Unfortunately it can be hard for a person with BPD to enter into therapy or stay with it because of their mistrust of others and their intense internal experience of others, and of themselves.

bipolarbearV · Aug 06, 2010 at 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by knothead

Since I was diagnosed with BPD a few months ago, I've read everything that I can get my hands on about it, which isn't that much, by the way. A lot of the info out there is really outdated. Your list of symptoms are the best that I've come across yet; I'm glad you have such a good doc, Echoes. Thanks for posting them, I could use them as my biography!

For the latest information log on to NIMH.gov You will get a lot of info on any psych. disease, medicine, clinical trials and much more. This is free and is paid for with our taxes. NIMH stands for National Institutes of Mental Health. I hope this helps you.

bipolarbearV · Aug 06, 2010 at 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lou99pop

ECHOES, in conclusion that BPD is definitely not mental illness but a disorder, meaning we'll have to learn from it and to practise whatever it throws at us. Last question that bothers me much, do BPD people need a medication as part of the treatment or not? (Currently I'm taking meds and wondering if I'm not illness but still taking meds for disorder?)

I disagree partially with Echoes on it being a disorder or an illness. I think it is some of both as BPD does improve with anti-psychotics which eliminate hallucinations, voices and commands. Being brought back into reality by medicine often helps with the behavior part of BPD. I have had BP & BPD for 30 years, with constant therapy and medication. With DBT I am the best I have ever been but know I will always need support. And the Drs. have tried me off the anti-psychotics but my symptoms return. So for me anyway, it's a mixed bag. I hope this helps you.

bipolarbearV · Aug 06, 2010 at 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lou99pop

ECHOES, in conclusion that BPD is definitely not mental illness but a disorder, meaning we'll have to learn from it and to practise whatever it throws at us. Last question that bothers me much, do BPD people need a medication as part of the treatment or not? (Currently I'm taking meds and wondering if I'm not illness but still taking meds for disorder?)

I think BPD is part disorder and part illness. Why? Because most BPDs get anti-psychotic medicine. When these meds are stopped the hallucinations, visions, commands and voices ofter reappear. Beeing brought back to reality lets the Pt. learn the differences between healthy (Wise Mind Thinking) vs. Emotional or all Logical Thinking. That is a very short class in DBT!! I do think it is also a behavior problem where we can't remember the correct behavior in similar situations. The worry I have in calling BPD a disorder and NOT an illness is that it feeds ignorant people like my M-I-L who actually said to me,"Why can't you just pull yourself up by the boot straps?" She and many others can understand it much better by seeing it as an illness although I doubt she does even now. Since most of the other MIs are chemical, I don't see why BPD should be left entirely out of the disease category. I have had BPD & BP for 30 long years!

ECHOES · Aug 06, 2010 at 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bipolarbearV

I disagree partially with Echoes on it being a disorder or an illness. I think it is some of both as BPD does improve with anti-psychotics which eliminate hallucinations, voices and commands. Being brought back into reality by medicine often helps with the behavior part of BPD. I have had BP & BPD for 30 years, with constant therapy and medication. With DBT I am the best I have ever been but know I will always need support. And the Drs. have tried me off the anti-psychotics but my symptoms return. So for me anyway, it's a mixed bag. I hope this helps you.

Medication for psychosis symptoms makes perfect sense.
I'm really glad there is medication that helps!!

bipolarbearV · Aug 06, 2010 at 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bipolarmother

Thanks for sharing that description.
I have been diagnosed with bipolar and ptsd. But it seems I go into such a non functioning funk when I get depressed that I know have axis II "borderline" features during depression.

I am confused in just trying to understand borderline. Because all my life I have been stable with getting my college degree in 4yrs, been marrried for 25 yrs have alot of kids and pretty happy, functioning and succesful life. But triggers seemed to have caught up to me and I crashed big time and the first I was learning of even depression was when I went into the psychiatric hospital.

I do see the description of borderline in all of us and I mean everyone. Don't we all have characteristics of borderline when we get upset, insecure, unsure of life etc.? And being very depressed in of itself sometimes suicide is an answer? So is every suicidal person, borderline??

I understand since I have ptsd I have trauma from childhood, I ge thatand I definatly see the up and down I go with bipolar but the severity of the depression puzzles me but again not enough to be "borderline"?
Can anyone help with me with understanding?

Thanks

I'll try. Think of each mental illness as it's own illness. Like bronchitus and pneumonia. They are related but not at all the same. But they both deal with our breathing. You suffer from Depression. There are technical terms but I'll just say there is minor, major, and severe D. Some D. also has Mania with it. Mania is frenzied activity possibly combined with lack of judgement in spending, sex, and eating. There is BP (manic-depressive listed above) and there's also schitzo-affective disorder that is both BP and Scitzophrenia. To me, MI diagnosis is almost like reading diagnosis while they pass you by on a conveyor belt. Each one gets more and more severe or vice versa.

So the severity of your D does NOT have anything to do with BPD, except that you may also have some D while also being a BPD. Depression has one set of symptoms and BPD has another set of symptoms. However other conditions may cross over just to confuse us! Now that I have totally confused you, you may kiss my hand! (NOT) I hope this helps. If not, I'll try again. Or Not!

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Trippin2.0 Legendary Member Since May 2010 Location: Cape Town South Africa Posts: 11,937 (SuperPoster!) 14 600 hugs given	May 27, 2010 at 06:20 AM #122 Me, Myself and I, described down to the T... Guess, I should keep that appt, need to understand "us" __________________ DXD BP1, BPD & OCPD "The best way to make it through with hearts and wrists in tact, is to realise, two out of three aint bad" FOB...
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bipolarbearV Member Member Since Apr 2010 Location: East Coast of Florida Posts: 98 14	Jun 12, 2010 at 10:23 PM #125 My diagnosis made me feel better. I finally had a place where I fit in with other people. I was not all alone anymore. It might not have been the best gene pool to belong to, but it was much better than being alone. Look For The Laughter! bipolarbearV
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byfnvy Member Member Since Jun 2010 Posts: 101 14 42 hugs given	Jul 15, 2010 at 08:34 AM #130 I think I have this - self-diagnosed. I'd never even heard about this disorder before and only read about it today... Of course it may just be me looking for a mental disorder for myself. Before I found this one, I suspected bipolar, and consciously told myself that I was having a manic episode. Sigh. For some reason, I just want to be sick with something.
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BrightOutlook Junior Member Member Since Aug 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 9 14	Aug 05, 2010 at 03:17 AM #133 Finally a wonderful array of informative thoughts by many who know what one who truly has BPD feels. Lovely group of people, so glad to find you all. The internet is a wonderful thing!
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