[acrosstheborderline]

I have found depression and anxiety is now excepted in the community , it's something people talk openly now . I feel this is manly thanks to the celebrity that have open talked about having depression and anxiety . The stigma is not there like it was many , many years ago . However will there come a time other mental disorder's such as borderline personality disorder , that people will be surportive and not be judgeing and unsuportive plus the many other mental disorder's that are around .. Will the world accept mental illness like people accept psychial illness with respect and compassion like it deserves . I feel were coming out of the dark ages alittle bit with mental health problems , however there's still abit more work to be done . What do other's think ?

[Liinu]

I think it's not as common as other mental illnesses. I mean.. It wasn't even studied on universities until what.. like 2000? By that, I mean psychology majors, of course.
My point is that, yes.. i think there will come a time, when people accept bpd as an illness. They just need to be aware of it and that's the big issue here. I've been interested in psychology and medicine my whole life and I only found out that such a disorder existed about a year ago.

And celebrities do help a lot. Demi Lovato raised awareness towards eating disorders, self harm and bipolar disorder. Adam Levine did the same with ADHD. The time will come for BPD.

[Towanda]

I could be mistaken but wasn't Princess Di suspected of being borderline?

I know what you mean, though. Most people have some familiarity with bipolar, depression, eating disorders, ocd, trauma, etc. but bpd seems to keep getting shoved in the background. Ask most people and they have no idea what bpd is, what the symptoms are, etc. The public know about SI but usually don't connect the two.
The actress whose name is escaping me raised public awareness of postpartum depression with her book - we need something similar for bpd.

[Liinu]

Diana was suspected to have BPD, yes. So was Amy Winehouse. And Angelina Jolie, if I recall correctly.

[Girl_Interrupted]

Originally Posted by Liinu

I think it's not as common as other mental illnesses. .

Actually it's MORE common than most mental illnesses. More common than Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Liinu

Diana was suspected to have BPD, yes. So was Amy Winehouse. And Angelina Jolie, if I recall correctly.

Does having celebrities sporting their mental illness as Prada bag help though?

I mean...whatshername came out as bipolar and presented it as "I went to hospital, got some meds and I am as good as new". That is not how it is.

Diana, peace be upon her, was troubled in many ways, but I think her biggest trouble was.... getting married into one messed up royal family. How many of us can relate? (maybe we should learn from her that if one has trouble of their own, they still can do a lot of good for others). And I don't think she should be remembered by some suspected mental trouble. She should be remembered for the things she did, otherwise, let her rest in peace.

Amy Winehouse.... was a tragic story, but I am afraid many will idolize her in her troubledness. And as with Diana... let her rest in peace, she had gone through lot of speculative crap when alive.

Angelina is all sorts of crazy. As much as she is good person........ she is not relatable... she gets away with lot because of her position.



I have no idea how to deal with is (besides not slapping MI labels left on right, especially on dead troubled people). I think that intolerance for troubled people (people with MH issues) is just teeeeeny part of the picture anyways. Maybe if we accepted diversity in general, not so many of us would be SOOOOO troubled.

[Liinu]

It is? I didn't know that.

But Demi is working with Love Is Louder and she is nowhere near to being "as good as new". You obviously haven't looked into the subject much. She's still struggling every single day, but she finds the strength to inspire young people. Her audience is mainly teenage girls. And when does cutting usually start? In teenage years or even younger. She reaches out to those people and speaks honestly about what it's really like and she has helped a lot of people find the help they need. So yeah.. I think celebrities speaking loudly about problems does help.
I mean, look at the gay marriage issue. Many celebrities have openly told the world that they support gay marriage. They have a bigger voice then one random person in a random country in a random town. They have a big audience and they can use that to make certain problems known to the majority of the world. And yes, that will help.

[Open Eyes]

I appreciate it when celebrities come forward to shed light on different psychological challenges. I do not personally feel that they do this for selfish reasons. I feel that they do this because they have actually struggled and when they discover why and that it is not their fault and it is a real problem that many suffer from, they realize that there needs to be more awareness so that those who suffer can get help and learn how to manage whatever they have and lead productive lives.

My therapist discussed BPD with me and told me that these people almost always suffered some kind of abuse and neglect in their childhoods. They are not bad people and once they get to address their core issues they can resolve their problems and learn how to overcome them. They do have a stigma of being dangerous, yada, yada, but they can actually LEARN to work through it.

The important part of dealing with psychological challenges is to be educated about whatever it is and that IT CAN BE MANAGED with AWARENESS along with developing the ability to work around it or through it.

Open Eyes

[Liinu]

I suffered from neglect. My dad left us when I was five. And he meant the world to me. So yeah.. Sucks.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Liinu

It is? I didn't know that.

But Demi is working with Love Is Louder and she is nowhere near to being "as good as new". You obviously haven't looked into the subject much. She's still struggling every single day, but she finds the strength to inspire young people. Her audience is mainly teenage girls. And when does cutting usually start? In teenage years or even younger. She reaches out to those people and speaks honestly about what it's really like and she has helped a lot of people find the help they need. So yeah.. I think celebrities speaking loudly about problems does help.
I mean, look at the gay marriage issue. Many celebrities have openly told the world that they support gay marriage. They have a bigger voice then one random person in a random country in a random town. They have a big audience and they can use that to make certain problems known to the majority of the world. And yes, that will help.

I meant Catherine Zeta Jones... she seemed to present bipolar as case of flu or something.

I don't know Demi, to be honest.

I do like the idea of awareness, but it can go wrong. Africa is still starving, eventhough so many celebrities spoke (and some say, celebrities made the whole situation worse...). Gay marriage is still illegal.
I think it comes to right role models who know what the eff are they doing, and sadly, there's very little good leaders lately. So MH awareness campaings send people to their GPs for pills, lead to overdiagnosis and pathologizing for minor issues, while not helping those who would really need it (and surely they don't fix the rotten system).
And even worse.... I hate hearing "it's what Britney has" when i speak of my problems, with everybody backing off (probably waiting for me to shave my head and go around pantyless). Of course... there are peeps like Emilie Autumn or K.Flay, who have and speak of their problems and can produce something actually artistic... but how many people know them? How many will care for borderline actress who was troubled back then, but managed to get her **** together and now acts in movies of artistic value, when there's Amy Winehouse destroying herself with the world watching?

[Liinu]

Oh, sorry. I thought I had mentioned Demi in my post and you meant her.
But yeah.. It's difficult to find the balance between raising awareness and promoting.

[NYCDoglvr]

When borderlines stop having extreme rages and outpouring of emotion directed towards other people it will be more accepted. Depression & anxiety aren't normally targeted at others, they are easier to accept.

[Liinu]

Yes!!
I have this friends who knows about my struggles but she still won't accept it. She thinks that I do it on purpose. During one rage attack, I really offended it and she was like "well it means that deep down you meant every single word"

NO! It's not like when you get drunk, you're suddenly very honest. I don't hate her. But BPD makes me hate her at one moment and adore at the next. And I can't change that.

[Open Eyes]

(((Liinu))), Yes, you CAN change that, but it takes time and work to get to the bottom of why you do that. There IS a reason for this behavior pattern.

[Liinu]

Well yeah, but I need actual help for that. I've tried changing on my own. And I've ended up just holding everything inside until it starts killing me. So that really didn't work. But to get help, I need to get a diagnosis and finding a place that can provide that is taking really ****ing long.

[Open Eyes]

Originally Posted by NYCDoglvr

When borderlines stop having extreme rages and outpouring of emotion directed towards other people it will be more accepted. Depression & anxiety aren't normally targeted at others, they are easier to accept.

This is a very misunderstood disorder, these extreme rages are typically a result of suffering from abuse or neglect as a child.

A while back I met someone here at PC and this person was actually a nice person but did struggle. I discussed this disorder with my therapist who advised me that there is almost always a history of abuse/negligence that produces this behavior. He told me that he has treated these people and with therapy they DO IMPROVE AND CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. It is just that many therapists don't know how to treat them, but they CAN heal.

When we view a celebrity that is expressing bad behaviors and then the general public hears a disorder attached to that person and their bad behaviors that leaves a stigma that is not fair to others that suffer, get help, and heal.

Unfortunately because a lot of celebrities have the means to self endulge they may not get the proper treatment they need that can make a genuine difference and also be an example to others that these problems can be resolved.

[Liinu]

Yeah.. The hardest part is making others suffer. I mean.. Right now it's either: Lose all my friends or keep it all in. Both is hard for me. So I'm kind of stuck in this "don't talk to people" phase.

[NYCDoglvr]

I'm a recovering alcoholic sober 20.5 year thanks to AA. Wouldn't it be helpful to have some sort of meetings where you can open up with each other? AA isn't religious, it's spiritual (I'm an agnostic) and the 12 Steps have helped me a great deal. Perhaps they could be modified for BPD. It's the support of people who understand you helping you get through the tough times that is a life-saver.

The 12 Steps are used by other groups (eating disorders, co-dependents, shopping, gambling, overspending, etc.), adapted when necessary.

Just a thought

[kitten2012]

Originally Posted by NYCDoglvr

I'm a recovering alcoholic sober 20.5 year thanks to AA. Wouldn't it be helpful to have some sort of meetings where you can open up with each other? AA isn't religious, it's spiritual (I'm an agnostic) and the 12 Steps have helped me a great deal. Perhaps they could be modified for BPD. It's the support of people who understand you helping you get through the tough times that is a life-saver.

The 12 Steps are used by other groups (eating disorders, co-dependents, shopping, gambling, overspending, etc.), adapted when necessary.

Just a thought

My name is kitten2012 and I'm a rage/cry/tantrum/oversensitive/doormat/normal personaholic with a side order of issues. Hmm, we should work on the marketing a bit. Also take out the God stuff. Otherwise, it's not so bad

[Open Eyes]

Originally Posted by Liinu

Well yeah, but I need actual help for that. I've tried changing on my own. And I've ended up just holding everything inside until it starts killing me. So that really didn't work. But to get help, I need to get a diagnosis and finding a place that can provide that is taking really ****ing long.

I am sorry it is taking you so long to see a therapist. It took me a while to find one that was a trama specialist that also treated PTSD. It was worth the wait. I am sorry you have to wait.

Open Eyes

[acrosstheborderline]

Originally Posted by Liinu

I think it's not as common as other mental illnesses. I mean.. It wasn't even studied on universities until what.. like 2000? By that, I mean psychology majors, of course.
My point is that, yes.. i think there will come a time, when people accept bpd as an illness. They just need to be aware of it and that's the big issue here. I've been interested in psychology and medicine my whole life and I only found out that such a disorder existed about a year ago.

And celebrities do help a lot. Demi Lovato raised awareness towards eating disorders, self harm and bipolar disorder. Adam Levine did the same with ADHD. The time will come for BPD.

yes you are right , there will come time people will have understanding , however at present very few people in my life now about my bpd symptom's . I'm afraid cause I add it severe they will think I had it like year's ago in my teens . To save the confusion the only people in my life who know are my parents .

[acrosstheborderline]

Originally Posted by Towanda

I could be mistaken but wasn't Princess Di suspected of being borderline?

I know what you mean, though. Most people have some familiarity with bipolar, depression, eating disorders, ocd, trauma, etc. but bpd seems to keep getting shoved in the background. Ask most people and they have no idea what bpd is, what the symptoms are, etc. The public know about SI but usually don't connect the two.
The actress whose name is escaping me raised public awareness of postpartum depression with her book - we need something similar for bpd.

I have read princess dia had bpd as well as marlyin monroe . However it's not known for sure . It's not something people come out , even the celebritie's who have it . I feel cause one the symptom's is rage , people are afraid to come out with it. However not everyone has the symptom of rage . I suffer more of anxiety and depression side in ..

[acrosstheborderline]

Originally Posted by Girl_Interrupted

Actually it's MORE common than most mental illnesses. More common than Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

It may be more common but I have never known people with it , in the 80s it was un heard of and a physchaitrist couldn't diagnose me with any mental disorder or illness . His word's were "you have some mental illness but I don't know what it is " Recently I was talking to a general nurse , and told of borderline personality traits I had . She said " what's that ? It is that like depression ? For something that is common , why do people still have no idea even medical people . It's because of the stigma attached to it . I don't know if ever this will change .

[acrosstheborderline]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

Does having celebrities sporting their mental illness as Prada bag help though?

I mean...whatshername came out as bipolar and presented it as "I went to hospital, got some meds and I am as good as new". That is not how it is.

Diana, peace be upon her, was troubled in many ways, but I think her biggest trouble was.... getting married into one messed up royal family. How many of us can relate? (maybe we should learn from her that if one has trouble of their own, they still can do a lot of good for others). And I don't think she should be remembered by some suspected mental trouble. She should be remembered for the things she did, otherwise, let her rest in peace.

Amy Winehouse.... was a tragic story, but I am afraid many will idolize her in her troubledness. And as with Diana... let her rest in peace, she had gone through lot of speculative crap when alive.

Angelina is all sorts of crazy. As much as she is good person........ she is not relatable... she gets away with lot because of her position.



I have no idea how to deal with is (besides not slapping MI labels left on right, especially on dead troubled people). I think that intolerance for troubled people (people with MH issues) is just teeeeeny part of the picture anyways. Maybe if we accepted diversity in general, not so many of us would be SOOOOO troubled.

I totaly agree with your comment , if people accepted the diversity of MI then we wouldn't so many trouble people . We can only hope that this will happen .

[acrosstheborderline]

Originally Posted by Open Eyes

I appreciate it when celebrities come forward to shed light on different psychological challenges. I do not personally feel that they do this for selfish reasons. I feel that they do this because they have actually struggled and when they discover why and that it is not their fault and it is a real problem that many suffer from, they realize that there needs to be more awareness so that those who suffer can get help and learn how to manage whatever they have and lead productive lives.

My therapist discussed BPD with me and told me that these people almost always suffered some kind of abuse and neglect in their childhoods. They are not bad people and once they get to address their core issues they can resolve their problems and learn how to overcome them. They do have a stigma of being dangerous, yada, yada, but they can actually LEARN to work through it.

The important part of dealing with psychological challenges is to be educated about whatever it is and that IT CAN BE MANAGED with AWARENESS along with developing the ability to work around it or through it.

Open Eyes

Most people with bpd , are more a threat to themselve's then to anyone else . They need empathy not people feeling sorry for us . Also what come's with empathy is understanding . People will believe what they want to believe , I don't know if that will ever change .