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Old May 31, 2012, 11:15 PM
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Common or not, bpd is still a condition that we don't ask for and a condition that we don't deliberately get to upset ppl.

I look forward to that day when bpd is no longer a "bad person disease". (I overheard a therapist say that, I swear and it made me SICK!).

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Old May 31, 2012, 11:21 PM
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When borderlines stop having extreme rages and outpouring of emotion directed towards other people it will be more accepted. Depression & anxiety aren't normally targeted at others, they are easier to accept.
They need to learn how. They need help!

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So I'm kind of stuck in this "don't talk to people" phase.

Me too!

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Old Jun 01, 2012, 02:15 AM
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I read somewhere that psychologists and psychiatrists who graduated before 2000 haven't even studied it. So yeah.. It's hard to find a therapist who really and thoroughly knows what the eff you're talking about.
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Old Jun 01, 2012, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCDoglvr will there ever be a time , bpd will be accepted in the community as a illness .?
When borderlines stop having extreme rages and outpouring of emotion directed towards other people it will be more accepted. Depression & anxiety aren't normally targeted at others, they are easier to accept."

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This is a very misunderstood disorder, these extreme rages are typically a result of suffering from abuse or neglect as a child.
This comment is irrelevent in terms of whether bpd will be accepted, and NYCDoglvr is quite correct with his statement.

People who were neglected or abused (but don't have bpd) already get sympathy and compassion, so that is NOT the issue. The issue is intense emotions directed at others. While the day may come when bpd is more accepted, people with bpd will receive sympathy for childhood neglect/abuse, however that's as far as it will go in the majority of cases. The normal average human being is not going to tolerate for very long intense outbursts directed towards them. While a "non" may be more conciderate, ultimately it's up to the person with bpd to control themselves.

Even with depression, it's understood but I'm not necessarily sure if it's fully accepted. People are always being told don't hang around negative people. Depression is not seen as a positive attribute.

I feel comfortable in saying all of this because I have both bpd and depression. I've driven people off, lost people in my life, I have regrets but ultimately understand.

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A while back I met someone here at PC and this person was actually a nice person but did struggle. I discussed this disorder with my therapist who advised me that there is almost always a history of abuse/negligence that produces this behavior. He told me that he has treated these people and with therapy they DO IMPROVE AND CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. It is just that many therapists don't know how to treat them, but they CAN heal.
Agree with many therapists not knowing how to treat, and I'm sure your friend did get better and function better. I disagree with the rest. It's possible they May get better, it's also possible they MAY NOT get better. DBT isn't 100% effective.

I've been through dbt, and with some things it has been extremely helpful ie. dealing with things I can anticipate. It hasn't been to helpful with things that I can't anticipate. Those things I can't anticipate are likely to involve interpersonal relationships. So I guess the point I'm trying to make is we may get better in terms of being able to function better in some situations, but in other situations involving interpersonal relationships it may not help. In those cases we go right back to what NYCDoglvr said.

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When we view a celebrity that is expressing bad behaviors and then the general public hears a disorder attached to that person and their bad behaviors that leaves a stigma that is not fair to others that suffer, get help, and heal.

Unfortunately because a lot of celebrities have the means to self endulge they may not get the proper treatment they need that can make a genuine difference and also be an example to others that these problems can be resolved.
Not sure I fully agree with this, but would agree with the majority of it.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCDoglvr will there ever be a time , bpd will be accepted in the community as a illness .?
When borderlines stop having extreme rages and outpouring of emotion directed towards other people it will be more accepted. Depression & anxiety aren't normally targeted at others, they are easier to accept."


This comment is irrelevent in terms of whether bpd will be accepted, and NYCDoglvr is quite correct with his statement.

People who were neglected or abused (but don't have bpd) already get sympathy and compassion, so that is NOT the issue. The issue is intense emotions directed at others. While the day may come when bpd is more accepted, people with bpd will receive sympathy for childhood neglect/abuse, however that's as far as it will go in the majority of cases. The normal average human being is not going to tolerate for very long intense outbursts directed towards them. While a "non" may be more conciderate, ultimately it's up to the person with bpd to control themselves.

Even with depression, it's understood but I'm not necessarily sure if it's fully accepted. People are always being told don't hang around negative people. Depression is not seen as a positive attribute.

I feel comfortable in saying all of this because I have both bpd and depression. I've driven people off, lost people in my life, I have regrets but ultimately understand.


Agree with many therapists not knowing how to treat, and I'm sure your friend did get better and function better. I disagree with the rest. It's possible they May get better, it's also possible they MAY NOT get better. DBT isn't 100% effective.

I've been through dbt, and with some things it has been extremely helpful ie. dealing with things I can anticipate. It hasn't been to helpful with things that I can't anticipate. Those things I can't anticipate are likely to involve interpersonal relationships. So I guess the point I'm trying to make is we may get better in terms of being able to function better in some situations, but in other situations involving interpersonal relationships it may not help. In those cases we go right back to what NYCDoglvr said.


Not sure I fully agree with this, but would agree with the majority of it.
I feel anyone can attack the nearest person with an emotionail outburst's , I have lived with people who didnt have bpd but went into rage's and attacked people for all what was going on in their life's. Not everyone with bpd has extreme rage's , however most people with bpd are very more sensitive then usual to average person in the street without this disorder. So I guess that's why people lose their control with there emotion's more often . However as we age we learn to control those emotion's alot better but where never 100 per cent in control of our emotion's then again is there anyone that ever is in control hundred percent of the time of their emotions . Still I dont feel people should make judgements and accept medical problems as medical problems , there are other health problem's out there that have rage as apar t of that medical problem , yet we dont juge them . Such as my son who has autism and has problems with rage as well through his autism .
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 10:43 PM
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Common or not, bpd is still a condition that we don't ask for and a condition that we don't deliberately get to upset ppl.

I look forward to that day when bpd is no longer a "bad person disease". (I overheard a therapist say that, I swear and it made me SICK!).

Billi
well said , and totaly agree people need to walk in other people's shoe's . Nobody in their right minds wants to have a condition such as borderline personality disorder in their lives .
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