Borderline Controversy Debate: Possible Trigger

It does suck, the longer you wait the harder it gets. I agree if caught early on the prognosis is much better! But rarely are personality disorders caught early on. It is sad, but I'm not feeling sorry for myself. I understand where I am and why and what the prognosis for me is. I am under no delusion regarding that. I prefer the truth! Narcs and sociopaths don't care and rarely ever seek help. Only our schizo cousins share this dilemma we are in. I suppose for some people with just bpd and are really dedicated and motivated to get better and stick with it, and have the money for long term therapy, for them, the prognosis may be better and good for them! For most of us, we are in for a long and rough ride.

Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder is the term that has been used on my care plan for some time...i personally prefer it, the original name is rather vague imo.

Even with treatment, depression or mania recurs in most people with bipolar disorder.

I'm hearing some thoughts that Bipolar is relatively easy to treat because you just take some pills and you're okay. But as the above states, many people, if not most, will have relapses, some more often than others. Episodes can and do breakthrough meds, hopefully the meds will at least offer fewer and/or less severe episodes.

In contrary to what I've read here, I *do* think therapy is very important for bipolar disorder. For one thing, many people have other 'issues' which would be beneficial to work on, and to the extent that these issues can trigger or worsen episodes, it can be very helpful to improve them.

My therapist helps me to see when I'm going into an episode, when I do not have the insight to do so. If I increase my meds early on, the episode will very likely be less severe (i.e. stem psychosis) than if I don't, so this is very important.

I also tend to feel very demoralized after episodes --therapy helps with this too. As well as dealing with my feelings and deep ambivalence surrounding taking medications that have such terrible side effects.

I also have other issues, notably PTSD, which I need to work on. Surges in anxiety, in the past, have contributed to touching off manic episodes --I need to work on the anxiety for itself and also to help avoid bipolar episodes.

Additionally, I think that working on emotional regulation when well, when not sick, has the potential to help, even if only a little, while in an episode, unless full-blown manic.

As I said before, bipolar is not simply a matter of unbalanced chemicals in the brain, and research does not bear out any definitive conclusions that this is the case. I think, as with any mental health disorder, it's best to attack it from as many angles as possible.

I don't think either disorder is necessarily easier to treat than the other, only that the treatment is largely different, and for it to be successful, diagnosis needs to be more accurate.

Funding seems to be a widespread problem.

Where i'm from, people aren't diagnosed with personality disorders until they're over 18. I didn't respond to DBT which i fought for over a year to get locally referred too and unfortunately MBT isn't something generally available here just yet. And it would have to be in my county anyway as my health trust won't fund out of area treatment due to budget cutbacks.

I can't hold down a high paying job to self fund or have an insurance plan that probably wouldn't cover what i'd need anyway.

So it seems for me that because i wasn't born to the right postcode i somehow need to get my hands on a load of money instead *sigh*

IV I know of a man, who had a very traumatic childhood, he scored as high as I did in the ACE study with 9/10 (adverse childhood events) he says he recovered in 3 years with psychotherapy alone, 3 times a week. He was the CEO of a software company and could afford this type of intense psychotherapy, he also kept a daily journal and is very intelligent.

Ultramar I never said Bipolar don't need therapy, if it came off that way that is not how I meant it, I simply meant its easier to manage with conventional methods than borderline personality disorder. I already knew that about the break through and the psychosis, a good friend I grew up around is bipolar - schizoaffective and always quits taking her meds. She hates her meds, but the people around her hate her when she is not on her meds because she is loud and can become extremely violent during a manic episode. She was doing best with a monthly IM injection because then she didn't have to keep up with her cocktail of drugs. She was as stable as I'd ever seen her when she was taking the shot. Then for some reason they changed to letting her administer her own medication again and she fell off the deep end again recently and had to go back to the psych ward for stabilization. Like all mental health disorders there is a range of severity from the mild, moderate to severe.

I also like the term emotionally unstable personality disorder better, but honestly I don't care either way. People are ignorant about mental illness in general and there will be stigma with every disorder, even depression.

Ultramar you seem to read in to what you want and ignore what is some times said. Perhaps you should do direct quotes when you make a claim some one said some thing. Otherwise it's difficult to address your posts because I for one have no freaking idea how you come to the conclusions you got to claiming what was said. You make incorrect statements and when corrected do not acknowledge them but simply go on to another false claim.

I will try to address your last post the best I can despite it being all over the map with no direct quotes just say so's.

to your..

(see address your points this way next time!)

Where did any one say treating bipolar was EASY just take some pills all better? And to your..

show me where any one said that? copy and paste where you find it in your reply.

While your at it please prove a source to support your statement here..

And to your ..

If you noticed I DID SAY PATIENTS WITH MULTIPLE DISORDERS COMPLICATES THINGS.

And finally to your..

Certainly your entitled to your opinion to think what ever you want. That goes for any one. What I am attempting to do here however is concentrate on facts using reliable sources. But thank you for your input. Please next time try to address specific points you make with quotes and claims with sources. Thank you.

Now for my opinion on what I think, I hate the term emotionally unstable personality disorder, I hope it stays in the UK as they do tend to more more emotional any way (my opinion of course) Borderline is 100% better IMHO as it identifies BPD at it's root being a combination of overlapping systems. The UK approaches psychology in many different ways then the US. I would not be able to get the meds that work best for me if I lived in the UK because they seem to think differently. I am most grateful for being in the USA for one more reason

IndieVisible - I'm not sure what you're hoping to get from this. Seems like you just want to argue. This is not a debate forum, it is a support forum. And THIS section especially is here for BPD people and those with a vested interest in it... yet here you are coming at an angle that is making almost all BPD people reading it feel a need to defend themselves.
Seriously.
Mental Illness sucks! And we are all mentally ill here so lets just stop this and be supportive.
Which has a better prognosis?
Which category should it fit in?
blah, blah, blah...
How many of those Professionals HAVE these disorders and know what they feel like? How can they say for sure WHAT we are and WHAT we feel?
Drug us up, thats all they want to do.
YAY, now we are all better, what an AWESOME prognosis.
We arent all American either and in Canada, my treatment is covered REGARDLESS of whether I am BPD BP or on LSD. And I am SO glad I am in Canada where no matter what I can be taken care of.
I have weekly group therapy for DBT, twice monthly one on one therapy with a therapist and once monthly with my Psych.
And your last paragraph above was just RUDE!
That's just picking fights and in fact this whole thread of yours seems like a 'hmm, I'm in a mood, I'm going to cause some sh**' --- Your attitude is one of 'I am better than you' or at least it seems to really come across that way in this thread, the way you answer us, the way you present yourself.
Man... I feel all sorts of mean coming out and so I'm just gonna bail.
BUH BYE

I hope it stays in the UK as they do tend to more more emotional any way (my opinion of course)

The UK approaches psychology in many different ways then the US. I would not be able to get the meds that work best for me if I lived in the UK because they seem to think differently. I am most grateful for being in the USA for one more reason

A lot of generalisations here but at this point in the thread i wonder whether it's worth highlighting anymore.

However, i'm inclined to point out that three years ago, the US was ranked below the UK for healthcare standards, and if I recall correctly from the WHO report 13 years ago, the same was considered then.

The Commonwealth Fund -- Health Policy, Health Reform, and Performance Improvement

I personally have been dissapointed about not yet getting adequate help (MBT will become more widely established sooner or later) for something that apparently affects less than 1% of the population (according to Mental Health - Mind, The Mental Health Charity - Mind) But luckily i have been given social housing that's completely paid for, money to live on, free medication (and in my case free prescription charges as well) free glasses, free dentistry and of course free physical/mental health care. It may not be totally perfect but then I've also got three main conditions that are all life long, took time to be diagnosed due to non classical presentation and are extremely difficult to treat with the exception of one that is untreatable. We all moan from time to time about being let down and whatever shortfalls we might have come across - but we can also be fiercely defensive of the whole. And on the whole, i'm most greatful for being in the UK for very many reasons

If I recall rightly, one of your initial posts explained that you were unsure of your diagnosis. Maybe it would be better to focus on establishing what that is rather than trying to redefine a condition you might not actually have.

Well, well, well, all one has to do is look at the last two posts to see who trying to pick fights lol.

I really could care less what your opinion of me is or what u think I'm trying to do here. If your not capable for reading and following a whole thread that is no concern of mine. Nor do I care how you feel about the few times I do give my opinion on some thing and even note it is only my opinion. All I can says if u don't like reading my posts, put me on your ignore list, but don't fing pretend to know any thing about me or accuse me of trying to pick fights. I do not go in other peoples threads and pick fights with them, misquote them diagnose them or pretend I know any thing about them. Instead what I do even when I fing disagree with them is show common cutesy because it is not my thread. PUT ME ON YOUR Fing ignore list if u don't like my posts, but keep your smart @ss remarks to yourself otherwise. I am entitled to my opinions too and frankly I do hope UK's name for BPD stays in the UK. My opinion. Don't like it? TFB.

I am aware who the usual offenders are.

Oh btw, this was the nicest version reply I could come up with. The picking fight accusation really pissed me off, trust me, you would know if I was trying to pick a fight! Damn, some people have their nerve making accusations about some one. In their own thread no less. That is called thread bashing in every freaking forum I belong to. Check my fing posts in other people's threads, always supportive, polite. Damn this has me upset. I gotta take a break before I say too much.

Spockette in case u didn't notice, my diagnosis was not the topic of this thread. Maybe u should focus more on topic and not worry what my diagnosis is or is not? Just saying.

Earlier I posted my thoughts on this and I still stand by my "for shits and giggles" comment. It was VERY obvious to me from the start this thread is a huge load of BS and the trigger warning was a cop out to cover someone's butt.

I certainly will be watching for threads from those who have bashed my thread. I'd love to see how they like their thread trashed as they trashed mine. My guess is they will cry and complain to the mods. I will not tolerate any one trashing my thread. Note that.

Sure hope u all that are trying to trash my thread understand that works both ways lmfao

Errr what??? We are more emotional here? How so?

Oh grow up FFS. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Not even gonna comment about the UK statements as I will get angry

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at this point this thread is being closed due to unsupportive posting