Professor's Anti-Borderline Hate Speech. I shut her up nice!

crosstobear · Nov 17, 2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dancinglady

I think my previous post explained my experience. You seem in one of your posts to pain them all white with the loving caring and nurturing. I am just letting others know my experience. Every time I come on here I am criticized about my opinion. I thought u stated u were loving caring and nurturing not confronting. Oh that is right you confronted your teacher my bad.

I'm not painting them white. I'm sorry you feel that way about me, its not at all how I'm intending to come across like. I also think you may be misreading my posts and this may come from you being triggered by the subject. Again, I'm sorry. I don't know you or your previous posts, but I appreciate your input and hope you don't see me as one of the people who gives you ****.

crosstobear · Nov 17, 2015, 10:57 AM

What I meant is that on a case by case basis, this professor seemed to have entered the field for good reasons and just burned out dealing with BPD clients. Sorry I miswrote. But also- clinicians don't really make that much at all. In fact the responsibilities of the job are too much often compared to the pay. I'm sure some clinicians aren't in it for the right reasons but that's a human issue in general and not just pertaining to clinicians. I'm not trying to invalidate your POV.

crosstobear · Nov 17, 2015, 10:59 AM

Anyway- the professor emailed me this morning saying I actually taught her and she admitted to being ignorant. She yielded and said no one she taught went out of their way to teach her. Booyah.

Guys don't ever be afraid to stand up to injustice!

Fuzzybear · Nov 17, 2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by crosstobear

Anyway- the professor emailed me this morning saying I actually taught her and she admitted to being ignorant. She yielded and said no one she taught went out of their way to teach her. Booyah.

Guys don't ever be afraid to stand up to injustice!

Atypical_Disaster · Nov 17, 2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crosstobear

Anyway- the professor emailed me this morning saying I actually taught her and she admitted to being ignorant. She yielded and said no one she taught went out of their way to teach her. Booyah.

Guys don't ever be afraid to stand up to injustice!

Hell yeah!

dancinglady · Nov 17, 2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crosstobear

So I have a class (I'm in clinical social work school) where we talked about paraphilias. My professor is a bit of a dogmatic person and explained that people with BPD personalities are prone to paraphilias.

Then she went off an a completely unprofessional tirade warning us about "borderlines". Seemed she had an axe to grind. Asked what they are characterized by. I raised my hand.

"Fears of abandonment. Black and white thinking. Splitting. Intense relationships. Alternating self-esteem. Dissociation and brief psychosis" and she said "No."

She went on to say BPD is characterized by "lack of conscience. Extreme self-centeredness. No empathy. Lying, manipulation, conning. Projection and blaming others. Guilt tripping." Then she went on to say "These people are bad people. Untreatable. I'm warning you all, save yourself the headache and don't treat them. They are a lost cause."

So I raised my hand again and asked her if she thinks there's a connection between paraphilias and Antisocial Personality Disorder, since she has made the connection with BPD (see what I'm setting her up for, here?)...

She said "Good you asked. You see- Borderline Personality Disorder used to be called Psychopathy. Then Sociopathy. Then Antisocial Personality Disorder. Now it's called Borderline Personality Disorder."

I interjected- "Beg to differ. The DSM-V, DSM-IV, DSM-III, indicate that they are mutually exclusive. Yes, they are both Cluster B. But one is about attachment, abandonment, neglect and trauma, while the other is about a lack of conscience and lack of emotional depth. Borderline and Antisocial are different, have different etiologies, different prognoses, and are just, entirely different disorders. I can bring in mountains of evidence to illustrate that, and I urge you to also bring in evidence for your claim."

"I'm sorry I offended you by my opinion, but you see, Antisocial, Narcissistic, etc all are part of Borderline Personality Disorder"

"Professor, I think I'll agree to disagree. By the way- there's a mountain of research indicating very high recovery rates for people being treated for BPD. In fact, moreso than recovery from Major Depression. You know Linehan?"

"Yes, she's the expert on BPD"

"Exactly. She's a borderline herself. A recovered borderline. Her therapy has a 94% success rate. As social workers we believe firmly that the client knows his or her situation best. I think Linehan's ability to know herself led to her therapy being extremely effective in treating this disorder. Furthermore, schema therapy also has a success rate in the 90th percentile. Some even make a case for psychoanalysis, because BPD is more or less a vague umbrella term used by psychiatrists to label people who have too much trauma to be effective treated in a fast-paced, managed care health system. Believe me, I empathize with the frustration in dealing with clients who have BPD. I've treated them myself and can understand. However, it's one of the only treatable personality disorders and after 5 years, almost 80% are treated effectively to the point where they no longer display all criteria. Also, Borderline Personality Disorder comes along a spectrum and is often overdiagnosed. Many people with anxious attachments and mood disorders get mislabeled. Many people with traumatic pasts or complex PTSD get mislabeled. Psychiatry isn't exactly a science. As social workers we also fundamentally believe in the inevitable change of persons over time. There's research indicating that BPD can occur in "phases" and mellows out. I'll bring in some books next week."

BAM!

If you really want to help focus your practice on older BPD sufferers. Go to nursing homes, assisted living homes, retirement communities and treat those BPD victims. Most of the time everyone becomes a therapist and only works with 20 year olds. We are left with no one to help us. That leaves us with the ineffective therapists like your professor.

lavendersage · Nov 17, 2015, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crosstobear

Anyway- the professor emailed me this morning saying I actually taught her and she admitted to being ignorant. She yielded and said no one she taught went out of their way to teach her. Booyah.

Guys don't ever be afraid to stand up to injustice!

Boo-yah!, right on, CTB. This made my day!

DBTDiva · Nov 18, 2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dancinglady

If you really want to help focus your practice on older BPD sufferers. Go to nursing homes, assisted living homes, retirement communities and treat those BPD victims. Most of the time everyone becomes a therapist and only works with 20 year olds. We are left with no one to help us. That leaves us with the ineffective therapists like your professor.

Everything I keep reading that is geared toward professionals has said for the last 5 years or so that geriatrics is the fastest growing field and that there is a need for more providers to be trained and specialize. Hopefully more people will recognize that need, although it would be great if people who had more experience would choose to get some updated training because I doubt some 21 year old kid straight out of grad school is going to have any concept of how to work with someone in a nursing home. Book learning is one thing, life experience is just as necessary.

crosstobear · Nov 18, 2015, 02:28 PM

Lol, I'm 28 and have been in the field roughly 5 years as a bachelor level clinician. Lots of us going into geriatrics. Personally, that area is too close to home for me. I mainly deal with MH and substance abuse in youth and adults.

crosstobear · Nov 19, 2015, 08:33 AM

Understandable, but BPD isn't impossible to treat. There are individual differences and factors that contribute to resilience.

shakespeare47 · 10:01 AM

The counselor I was with for several years mentioned BPD and NPD as possible diagnoses. He also mentioned that many counselors don't like to treat people with BPD (and implied as much for NPD), but I got the sense it was more of an issue with specific behaviors, rather than a judgment of all people with BPD and NPD traits. It did come across as something of a threat, or maybe a warning. Like he was saying "if you get too out of hand, I'm going to drop you, and not everyone will even deal with the people with BPD and NPD traits".

But, yeah, what your professor did was unprofessional. And it's good to know that success is a real possibility.

winter4me · Nov 19, 2015, 08:53 AM

And so, now this professor can turn around and teach others what she herself has learned...this is the way the darkness parts, one mind at a time.
It is a beautiful thing.

DBTDiva · 10:09 PM

You say if your social worker had BPD you would run, yet then say she doesn't know what to do with you. Who's supposed to help people then? Those with mental illness or without? I have never known if any if my therapists or doctors have experienced depression, anxiety, etc nor should I. Professionals in the helping field are there to help, not to tell you about their own issues. I do think that someone who has experience with mental illness is a better counselor/therapist - whether that is personal experience, having a family member or close friend, etc. 1 in 4 adult americans is dealing with depression and/or anxiety. None of my diagnoses are something that effect my clients in any way other than having a better understanding of what it's like to be a stigmatized individual in today's society. Dr. Linehan, the person who developed DBT has BPD, and I'd certainly not turn down a chance to have her be my therapist if I had the opportunity!

Professional training and career have little effect on mental illness, it is an illness. A degree is not a substitution for treatment. Doctors, lawyers, all sorts of professional people attempt and complete suicide. I am sorry to hear about your friend.

Fuzzybear · Nov 19, 2015, 01:48 PM

Fuzzybear · Nov 19, 2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by winter4me

And so, now this professor can turn around and teach others what she herself has learned...this is the way the darkness parts, one mind at a time.
It is a beautiful thing.

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