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Old Oct 09, 2008, 07:59 AM
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No matter what the topic or the level of conversation, whatever I say is wrong according to everyone else. Pick a subject. It doesn't matter what it is. If I have an opinion, I'm wrong.

If I try to argue the point, I'm wrong.

So, I now say things one time. If others disagree, that's their screwed up thinking. Even if I have the facts even if I know absolutely that I'm right, I just shut up. I've gotten to the point where I just don't care if they think I'm wrong.

All of this kind of feeds into my not wanting to be in conversation anyway. Let the talk swirl around me in my silence. I just keep my mouth shut since everything I have to say is wrong anyway.

It felt better before I realized that this kind of thinking is coming out of PTSD. I really feel like I should return to that realm of ignorance and quit trying to leave it behind. The bazaar behavior without understanding was easier than the memories and the thinking that something is wrong with me.

Let me go back in my shell of anger and rage. Leave my thoughts alone. Bury the memories. Put them back in their little boxes and nail the lid shut.

I once thought that the telling of secrets had released the pressure on me, but I now think that the new found memories and the telling is making things worse.

Over the years people have developed this expectation of me and I can fit right back into that groove very easily. Silent. Angry. Wrong thinking. Volatile. Touch with care.
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Old Oct 09, 2008, 08:23 AM
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Hi Troy, many people that you enter a conversation with think that they are right and don't want to listen to another side especially if the topic is loaded. It is a person of higher development who can move past that and be able to listen to a different side without wanting to try to squelch it out. I think people must feel threatened with different ideas? I found that I can influence people to be a little more open minded by listening to their ideas first and telling them where I do agree with them plus reminding them that we only have to listen and discuss not try to win each other over to the other side.
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Old Oct 09, 2008, 09:09 AM
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Exactly, Sannah ... 100% right. I'm not even talking about loaded conversations. Simple stuff. Everyday conversation. If I'm open minded, I'm wrong anyway.

Thanks for the note.
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Hi Troy, many people that you enter a conversation with think that they are right and don't want to listen to another side especially if the topic is loaded. It is a person of higher development who can move past that and be able to listen to a different side without wanting to try to squelch it out. I think people must feel threatened with different ideas? I found that I can influence people to be a little more open minded by listening to their ideas first and telling them where I do agree with them plus reminding them that we only have to listen and discuss not try to win each other over to the other side.
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Old Oct 09, 2008, 07:02 PM
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If I'm open minded, I'm wrong anyway.
Yes, because their minds aren't open. But this doesn't make you wrong unless you see it through their eyes.....
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Old Oct 09, 2008, 07:31 PM
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You're still right - excellent understanding of this -- but don't you just get fed up with hearing that you're wrong all the time?!!!
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Old Oct 10, 2008, 08:40 AM
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If someone thinks that I am wrong all of the time why would I spend time with someone like that? If they think that I am wrong all the time then we aren't the same kind of people and we shouldn't be friends. Friends have things in common. These kinds of people also wouldn't be meeting my needs very well. I need to get my basic needs met (I'm not talking about self-centeredness here).
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Old Oct 11, 2008, 05:05 PM
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I know exactly how you feel about having everyone telling you that you're wrong. I get it from my bf, my family,etc. They're the ones who are wrong. No one is wrong 100% of the time. That's impossible. Are these people fellow PTSD sufferers? If they aren't, they'll never get it because they've never lived it. I go to a church called Unity&they're real big on self improvement. But if you say one negative word, or tell anyone that you're having mental problems, you're either shunned or told that everything bad that's EVER happened to you is YOUR fault. Talk about screwed up! I'd look up on meetup.com for local support groups for whatever you diagnosis is&you'll usually find a group that's a support group for that problem. It's helped me immensely to hear from others "I hear you, I agree, what coping skills do you have when dealing with "sane" people? etc." You're not the only one who gets this crap from "sane" people. They just tend to ride their high horse&consider you "less than" because you've x condition. Screw them! They don't deserve your company or to hear your thoughts. What they're doing is disrespectful&inconsiderate-you don't need that when you've got PTSD. Have you heard about the 7 stages of grieving? It's a good explaination for your mood changes right now-it can be cathartic just to know about them&to know that the "sane" people feel the same way when the right situation presents itself.
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No matter what the topic or the level of conversation, whatever I say is wrong according to everyone else. Pick a subject. It doesn't matter what it is. If I have an opinion, I'm wrong.

If I try to argue the point, I'm wrong.

So, I now say things one time. If others disagree, that's their screwed up thinking. Even if I have the facts even if I know absolutely that I'm right, I just shut up. I've gotten to the point where I just don't care if they think I'm wrong.

All of this kind of feeds into my not wanting to be in conversation anyway. Let the talk swirl around me in my silence. I just keep my mouth shut since everything I have to say is wrong anyway.

It felt better before I realized that this kind of thinking is coming out of PTSD. I really feel like I should return to that realm of ignorance and quit trying to leave it behind. The bazaar behavior without understanding was easier than the memories and the thinking that something is wrong with me.

Let me go back in my shell of anger and rage. Leave my thoughts alone. Bury the memories. Put them back in their little boxes and nail the lid shut.

I once thought that the telling of secrets had released the pressure on me, but I now think that the new found memories and the telling is making things worse.

Over the years people have developed this expectation of me and I can fit right back into that groove very easily. Silent. Angry. Wrong thinking. Volatile. Touch with care.
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Old Oct 25, 2008, 08:39 PM
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no one can be wrong all the time i also feel like i am usuly wrong almost every second of the day but then my friend s tell ,me that i can't always
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