honestly had no idea where to put this. it's been a weird week. hard week. some things got better, some things got worse. i don't really know. hoping tomorrow will be better. going home finally and then going out to go shopping and have a coffee or something.

anyways.

my therapist had an issue with this the time i brought it up and i'm having trouble seeing why. it really does depress me and almost bore me, to sit back and see how corrupt and vile the world really seems to be...

is it okay to hate humankind as a species? to hate humans and not want to be one?

humanity is just another species in the world, if i were to say "i hate spiders" no one would take issue. is the reason why it's 'wrong' because i'm human and i can't hate my own species? is it even wrong? some people are okay and nice, sure, but the majority don't seem it.

people always say someone sadistic and cruel is primal or animal-like... it always offends me. i've only been hurt by humans. when humans betrayed me, i had my dogs, i didn't see them betray me for gain or fun...

i don't know

[lynn P.]

Hi,
I agree that the world does sometimes seem corrupt and how disappointing that must be. I sometimes feel like common politeness dosn't exist anymore and societies moral standards are becoming lowered. I don't think it's good though to hate, because feeling hate isn't healthy for you - it releases stress hormones, cortisol and andrenalin. I think some of these feelings are derived from an inability to relate to the people around you - you feel different. When I was a teenager, I couldn't relate to the kids who were dating and doing drugs.
If you want to improve and move away from the hate feelings - then I think a good way, is through volunteering for something you believe in. Have you been hurt by people and that's why you've given up on them? I hope not. I do understand though how you could feel this way. All the best.

[Rohag]

Originally Posted by Griffe

i've only been hurt by humans. when humans betrayed me, i had my dogs, i didn't see them betray me for gain or fun...

Reminds me of a couple quotes:

Man is a wolf to man. - Roman saying from about the third century BC

If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die, I don't want to go to heaven. I want to go where the dogs went. - Will Rogers

[Fuzzybear]

((((((((((((((((( Griffe )))))))))))))))))

[perhapsbelligerent]

i tend to expect the worse out of human kind too.

people tend to let me down 9 times out 10. if i expect someone to do something that could possibly hurt me, it usually happens. none of my pets ive had in my life have ever even remotely hurt me in anyway, except dying, and well that's just nature.

and that's a really bad view i have in my life that causes me grief. just about every therapist ive had labels this as a "trust issue" and blames it for my lack of opening up to people, and developing any deep relationship.

and im lonely, so their probably right.

i try quite a bit too see the good in people, there is some good in everyone. I know, i was in prison with rapists and murders before, and they all have families they love and care for. no one is pure evil.

but as a probable defense mechanism, i usually just see how the person could hurt me. and that's usually reinforced by events that happen over and over, giving more credit to the view i try to shrug off.

people hurt people. what can i say?

[MisanthropicOne]

Misanthropy is a general dislike, distrust, or hatred of the human species or a disposition to dislike and/or distrust other people's silent consensus about reality. The word comes from the Greek words μίσος (misos, "hatred") and άνθρωπος ( anthrōpos, "man, human being"). A misanthrope is a person who dislikes or distrusts humanity as a general rule.

While misanthropes express a general dislike for humanity on the whole, they generally have normal relationships with specific people. Misanthropy may be motivated by feelings of isolation or social alienation, or simply contempt for the prevailing characteristics of humanity.
Misanthropy is commonly misinterpreted and distorted as a widespread and individualized hatred of humans. Because of this, a great number of false negative tie-ins are often associated with the term. An extreme misanthrope may indeed hate the human species generally, but it does not necessarily entail psychopathy. Misanthropes can hold normal and intimate relationships with people, but they will often be very few and far between. They will typically be very selective with whom they choose to associate. This is also where their aversion is most prevalent, because their perspective shows an overriding contempt towards common human faults and weaknesses in others and, in some cases, themselves.

It is because of that aversion that most misanthropes will often be categorized as loners, living in seclusion. They generally will not find solace or effective functioning in society as a result of their perspective. However, effectively functioning in society has little or no value to the misanthrope, and the prospect of fitting into their culture seems to them like idiocy.

Misanthropy can often be characterized as disillusionment with what is perceived to be Man or human nature. The misanthrope, having grown to expect Man to assume a romantic and simplistic ideal, is consistently confronted with conflicting evidence. On the other hand, the object of a misanthrope's dislike may be a pervasive culture which is perceived as denying human nature wherein in participants do not fully evince said nature. In both cases, the misanthrope views himself as somehow distinct from a majority of the human species.

Overt expressions of misanthropy are common in satire and comedy, although intense misanthropy is generally rare. Subtler expressions are far more common, especially for those pointing out the shortcomings of humanity.

Some philosophers view humanity as a futile, self-destructive species.

The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer was almost certainly as famously misanthropic as his reputation. He wrote, "Human existence must be a kind of error." Schopenhauer concluded, in fact, that ethical treatment of others was the best attitude, for we are all fellow sufferers and all part of the same will to live. He also discussed suicide with a sympathetic understanding which was rare in his own time, when it was largely a taboo subject. However, his metaphysics ultimately led him to conclude that suicide was no escape from the suffering of the world. He claimed that the world was one side representation—how we perceived it—and one side will—the underlying indivisible metaphysical matter that was the basis of existence. Because suicide does not allow one to escape from the will (from which all suffering proceeds), it is pointless to kill oneself. Schopenhauer instead suggests aesthetic enjoyment as the only escape from the suffering of the world. This would be along the lines of the cathartic release points of Mozart's Requiem, or the charmingly mysterious smile of the Mona Lisa. He also offers an escape from suffering through compassion; however, he believed that very few are capable of reaching this state, and those who do reach it have rejected their humanity (further demonstrating his misanthropy).

[nowheretorun]

Griffe, i think that when we close our views down to only the negative, we will see only negative.. when we expand our thinking we can see the good around us and realize that there are great numbers of people who contribute daily towards the betterment of society.. it seems that with a strong dislike of humans because of supposed harms and wrongs perpetrated by the few, one would choose to be on the team they wanted to survive with contributions of hope and help doesnt it? describing humans as a waste of breath and space lends a hand to those you oppose, cant you see how you are actually helping them when you give in to this kind of thinking? i will keep praying for your eventual understanding of how we sometimes create the very thing we are trying so hard to escape from and wish you healing

Originally Posted by Griffe

honestly had no idea where to put this. it's been a weird week. hard week. some things got better, some things got worse. i don't really know. hoping tomorrow will be better. going home finally and then going out to go shopping and have a coffee or something.

anyways.

my therapist had an issue with this the time i brought it up and i'm having trouble seeing why. it really does depress me and almost bore me, to sit back and see how corrupt and vile the world really seems to be...

is it okay to hate humankind as a species? to hate humans and not want to be one?

humanity is just another species in the world, if i were to say "i hate spiders" no one would take issue. is the reason why it's 'wrong' because i'm human and i can't hate my own species? is it even wrong? some people are okay and nice, sure, but the majority don't seem it.

people always say someone sadistic and cruel is primal or animal-like... it always offends me. i've only been hurt by humans. when humans betrayed me, i had my dogs, i didn't see them betray me for gain or fun...

i don't know

griffe with out ppl the human race none of us would be here. There are such wonderful ppl out there. Kind and good hearted,.
hating takes so much more engery than love and kindness.
I hope you can connect with some good kind ppl so you can see what a gift life is ..
take care of you

[kebsfroggy]

((( Griffe ))), you have every right to “hate humankind as a species” and I can understand the frustration and disappointment that has led you to this conclusion. I being a frog of little brain can understand completely.

There are times I’m thoroughly overwhelmed by the sheer number of inconsiderate, self-centered, uncaring people in this world. When you are down they would rather tromp you into the ground than offer you a helping hand.

Many believe you must have inner peace before you can find the good in those around you. This may be true but this frog of little brain cannot say for sure.

I have learned that I must seek out the kind, understanding humans of this world. They will not know I exist if I isolate myself and stay hidden on my lily pad.

It won’t be an easy task. I will have to venture out from my safe place and risk being hurt again. However, finding that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is worth the journey.

If only to be considered your friend, I am so glad I'm a frog of little brain.



kebs

[pegasus]

((((((((( Griffe )))))))))

I totally understand why you hate humans. You were seriously mistreated as a child and only had your dog that you could rely on. I know you have been through a lot and I can see where you are coming from. But not all humans are like your abusers, there are many many good people in the world and they outweigh the bad. What you are going through right now is very normal and natural for what you have been through. The realization of what exactly you went through. Yes that makes us angry with the world and human kind. Why didn't somebody save me?! But the thing is you survived and as an adult you can gradually learn to trust people. People that want to help you. People that truly care. Good people, and you'll see that you are indeed one of those good people too.