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Unhappy Apr 02, 2014 at 11:58 AM
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Meh,

Had an exhausting day with a number of issues arising that were not my fault but impacted on my work (the biggest 'bad' was the company was hit hard by a high value fraudulent transaction) in so much as demonstrating despite the controls I put in place (my current job is as a credit controller.... fun ) others in management positions bypass me and then go 'oooh well, I didn't know that could happen' when things go tits up... the kind you just want to slap and ask why the hell they are paid so much when they demonstrate such stupidity (I don't care for their wage, don't want the stress that would come with that right now... but I can tolerate incompetence from those who in all fairness aren't expected to know better).

Gave my recommendations for avoiding this kind of situation again (biggest being running things by me first perhaps, as it's my job to consider 'risk')... but just felt like I was wasting my breath.

And then one of the few people I actually like went and got himself suspended from work today due to losing his temper and going for another manager who is on his level 'responsibility' wise.

I think that hit me hardest as I know him well enough to know this will be the last straw for him and he's likely to be looking for another job as we speak

None of the above actually has any effect on me directly... but that doesn't stop the empty and heavy feeling I have right now.

So yeah, piss poor day

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I am sorry TJ that you are having a **** day. I hope tomorrow will be better for you.

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(((((((( TJ ))))))))
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Isn't it funny how "often" the most imcomptant morons are running the show in large companies, government agencies. Often they are socialites and nothing more. They offer no nurturing of the team or tutoring and mentoring of the individuals they work most closely with.

Hang in there. I been fired from over 40 jobs in 25 years - Your still working and the stress you received might be good (hear me out). How long have you had your job? Any threat of losing it? Hang in there and work your best and blow them off at some point one of them may screw up so bad you will get the promotion! Best wishes, Good Day!
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TJ Sorry you have had such a bad day. I can understand why it bothered you. Internal termoil of any kind can through my day off, especially if it includes a friend. Hope tomorrow it better.

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Are you familiar with Scott Adams' Dilbert cartoons?

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Are you familiar with Scott Adams' Dilbert cartoons?
Oh yes! Until your in an office environment you don't really understand. Great comic series.
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How many stories did we hear after the big banking collapse in 2007 2008, that effected the UK, the US and Europe, that upper management didn't listen at all to the risk managers. The risk managers were screaming about all these real estate derivatives and so on and no one listened to them.

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Isn't it funny how "often" the most imcomptant morons are running the show in large companies, government agencies. Often they are socialites and nothing more. They offer no nurturing of the team or tutoring and mentoring of the individuals they work most closely with.

Hang in there. I been fired from over 40 jobs in 25 years - Your still working and the stress you received might be good (hear me out). How long have you had your job? Any threat of losing it? Hang in there and work your best and blow them off at some point one of them may screw up so bad you will get the promotion! Best wishes, Good Day!
In my 6th year at the moment, and I think (touch wood) it's relatively secure for now. I'm pretty diplomatic so I avoid big fights or letting my ego (non existent anyway) get in the way.

For the time being, it's a means to an end... looking for solutions (while trying to not let my depression mess things up spectacularly) to get out of the situation of working for others or in an office environment... but for now, it keeps the money coming in.

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Kind of... never really understood it at the time of reading... but that was many years ago.

Are there any particularly good ones?.

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Are there any particularly good ones?.
I liked the book/cartoon anthology called Dogbert's Top Secret Management Handbook.

Example:
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Sarcastic Engineer: "Why don't you delete files to lower the weight..."
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You can also find the animated series on kickasstorrents website. Just google "kick *** torrents"
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How many stories did we hear after the big banking collapse in 2007 2008, that effected the UK, the US and Europe, that upper management didn't listen at all to the risk managers. The risk managers were screaming about all these real estate derivatives and so on and no one listened to them.
I think (from personal observation) that people who deal with risk are often considered over zealous and very pessimistic… and I know I’ve been accused of not seeing the bigger picture… i.e. needing sales for the company to survive.

On the flip side, when we mutter ‘a sale is only a sale once the money is securely paid into the bank’ you’re essentially talking to yourself as they’ve buggered off by that point or closed their mind to any further discussion

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Ironically the whole thing that happened to my friend has bridged (very very early stages... not holding my breath) the gap between a guy that over the past 3 months I've been on 'no talking' terms with... mutual thing, he seriously pissed me off... which in turn led to me exploding at him.

We have it in common that we like the same bloke, so I took the leap and chatted to him about our mate and as a gesture of goodwill asked his advice on the matter of sending a tentative text to our mate just to let him know I'm thinking of him. Advised to perhaps leave it till tomorrow as he's not been in touch with anyone and is no doubt still seething.

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Well damn. One of the directors let slip (not intentional, he’s just very amenable and forgets who he is talking to) that he needs to get my mates keys when he comes back in on Monday.

Quick 1+1=2 scenario meaning he’s going to be fired. Pissed off and upset… I acknowledge it’s his own fault and I’m not trying to devalue the impact and fear of god he put into the other manager… or his work collegue who interceded and pulled him away… but damn… just goes to show that however many years of good work, service and general attitude can be for nought due to one minute of rage brought on by stress.

Had sent him a string of texts earlier today to just say that I hoped he was alright and was thinking of him (which he replied back with thanks and that he’d see me on Monday). I know better than to give him a heads up as that could mean my job too (frustration and feeling a bit cowardly)… so yeah, put a crimp on my day

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Quick 1+1=2 scenario...just goes to show that however many years of good work, service and general attitude can be for nought due to one minute of rage brought on by stress.
I'm sorry.

I'm asking myself: is the moment of rage a sufficient explanation for the termination? What purpose - or, whose purposes - does this termination serve? Forgive me; incidents such as this bring out my cynicism.

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I'm sorry.

I'm asking myself: is the moment of rage a sufficient explanation for the termination? What purpose - or, whose purposes - does this termination serve? Forgive me; incidents such as this bring out my cynicism.

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Hey Toejam,

This happened only once to me. I worked for a company for about a year and I too got fired as the company was closing shop but fired all of us to stop us from getting unemployment insurance. Greed is king you know and fraud is just another "F" word any more.

So the guy I worked with built the department we worked in and was the manager of it. We specialized in high end security equipment that was custom built and maintained by our group. One day he was expressing that he didn't understand why management was out playing golf one day when they were supposed to be meeting with a large customer and maintain a contract with them. We lost that contract due to the boss's blowing off the meeting with the customer. He was fired a week later just for expressing concern about our livelihoods.

I was then made furious a month later when one of the bosses walks over and starts complaining about my previous manager and saying things like "he should have known his place." I said "well we are are all concerned about everyone leaving the company and seeing the loss happening." The boss replied "you should know your place too." He walks away and this was a Tuesday morning. That Friday I was fired for "not paying attention to my work and customer complaints." Nice right?

I will never understand my life, this world and human suffering.
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I'm sorry.

I'm asking myself: is the moment of rage a sufficient explanation for the termination? What purpose - or, whose purposes - does this termination serve? Forgive me; incidents such as this bring out my cynicism.
Part of me knows it was the most likely outcome. My mate has been known for having a no bs policy (probably why I like him) but he is not averse to being physical if words are no longer adequate (not seen him actually lose his temper before though and nor has he gone to actually punch someone). In most situations (if physical conflict can ever be justified) he has had a point... but that hasn't stopped him being warned for it.

This time was a lot more serious and from the business point of view I guess it boils down to 'safety at work'... if people are physically intimidated by others and it is not addressed... then the company could be opening itself up to all kinds of problems as per the law. Bare in mind, this guy is built like a tank too... which doesn't really help. Short, but compact like a British bulldog.

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With that being said, I personally think it's been a top down f up. The guy has had a general build up of responsibilities and has been shot down when he has addressed any concerns with the ability of the staff under him... as such over the last couple of months he has had that frayed look about him... like he's juggling too many balls and his tolerance levels have dropped dramatically.

Something was going to break... and it did.

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... The guy has had a general build up of responsibilities and has been shot down when he has addressed any concerns with the ability of the staff under him... as such over the last couple of months he has had that frayed look about him... like he's juggling too many balls and his tolerance levels have dropped dramatically.

Something was going to break... and it did.
You are a keen, competent observer and reporter (which can be both a blessing and a curse, but that's another subject).

A regrettable incident. I hope the fallout affects you as little as possible.

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You are a keen, competent observer and reporter (which can be both a blessing and a curse, but that's another subject).

A regrettable incident. I hope the fallout affects you as little as possible.
Heh, yeah I know what you mean. When things are on the steady side (re depression and what ever other crap is going on)... it can be a handy asset to have... Certainly helps me to gauge situations and recognise how to interact with others amicably. When things aren't so steady, can be very hit and miss and my radar is all over the place (throw in a heavy mix of hyper sensitivity.... fun fun fun).

More concerned for him... though, I think he'll be alright. Just another product of a negative work environment... and if anything it'll probably be good for him to be out of it... provided he lands on his feet.

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