[little turtle]

there is an important ted talk by brene brown----------LISTENING TO SHAME..
I thought it was helpful for my depression...she also talks with oprah about SHAME IS LETHAL
there needs to be more talk here about human beings and not about what drug to take...we need some hope here...

this is so important for me because I am so ashamed of having broken down in 1973....I ran away from my real problems....instead I went on anti-depressants...

[Crypts_Of_The_Mind]

Originally Posted by little turtle

there is an important ted talk by brene brown----------LISTENING TO SHAME..
I thought it was helpful for my depression...she also talks with oprah about SHAME IS LETHAL
there needs to be more talk here about human beings and not about what drug to take...we need some hope here...

this is so important for me because I am so ashamed of having broken down in 1973....I ran away from my real problems....instead I went on anti-depressants...

I do think too many ppl are given "a magic pill" treatment - and that's what people have come to expect and accept as "treatment". I still believe for MOST things that while meds or a holistic form of therapy treatment may be necessary for stabilization, that for true healing one needs to work on making one's environment healthier both inside and outside the "self" once stabilization has been achieved.

Francesca Battistelli - Free To Be Me (Official Video)

PS We think you're great Little Turtle!!

[Fuzzybear]

Originally Posted by little turtle

there is an important ted talk by brene brown----------LISTENING TO SHAME..
I thought it was helpful for my depression...she also talks with oprah about SHAME IS LETHAL
there needs to be more talk here about human beings and not about what drug to take...we need some hope here...

this is so important for me because I am so ashamed of having broken down in 1973....I ran away from my real problems....instead I went on anti-depressants...

Thank you for sharing this little turtle

I agree that shame can be lethal

Thank you for speaking your truth here ..

I was "encouraged" to go on "meds" .. having been shamed by a "doctor" and a "therapist" ..

Eventually my body decided it would no longer tolerate those meds (SSRI's) or other SSRI's or other classes of psych meds

Thank you for opening up the discussion here beyond what is often offered by the "medical
establishment" out there...

(Not about anyone on pc)

[little turtle]

Originally Posted by Hopingtrying

Francesca Battistelli - Free To Be Me (Official Video)

PS We think you're great Little Turtle!!

thanks...to be truthful I think I am a failure because of my mental illness...I wish I didn't feel that way but it is deep inside... that stigma...no one can take me down more than I do to myself...

[Fuzzybear]

Originally Posted by little turtle

thanks...to be truthful I think I am a failure because of my mental illness...I wish I didn't feel that way but it is deep inside... that stigma...no one can take me down more than I do to myself...

I'm a "failure" too.. all "failures" are welcome here (imo)


Who is the original offerer (or forcer ) of this Toxic Shame?

Are babies born feeling ashamed?

Originally Posted by little turtle

there needs to be more talk here about human beings and not about what drug to take...we need some hope here...

^^^ T H I S ^^^ Couldn't agree more.

Me personally, i'm avoiding anti-depressants (had a bad reaction to lexapro) even though everybody wants me to "just take some meds". I'm going to try without. For now. For a while.

[GreenBlueRed]

Originally Posted by little turtle

thanks...to be truthful I think I am a failure because of my mental illness...I wish I didn't feel that way but it is deep inside... that stigma...no one can take me down more than I do to myself...

I felt this way for a very long time. It is not a good place to be.

My state improved dramatically after getting out of a bad environment and getting off medication. The medication was causing a lot of problems that I didn't fully realize until after the drugs were stopped (my mother's choice, not the doctor's). I was a child, and I was told directly that all my problems were because my brain was broken and only drugs could fix it. The drugs never worked, tried pill after pill, like I was an experiment that was always failing. I believed I was a broken, unfixable problem. Illness became an identity. I was a failure that could never be anything else.

When I realized this wasn't true, it took another decade to get over the anger and feelings of violation and betrayal by people that were supposed to help.

I am going to post an article here that gave me a lot of perspective. Maybe it will help others. It will definitely speak to how you feel here. It is about how the stigma of mental illness and how it is handled in different societies, and how it changes through time. I will post it in another thread in the next couple days.

[brianltb]

when you post it send me a private msg thxs

[little turtle]

Originally Posted by little turtle

there is an important ted talk by brene brown----------LISTENING TO SHAME..
I thought it was helpful for my depression...she also talks with oprah about SHAME IS LETHAL
there needs to be more talk here about human beings and not about what drug to take...we need some hope here...

this is so important for me because I am so ashamed of having broken down in 1973....I ran away from my real problems....instead I went on anti-depressants...

brene brown ted talk ---LISTENING TO SHAME
we are not bad persons....we have bad problems
we are not weak persons....we have disorders that are making us weak