[WePow]

Well, I just got back from the movies - went to watch Where the Wild Things Are. I thought it would just be a cute kids movie - which I love. So I was astounded to find it was actually a very smart child psychology film! Even more, it could be viewed as a Dissociative event!

Anyway, this movie shows in amazing clarity what it is like for me anyway when I was a child and dissociated. You don't know at the start what is really happening. Then you go inside and face the things you need to face. Then you know how to get home when it is safe for you and you made some sense of your world. I think most kids do this anyway, but with DID you just don't forget how to do it - or it is like we get stuck somehow and end up in splitsville. Either way, I was left going "WOW! SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT!" And esp with the whole anger part too!!! Having to face that inner rage.

I laughed so hard watching the boy howling. Yes. I did that when I was a teen. Alter Mick did it I think!! :-) It was like shouting with your soul into the night and letting the pain and anger escape out! My folks used to HATE it when I would go outside to howl like that!!

So if you are one who does like to watch movies that gently shows what is so hard to put into words- this one might be for you.

[reg12]

Hey thanks for the lead on a good movie.

Originally Posted by wpowers

Well, I just got back from the movies - went to watch Where the Wild Things Are. I thought it would just be a cute kids movie - which I love. So I was astounded to find it was actually a very smart child psychology film! Even more, it could be viewed as a Dissociative event!

Anyway, this movie shows in amazing clarity what it is like for me anyway when I was a child and dissociated. You don't know at the start what is really happening. Then you go inside and face the things you need to face. Then you know how to get home when it is safe for you and you made some sense of your world. I think most kids do this anyway, but with DID you just don't forget how to do it - or it is like we get stuck somehow and end up in splitsville. Either way, I was left going "WOW! SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT!" And esp with the whole anger part too!!! Having to face that inner rage.

I laughed so hard watching the boy howling. Yes. I did that when I was a teen. Alter Mick did it I think!! :-) It was like shouting with your soul into the night and letting the pain and anger escape out! My folks used to HATE it when I would go outside to howl like that!!

So if you are one who does like to watch movies that gently shows what is so hard to put into words- this one might be for you.

[Eriksplus]

Originally Posted by reg12

Hey thanks for the lead on a good movie.

the novel is good as well! Host remembers reading it!
(Kay)Erik

[phoenix7]

i wil def look out for it ta P7

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by wpowers

Well, I just got back from the movies - went to watch Where the Wild Things Are. I thought it would just be a cute kids movie - which I love. So I was astounded to find it was actually a very smart child psychology film! Even more, it could be viewed as a Dissociative event!

Anyway, this movie shows in amazing clarity what it is like for me anyway when I was a child and dissociated. You don't know at the start what is really happening. Then you go inside and face the things you need to face. Then you know how to get home when it is safe for you and you made some sense of your world. I think most kids do this anyway, but with DID you just don't forget how to do it - or it is like we get stuck somehow and end up in splitsville. Either way, I was left going "WOW! SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT!" And esp with the whole anger part too!!! Having to face that inner rage.

I laughed so hard watching the boy howling. Yes. I did that when I was a teen. Alter Mick did it I think!! :-) It was like shouting with your soul into the night and letting the pain and anger escape out! My folks used to HATE it when I would go outside to howl like that!!

So if you are one who does like to watch movies that gently shows what is so hard to put into words- this one might be for you.

I havent seen the movie yet but read the book many times. I didnt take the book as an example of a dissociative event. the boy wasnt under extreme abuse, he wasnt experiencing numbness or feeling like he wasnt real and wasnt feeling like things in his room werent real and he wasnt switching into alternate personalities. in the book it started with he was told to go to his room without dinner because he was mouthing off to his parent. the parent wasnt hitting him, beating on him, the parent wasnt sexually assaulting him or anythnig. he was just told to go to his room for mouthing off. then in his room he pretended he sailed across the sea not floating outside himself not floating and far away from himself. he pretended he had animal friends in far way lands. as far as I know dissociation doesnt include having imaginary friends. then when he smelled food and felt hungry he pretended he was sailing back over the sea leaving his imaginary friends and there in his room was his dinner where his parent had left it. I know that dissociation includes things like feeling numb not feeling things like feeling hungry and smelling dinner, one dissociative disorder specifically states there cant be imaginary friends. So I never took the book to be about a boy dissociating, or a boy having any dissociative disorders. maybe the movie does more speculating and ading things that the book never had nor meant it to be. I dont know but its a far reach for me to see it as a dissociative event if its like the book.

I didn't remember reading the book as a kid until I saw the picture and I remember the picture, so I think I might have read it when I was young but that time period is so faint and vague I don't know.

[WePow]

Thanks for the comments. I suppose I saw more into the film based on my own personal experience. I actually did experience "living" on an "island" of sorts for 2 yrs of "my" time when I was 10-12 and an alter was experiencing life for me. I had ZERO recall of anything that happened for those two years in "my" body. I thought I was just on another planet from my soul. It was a very safe place and I slept there and was able to deal with things in my own way. But I was NOT "here" at all. Then one day I returned and I was 12... There were no animals or other people or anything. Just safe peace and anything I could want I could make by thinking it.

I can never explain it to anyone else. But for me, it was my safe place and for me it was very real. That is why I associated this movie to DID I suppose.

[multipixie9]

is funnee. we livd in books wen we was survivn but we nevr reeded dis one. we lik mary poppins an cool stuf lik a swiftly tiltin planet an a wrinkl in time. mabee we can reed dis now. byby,

leli

[tigersassy]

mi has wat til we has monis go c it mi n lik wat mi awys likd de buk an wundrd wen dey mak movi mi wil b reli hapi wen mi ges go c it an wen it cums ou an we cn bi it an bing hom wit us an c it al de tim lik mari popins an tinkr bel mi favits

artemis

[multipixie9]

I like your name, Artemis, it's very pretty. I hope you can get the money before the movie comes out on DVD.

Artemis was from mythology, greek stories about the "gods" they worshipped. I think she may have been an archer who shot arrows and somehow a great runner. bye

Leah

[tigersassy]

yep she wuz an she havd a tin budr namd apollo 2 an we du 2 she wuz nit he wuz dai she wuz mon he wuz sun..... mi oni foun dat suf ou recntli wen mi du info serc onlin bu is cul 2 no u no

artemis

[anderson]

Originally Posted by tigersassy

mi has wat til we has monis go c it mi n lik wat mi awys likd de buk an wundrd wen dey mak movi mi wil b reli hapi wen mi ges go c it an wen it cums ou an we cn bi it an bing hom wit us an c it al de tim lik mari popins an tinkr bel mi favits

artemis

It so good to have kids to talk to. we like the book and hope to see movie to.thank you so much artmis for letting our little ones not feel so alone. they got scared earler but they want you to know that they like you and enjoy hearing from you even long ditance. tigersassy will you let them know from us.

[anderson]

wpower no you did not read to much in to it. remember we all were created under loud!!!! events. where the wild things are.... to me is how we would have loved all of our parts to created. since we moved to az we had few people to talk to so we went online when posable and read lots of books. in all my research to help heal myself the following facts stud out in all the cases I read:
1. You had to have an above IQ.
2. You had to be able to dissociate from any and all events(add)
3. You also had to be extremly creative in your mind.
4. the deciding factor on how many alters where created was the amount of times the person no longer wanted to be in the moment.
regardless of what people tell me I truely believe that we were born with a gift that saveed our lives but because the larger community has no inner knowledge of how we process the events/ information they can only veiw us though their own colored glasses. Just like we can only see them through our rose colored glasses
thank you for making us think and remembering more.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by anderson

wpower no you did not read to much in to it. remember we all were created under loud!!!! events. where the wild things are.... to me is how we would have loved all of our parts to created. since we moved to az we had few people to talk to so we went online when posable and read lots of books. in all my research to help heal myself the following facts stud out in all the cases I read:
1. You had to have an above IQ.
2. You had to be able to dissociate from any and all events(add)
3. You also had to be extremly creative in your mind.
4. the deciding factor on how many alters where created was the amount of times the person no longer wanted to be in the moment.
regardless of what people tell me I truely believe that we were born with a gift that saveed our lives but because the larger community has no inner knowledge of how we process the events/ information they can only veiw us though their own colored glasses. Just like we can only see them through our rose colored glasses
thank you for making us think and remembering more.

Question if you have to have an above IQ in order to have a dissociation disorder where do all the special needs people such as those with mental retardation who have below normal IQ but have undergone extreme sexual abuse tot he point where they have Dissociative Identity Disorder.

there is no requirements to IQ in the DSM IV TR criteria for any of the dissociative disorders. Also extreme abuse and extreme sexual abuse knows no boundries of IQ.

But It is documented with police and crisis centers and hospitals that they have seen those with mental retardation, MS, Cerebral Palsied, Muscular Dystrophy and other disorders that affect a persons IQ levels towards the lower end of the IQ scale who are DID because they went through extreme abuse.

[WePow]

WARNING **** MAY TRIGGER *****

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All I know is that in MY case - yes, my IQ tested at 143. Yes, the childhood abuse started early (rape at age 2 1/2) , continued abuse sexual, physical, mental, emotional - until age 24 when the pattern was identified and able to be stopped thanks to some wonderful angels who came into my life. Threat of death was real in many situations. Grew up actually thinking I was normal and that everyone went through what I did - and also that they had inner people who talked with them. Dissociation was the only way I had to survive childhood physiologically. I just could not BE there and had other people in my head who could stay while I left.

As to anyone else, I am not the expert and can not say what their situation is. The only thing I can say is that DID was finally just a label to explain my reality.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by wpowers

WARNING **** MAY TRIGGER *****

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All I know is that in MY case - yes, my IQ tested at 143. Yes, the childhood abuse started early (rape at age 2 1/2) , continued abuse sexual, physical, mental, emotional - until age 24 when the pattern was identified and able to be stopped thanks to some wonderful angels who came into my life. Threat of death was real in many situations. Grew up actually thinking I was normal and that everyone went through what I did - and also that they had inner people who talked with them. Dissociation was the only way I had to survive childhood physiologically. I just could not BE there and had other people in my head who could stay while I left.

As to anyone else, I am not the expert and can not say what their situation is. The only thing I can say is that DID was finally just a label to explain my reality.

thank you for clarifying. so the have to's that you wrote about are not have to's for everyone they are what you found that fits your situation.

I was wondering why my psych classes and the mental heaalth agency where I intern were not teaching these have to's that you wrote about instead of teaching the DSM IV TR criteria and the testing documents which are the "have to's" they teach here.

[Elysium]

Well...i've never read the book or seen the movie....but I think that what VPowers was getting at maybe was that it MEANT SOMETHING TO HER and it SPOKE TO HER on a level that helped her identify with herself and her disorder.

Even further, I do believe she stated that "it COULD be viewed as a dissociative event".

Amandalouise....I'm not sure what Psych classes or text books you have been reading? Maybe the ones from the 1950's? However...fantasy, whether by an adult OR a child, is considered to be a healthy form of DISSOCIATION that EVERYONE experiences and uses throughout their lives to cope with troublesome issues and provide stimulation to our own senses. Fantasy can become pathological when reality testing is no longer intact...such as with Narcissistic folks, but Fantasy is now being considered a sense of dissociating without the extreme alterations in the integrative functions of consciousness!! If it were to be placed on the continuum of dissociation, it might be placed in/around the extreme left.

Thank you again for reminding us that not everyone fits between the pages of a psychology book, or follows the syllabus of a psych class!!

Oh....and here is a link to one particular Psychological study that discusses the links between Dissociation, Fantasy and Fantasy Proneness. It's quite recent...(2005), and very interesting!!

http://arno.unimaas.nl/show.cgi?fid=4534

Originally Posted by amandalouise

I havent seen the movie yet but read the book many times. I didnt take the book as an example of a dissociative event. the boy wasnt under extreme abuse, he wasnt experiencing numbness or feeling like he wasnt real and wasnt feeling like things in his room werent real and he wasnt switching into alternate personalities. in the book it started with he was told to go to his room without dinner because he was mouthing off to his parent. the parent wasnt hitting him, beating on him, the parent wasnt sexually assaulting him or anythnig. he was just told to go to his room for mouthing off. then in his room he pretended he sailed across the sea not floating outside himself not floating and far away from himself. he pretended he had animal friends in far way lands. as far as I know dissociation doesnt include having imaginary friends. then when he smelled food and felt hungry he pretended he was sailing back over the sea leaving his imaginary friends and there in his room was his dinner where his parent had left it. I know that dissociation includes things like feeling numb not feeling things like feeling hungry and smelling dinner, one dissociative disorder specifically states there cant be imaginary friends. So I never took the book to be about a boy dissociating, or a boy having any dissociative disorders. maybe the movie does more speculating and ading things that the book never had nor meant it to be. I dont know but its a far reach for me to see it as a dissociative event if its like the book.

[amandalouise]

By the way I did pay more attention to the tv commercials about "where the wild things are" and went to see the movie last night. here the movie is being promoted very clearly as a movie for adults not children with a disclaimer that children are allowed in on parental guidance. And at the theater before they started the movie a guy announced the due to the controvialness of this movie world wide their establishment was requiring their employees to speak with the audiance before showing the film. he then stated if there were any persons that easily get upset by shows that have situaitons where there is violence and children acting out in negative and violent ways the show was not meant for them and their children. The book is very clear on the fact that the child and animals get rowdy and act out in inappropriate ways. The movie is based on a fictional book which has no religous nor psychological hidden meanings and no children and animals were harmed during the making of the movie. then they showed the movie. I found it to be entertaining and quite much like the book and did not see anything that could be considered the child experiencing a dissociative event. If I had children I would not take them to the movie without first reading the book and discussing with them how the rowdyness and violence in the book may look on screen. it can be quite shocking and triggering to children and adults not expecting it.

[Hunny]

We saw the movie this week as a distraction but were so exhausted we almost fell asleep. We remember the eyes of all the 'wild things' as being particularly expressive and kind of ministered to our insides and all the feelings each part is experiencing with all that is is going on right now. Our two and three year old did close her eyes as the 'wild things' were kind of too real.

wen we not so recked wil seed it gain.









h

[Elysium]

Thank you for sharing the opinion of the guy who makes minimum wage at the movie theatre.

Originally Posted by amandalouise

By the way I did pay more attention to the tv commercials about "where the wild things are" and went to see the movie last night. here the movie is being promoted very clearly as a movie for adults not children with a disclaimer that children are allowed in on parental guidance. And at the theater before they started the movie a guy announced the due to the controvialness of this movie world wide their establishment was requiring their employees to speak with the audiance before showing the film. he then stated if there were any persons that easily get upset by shows that have situaitons where there is violence and children acting out in negative and violent ways the show was not meant for them and their children. The book is very clear on the fact that the child and animals get rowdy and act out in inappropriate ways. The movie is based on a fictional book which has no religous nor psychological hidden meanings and no children and animals were harmed during the making of the movie. then they showed the movie. I found it to be entertaining and quite much like the book and did not see anything that could be considered the child experiencing a dissociative event. If I had children I would not take them to the movie without first reading the book and discussing with them how the rowdyness and violence in the book may look on screen. it can be quite shocking and triggering to children and adults not expecting it.

[Luce]

I really want to say something about the above comment, but I am not a mod and I don't think it is my place to do so.

I would hope that everyone would remember to post using basic courtesy and respect towards others though.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Luce

I really want to say something about the above comment, but I am not a mod and I don't think it is my place to do so.

I would hope that everyone would remember to post using basic courtesy and respect towards others though.

Luce I cant see the above post (using the ignore button) so I cant respond to you about it other than to say somewhere around here I read a post that said if you see any posts that you find offending, harmful, disrespectful of others, you can report the post to the moderators.

when I first came here there were some that were not respectful to me and some posts that I found that were disrespctful to others and triggering to me. someone told me about the ignore button. Ever since I use it. its a cool thing that saves me from having to read things that upset me or read things by people that I find post offending things. I dont know exactly where the thread is but what I do is go to that persons profile. the ignore button is in there under user options.

[DocJohn]

Folks, let me just interject briefly here.

We are *all* entitled to our own opinions, but we shouldn't go around and tell others (or imply it) that our opinion is superior to others'. This thread started off with one member sharing their personal experience with a recent movie. I see some other members discounting that experience in this thread, which is against our Community Guidelines.

While you're welcomed to share your own experiences -- as some of you have done here -- you are not welcomed to discount others' experiences, even if they don't mirror your own.

Not everyone is going to have the same opinions about these things, and there is no one "right" way that a person experiences dissociation -- it is different for everyone. Please refrain from contributing to this thread if you cannot accept that and accept that other people's experiences with dissociation may be different than your own.

Thank you.

DocJohn

[anderson]

Originally Posted by amandalouise

Question if you have to have an above IQ in order to have a dissociation disorder where do all the special needs people such as those with mental retardation who have below normal IQ but have undergone extreme sexual abuse tot he point where they have Dissociative Identity Disorder.

there is no requirements to IQ in the DSM IV TR criteria for any of the dissociative disorders. Also extreme abuse and extreme sexual abuse knows no boundries of IQ.

But It is documented with police and crisis centers and hospitals that they have seen those with mental retardation, MS, Cerebral Palsied, Muscular Dystrophy and other disorders that affect a persons IQ levels towards the lower end of the IQ scale who are DID because they went through extreme abuse.

Just because a Person can not communicate does not mean that the are below IQ level or that they can not funtion these are critieas that the DSM book has to say. If you could look at those cases indepentantly I believe that a physcal reason was preventing them from using their intel.

[anderson]

Originally Posted by Elysium3006

Well...i've never read the book or seen the movie....but I think that what VPowers was getting at maybe was that it MEANT SOMETHING TO HER and it SPOKE TO HER on a level that helped her identify with herself and her disorder.

Even further, I do believe she stated that "it COULD be viewed as a dissociative event".

Amandalouise....I'm not sure what Psych classes or text books you have been reading? Maybe the ones from the 1950's? However...fantasy, whether by an adult OR a child, is considered to be a healthy form of DISSOCIATION that EVERYONE experiences and uses throughout their lives to cope with troublesome issues and provide stimulation to our own senses. Fantasy can become pathological when reality testing is no longer intact...such as with Narcissistic folks, but Fantasy is now being considered a sense of dissociating without the extreme alterations in the integrative functions of consciousness!! If it were to be placed on the continuum of dissociation, it might be placed in/around the extreme left.

Thank you again for reminding us that not everyone fits between the pages of a psychology book, or follows the syllabus of a psych class!!

Oh....and here is a link to one particular Psychological study that discusses the links between Dissociation, Fantasy and Fantasy Proneness. It's quite recent...(2005), and very interesting!!

http://arno.unimaas.nl/show.cgi?fid=4534

Thank you. it is hard to share if people take you so literally. we agree w/wpower we sad if what we say hurt her by making other made. thank you for helping us see we not alone. we been hurt so much lately that some of us stoped trying to talk to others. we only wright what we know about.