[mala]

I think this exists but Im not sure how.My therapist has said that I have a personality disorder - whihc I know more or less means that one's personality is a mess. The problems is that I do dissassociate - not at the severe end - I dont wake up wsomehwere and think how did I get here - nothing that severe. I do think that there is personality fragmentation. Ive coped with this for so long - I forgotton who I am.
Anyway to the question, does tm work alongside dissassociation and if so how. I just wondered as trance is part of it,and spirituality is part of mental and all illness, and its been like that for thousands of years although the medical model doesnt like to think so. Anyway this is an informal forum so it would be really great to hear your opinions.
Mala

[Korin]

I’m not sure what you’re asking but I am a very non religious spiritual person. I do relaxation and meditation and have often wondered how much of my spirituality is actual and how much is down to this disorder DID.

[Elysium]

Mala...

I'm not sure if the lingo of mental illness is confusing you?

A "Personality Disorder" does not mean that you have more than one personality. It does not equal multiple personalities either.

The Mayo Clinic states:

"A personality disorder is a type of mental illness in which you have trouble perceiving and relating to situations and to people — including yourself. There are many specific types of personality disorders.

In general, having a personality disorder means you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking and behaving no matter what the situation. This leads to significant problems and limitations in relationships, social encounters, work and school.

In some cases, you may not realize that you have a personality disorder because your way of thinking and behaving seems natural to you, and you may blame others for the challenges you face."

As well, it is not uncommon for people who have personality disorders to have dissociative traits. Having dissociative traits does not automatically mean you have a Dissociative Disorder, it just means that you dissociate.

DID/Multiple Personalities is NOT a Personality Disorder. It is a Dissociative Disorder and is trauma based. Not all Personality Disorders require a trauma background to make a diagnosis.

Also note that it is called DISSOCIATION, as opposed to disassociation. Disassociation means to "detach from association", where Dissociation is a similar term, although rooted in psychology, that means a perceived detachment of the mind from the emotional state or even from the body. Dissociation is characterized by a sense of the world as a dreamlike or unreal place and may be accompanied by poor memory of the specific events, which in severe form is known as dissociative amnesia. The term dissociation refers to the act of separating or the state of being separated.

I hope this helps answer some questions for you. After reading your initial post, it seemed like you were correlating multiple personalities with Personality Disorders.

As far as trans-mediumship goes, I don't have enough understanding or information to have a worthy opinion on this. The mind is a crazy, wonderful, and scary thing, so I guess it could be related on some level. I just don't know.

[possum220]

I would go back to your therapist and ask which personality disorder were they referring to?

What does trans mediumship mean?? Psychic powers? I dont understand.

[mala]

Well, someone suggested the role of tm in people with mental health probs and dissociative disorder. I think and Im not an expert - probably a used up pawn in tm and other things, but people with dissociation traits / some pd's tend to be people who have been severely traumatised; and have a poor sense of identity and self preservation. They are very open spiritually and damaged mentally so they are fair game, like walking toilets in the spirit world where they are just dumped in - that's my feeling and experience of it, but obviously not everyone's; some people may like thios or not notice it or actively seek out a career or hobby in mediumship. Ive only found out the possiblity of tm in personality disorders. I think its important that they are grounded and have a good support system, knowledge, a bit of intelligence.
Hope this makes sense
mala

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by mala

I think this exists but Im not sure how.My therapist has said that I have a personality disorder - whihc I know more or less means that one's personality is a mess. The problems is that I do dissassociate - not at the severe end - I dont wake up wsomehwere and think how did I get here - nothing that severe. I do think that there is personality fragmentation. Ive coped with this for so long - I forgotton who I am.
Anyway to the question, does tm work alongside dissassociation and if so how. I just wondered as trance is part of it,and spirituality is part of mental and all illness, and its been like that for thousands of years although the medical model doesnt like to think so. Anyway this is an informal forum so it would be really great to hear your opinions.
Mala

here where I live transmediumship is called communicating with the dead, channeling spirits.

to answer your questions you can be psychic (having the abilities to move objects, read peoples minds, talk with the dead...)with out having any mental disorders.

can you be psychic and have DID? yes you can be psychic and have any mental disorder listed in the DSM including DID.

how does it work..well same way as being psychic and having no mental disorder.

ok think of two different talents you have.. maybe you can hold your breath for 4 minutes, and you can run really fast.. you can do both of those things separately.. sitting down doing nothing but holding your breath... breathing while running... and you can do those two talents together by holding your breath while you run.

the holding the breath doesnt depend upon the running and the running doesnt depend upon the holding the breath. they are two unconnected/unrelated things that you just happen to be able to do.

maybe you can play the drums and the guitar. you can do them separately and you can do them together. being a good drummer doesnt depend upon the ability to play the guitar and vice versa..

thats what DID and being psychic is.. they are two completely different things. that have no bearing upon each other.

when being diagnosed with DID the problems, symptoms cant be because of anything other than having DID. DID does not have a psychic component / symptom / nor criteria.

when being diagnosed psychic all the problems and symptoms are not related to anything other than having psychic talents /abilities.

spirituality being a part of illness and mental illness - my views no not always.. you dont have to believe in a higher power to become physically ill or mentally ill,

there are lots of people in this world that do not believe in heaven, or any other after life, and spiritual higher beings that get physically and mentally sick.

you dont necessarily have to believe in a higher power in order to become well again.

there are lots of people in this world that dont believe in the after live and spiritual beings and they become well on their own or thanks to medications and other treatments besides prayer to higher beings.

sometimes yes mental disorders do revolve around spirituality in my job those that have a mental illness that revolves around spirituality its because they have already had a belief or fear/lack of spirituality beliefs before they became ill...hallucinations and delusions usually center around a persons fears and belief systems.

Also you dont have to be mentally ill or physically ill to find /become active in church and all that comes with it.

my neighbor who has no mental illness no physical illness suddenly joined the neighborhood church down the street from her home.

spirituality doesnt aalways affect or become a part of illness and isnt always why a person becomes a part of spiritual beliefs. some do and some dont.

[Korin]

I agree with the above. Some time ago I tried to talk to a church friend about my experiences and she told me that I was probably suffering some kind of spiritual crisis.

I think a lot of how other people view what we are dealing with depends on where they are coming from. Don’t you think?

I do consider myself a non religious spiritual person. But I’m also quite aware of the fact that it might simply be a part of me that is quite spiritual because there are some inconsistencies and disagreement. Frustrating but actually not too much of a problem because it is one of the lesser evils I have to deal with. And can be quite helpful sometimes too.

I think I would even go as far as to say that there may be a psychic part too. I have been asked on many occasions if I’m psychic. I always say no I’m just very intuitive. It helps to kind of side swipe those questions that can show up the DID inconsistencies. The type that to some folks cause you to appear like your lying because in actual fact you are that spiritual person and that psychic person but just not all the time.

My head hurts. I hope that made sense.

[Crew]

A personality disorder has nothing to do with dissociaiton. Go check out the Persoanlity Disorder Forum. They list all the persoanlity disorders.

I hope you find what you are looking for...

Peace.... Crew

[mala]

There's a fictional book called beyond black by Hlary mantel. It sort of shows transmeduiumship and dissassociation - very interesting. My personal opinion is that everything is spiritual, that even so called evil things can be covered in layers of holiness until you get to the core of it - like a bright soft fruit with a hard core.
mala

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by mala

There's a fictional book called beyond black by Hlary mantel. It sort of shows transmeduiumship and dissassociation - very interesting. My personal opinion is that everything is spiritual, that even so called evil things can be covered in layers of holiness until you get to the core of it - like a bright soft fruit with a hard core.
mala

Ive read that book. it doesnt say transeduimship is like or the same as dissociation. the person dissociated what the father had done to her and didnt remember it until after she started seeing her fathers ghost then her memories of her father surfaced. she recounts her story of her father and seeing the fathers ghost like a person who dissociated does - in pieces and with lack of affect (lack of feelingsand lack of emotions in her tone of voice while she is telling about her father and seeing his ghost and what happened to him)

this kind of thing lack of affect where survivors tell about their abusers and what happened with little to no emotions is normal and you dont have to dissociate for it to happen.

some reviews on the book by critics use the term dissociated because in general and in the normal sense of the word it means seemingly unconnected to ones feelings and emotions, and in the general sense of the word is now being used in some places to mean and describe the psychiatric term - lack of affect.

the words - dissociated, dissociation like many other words began meaning one thing and has evolved to cover many different ways of explaining things.

it doesnt always mean the same thing as a dissociation disorder would. in the non psychaitric world its becoming the in word to use for all kinds of things. I even heard it said at the garage... a machanic said "yea your nuts and bolts are all dissociating" meaning I had a loose nut and bolt which is what the rattling I heard was when my partner was driving down the road one night.

it doest mean the concept of tranmediumship and dissociation are connected.

its just a term to explain how that psychic showed no emotions when talking about her father and her repressed memories of him. just like a rape victim will sit there and tell you every single detail of the attack but do so as if telling you the most unimportant thing in her life with no emotional connection to it.
like I said another term for how they are using the word dissociation in this book is called lack of affect.