[CalmingOcean]

[finding_my_way]

Originally Posted by CalmingOcean

when i first saw it, i immediately thought she was faking to manipulate her husband and others around her. it seemed to me that perhaps she had another mental health issue and used that one as a way to justify or hide it. but that's just my opinion. i believe she also switched on demand on that episode which, from my understanding, is not a typical response for a lot with DID, although it might be for some maybe. i just did not believe it.

[CalmingOcean]

Okay yeah, that's what I thought too.

I so hate how they used a horror theme. Might as well show Psycho on there, too.

I skipped through it because I couldn't stand the music. I didn't hear any mention of diagnosis or psychiatric care. It's clearly not a real documentary, but more of a freak show.

This is exactly what we don't need, shame on Phil.

I couldn't tell you if she is or isn't because there are very different shades of DID, unlike chicken pox.

We don't switch on demand, we switch on request because we are much more polite to each other than that. Not one of us has a right to demand something from an other. Usually it's followed by a screw you if demanded.

[flockpride]

Yeah. No.

[amandalouise]

my opinion is that it doesnt matter whether I believe this person in the video has DID or not. Im not her and Im not her treatment provider. those are the only ones in my opinion qualified to say whether this person has DID or not.

so when I watch stuff like this I put it in perspective...

it makes good ratings to put something like this on the air whether this person has it or not people are going to tune in which means the nielsen ratings go up, which means more money coming in to the show.

sometimes when dramatic shows like this are shown a lot of times that corresponds with something like the shows being in danger of being cancelled or the shows ratings have dropped so something has to happen to catch the max number of people so lets move the show to a better time slot and put on something that is rare and controversial. not saying this is why that episode when it aired just saying sometimes I do my research on shows like this to decide whether I want to watch them and if its with in a possibility of this I pass on that show.

my point its not up to me to say someone on tv does or doesnt have that mental disorder. I leave that up to the show to discover that when they choose to do their updates on past guests a lot of these cases on various mental disorders on dr phil, oprah and what have you have already been debunked, and labeled as hoax, fraud, and scams for the money they received from the shows (not saying whether this has happened with this show because I did not check it out other than the first 5 minutes to realize I had seen this before years ago)

for me what matters is my own life and taking care of my own life and family, not worrying about whos what on tv. thats show business (dr phil) this is life (my life and family)

[Claritytoo]

I am sure she has some underlying mental issues but DID doesn't seem to be one of them. What I found more shocking was (windbag) Dr Phil opening the segment with "I haven't met a person with multiple personalty disorder in 35 years." This guy who has been climbing the entertainment industry ladder for his entire career. He not a doctor or therapist. He is a guy with the credentials who uses issues like DID to boost his ratings.

And yet these people wouldn't exist if we didn't give them their ratings...

[CalmingOcean]

Originally Posted by amandalouise

my opinion is that it doesnt matter whether I believe this person in the video has DID or not. Im not her and Im not her treatment provider. those are the only ones in my opinion qualified to say whether this person has DID or not.

so when I watch stuff like this I put it in perspective...

it makes good ratings to put something like this on the air whether this person has it or not people are going to tune in which means the nielsen ratings go up, which means more money coming in to the show.

sometimes when dramatic shows like this are shown a lot of times that corresponds with something like the shows being in danger of being cancelled or the shows ratings have dropped so something has to happen to catch the max number of people so lets move the show to a better time slot and put on something that is rare and controversial. not saying this is why that episode when it aired just saying sometimes I do my research on shows like this to decide whether I want to watch them and if its with in a possibility of this I pass on that show.

my point its not up to me to say someone on tv does or doesnt have that mental disorder. I leave that up to the show to discover that when they choose to do their updates on past guests a lot of these cases on various mental disorders on dr phil, oprah and what have you have already been debunked, and labeled as hoax, fraud, and scams for the money they received from the shows (not saying whether this has happened with this show because I did not check it out other than the first 5 minutes to realize I had seen this before years ago)

for me what matters is my own life and taking care of my own life and family, not worrying about whos what on tv. thats show business (dr phil) this is life (my life and family)

I guess my only beef with this episode (tho it was entertaining), to learn you are unfragmented and then to see this show and her depicting DID in my eyes, all wrong, it just feeds the negative stigma ALREAY attached to the dignosis (and sure, I have a part that believes that stigma)

[CalmingOcean]

Originally Posted by Claritytoo

I am sure she has some underlying mental issues but DID doesn't seem to be one of them. What I found more shocking was (windbag) Dr Phil opening the segment with "I haven't met a person with multiple personalty disorder in 35 years." This guy who has been climbing the entertainment industry ladder for his entire career. He not a doctor or therapist. He is a guy with the credentials who uses issues like DID to boost his ratings.

He probably hasn't met a person with DiD because the symptoms are more subtle then what this person was portraying. I sure as hell can't call up alters. There just there, sometimes switching in and out of the same conversion it's not like one minute- here's Becky!

[Perna]

Originally Posted by Claritytoo

He not a doctor or therapist.

He was trained as and once a therapist. . . of the worst sort:

Myth #6 He boldly closed his practice in 1989 because he was unhappy and wanted to do more. We all now know the real story behind what happened in 1989 with the "inappropriate dual relationship" with a 19-year-old female patient. It's been well documented. Ironically, this was the year he claims psychology became monotonous to him and he had his "gut check" moment when he decided to take the bold leap to close his practice and do something else. What a coincidence.

Myth #7 He is a licensed psychologist. (See #6) He never completed the terms required to have his license reinstated. He hasn't been licensed to practice psychology anywhere since 1989.

From: Dr. Phil Phacts and Phiction

[I'm Worth It]

Here's the thing -- if SHE believes she is, that's what needs to be treated until reality comes to her. If they start treating "DID", she won't be able to maintain any sense of authenticity about it. You cannot FAKE DID in detail with in depth therapy. We don't know anything about the therapist who made that diagnosis, however, if she suspects/suspected it, she will have had to support it for a while anyway. And, if she suspects FAKING, she wouldn't tip her hand yet either. She is walking a fine line herself. She could "call" the patient out by telling her she's FAKING, but that would send the patient either into some sort of crisis or cause her to dig her heals in deeper.

If this woman is FAKING for manipulation or personal gain of any kind -- money, attention, etc. it would be ganser syndrome on top of something else I'd say. Ganser Syndrome involves reality perception for a patient and so it's THEIR reality that needs to be treated.

I personally think Dr. Phil made a mistake by putting this woman on camera. If this woman has Ganser Syndrome, all he did was feed her need for attention/manipulation,etc. rather than do a credible profile on DID for public understanding.

He should have done this differently. He should have had several people who were diagnosed as DID and this one so that the public could observe a bigger sampling of how DID patients respond/behave etc. I'd bet that this woman would have been outted by observation. I personally think she thinks she is DID and therefore, is, by default. If her therapist is not well versed in abuse treatment, it's possible that this woman became DID, iatrogenically, in adulthood. DID does not come about when the patient is an adult, it starts in childhood.

It is unclear, as well, as to the severity of abuse this woman suffered in childhood. DID is employed in response to very significant and chronic/daily abuse in childhood. Not "minor" or random incidents of sexual/emotional abuse. (I am not minimizing any form or "intensity" of abuse, by the way. Abuse is abuse and needs to be treated with respect and care).

[Claritytoo]

Originally Posted by somat

And yet these people wouldn't exist if we didn't give them their ratings...

I have seen Dr Phil maybe three times and that was enough for me to never watch his show again. I haven't had a TV for five years. It's all garbage.

[Claritytoo]

Originally Posted by I'm Worth It

Here's the thing -- if SHE believes she is, that's what needs to be treated until reality comes to her. If they start treating "DID", she won't be able to maintain any sense of authenticity about it. You cannot FAKE DID in detail with in depth therapy. We don't know anything about the therapist who made that diagnosis, however, if she suspects/suspected it, she will have had to support it for a while anyway. And, if she suspects FAKING, she wouldn't tip her hand yet either. She is walking a fine line herself. She could "call" the patient out by telling her she's FAKING, but that would send the patient either into some sort of crisis or cause her to dig her heals in deeper.

If this woman is FAKING for manipulation or personal gain of any kind -- money, attention, etc. it would be ganser syndrome on top of something else I'd say. Ganser Syndrome involves reality perception for a patient and so it's THEIR reality that needs to be treated.

I personally think Dr. Phil made a mistake by putting this woman on camera. If this woman has Ganser Syndrome, all he did was feed her need for attention/manipulation,etc. rather than do a credible profile on DID for public understanding.

He should have done this differently. He should have had several people who were diagnosed as DID and this one so that the public could observe a bigger sampling of how DID patients respond/behave etc. I'd bet that this woman would have been outted by observation. I personally think she thinks she is DID and therefore, is, by default. If her therapist is not well versed in abuse treatment, it's possible that this woman became DID, iatrogenically, in adulthood. DID does not come about when the patient is an adult, it starts in childhood.

It is unclear, as well, as to the severity of abuse this woman suffered in childhood. DID is employed in response to very significant and chronic/daily abuse in childhood. Not "minor" or random incidents of sexual/emotional abuse. (I am not minimizing any form or "intensity" of abuse, by the way. Abuse is abuse and needs to be treated with respect and care).

He should be kicked off the air and save the rest of us from his pathology.

Yes, I think Dr. Phil is faking

Originally Posted by I'm Worth It

. DID is employed in response to very significant and chronic/daily abuse in childhood. Not "minor" or random incidents of sexual/emotional abuse.

Do you know if thats certain? Like, for sure?

Im not being facetious I promise! Just really struggling to come to terms with a bunch of stuff and can't really believe this is all happening. I would love to know on a scale of 'quite sure, to fact' where your comment lies. It would really help!

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Justagir1

Do you know if thats certain? Like, for sure?

Im not being facetious I promise! Just really struggling to come to terms with a bunch of stuff and can't really believe this is all happening. I would love to know on a scale of 'quite sure, to fact' where your comment lies. It would really help!

I know I am not the person you posted this question to but maybe I can help clarify....

I see you are in yorkshire (the UK?) here in america DID is recognized by the American Psychiatric Association (the mental health organization that makes the rules and diagnostics for mental disorders here in america) as being caused by extreme abuse at very young age. demographics/statistics\mental health standards in my location (New York/USA )is under the age of 5.

different locations have different standards\statistics\demographics therefore to find out what your location believes and goes by for how/when and why DID is created you will need to contact treatment providers in your location.

[-jimi-]

I have seen it before. I think her pain looks really real. I do not believe the switching is real. But I think of it like this. She really seems tight with her husband and in their home, where it is safe, it is possible that alters come to talk to him. All this could still be true. But then imagine being actually accepted as a guest at Dr Phil and be on stage.

It's probably not very easy, you'd be nervous as heck, right? But now you have caught the attention of this "famous" and actually very popular and influential man (gag I hate the guy), so now you feel you owe him something.

Isn't it possible that when she realizes none of her alters want to come out, that she at that moment decides to fake them? If she knows them well enough, and she has done a lot of exploration, she would know roughly what kinds of things they would say. It is not harder than faking being another person.

I think this is what happens here.

And Dr Phil is a creep for thinking dissociation to that degree is VERY VERY RARE and is very clear about that he does NOT believe DID exists (read between the lines). Also, IF he actually believed in DID and knew about the child alter, he would not allowed the child alter out because he does not allow children on stage.

That guy sucks big butts and is the worst narcissist out there.

[finding_my_way]

Originally Posted by amandalouise

I know I am not the person you posted this question to but maybe I can help clarify....

I see you are in yorkshire (the UK?) here in america DID is recognized by the American Psychiatric Association (the mental health organization that makes the rules and diagnostics for mental disorders here in america) as being caused by extreme abuse at very young age. demographics/statistics\mental health standards in my location (New York/USA )is under the age of 5.

different locations have different standards\statistics\demographics therefore to find out what your location believes and goes by for how/when and why DID is created you will need to contact treatment providers in your location.

that just confuses me...my abuse did not start until about five, as far as i know. and i'm very certain my dissociation started around then and developed more and more up until age 10 as more trauma happened over those years and stopped around age 10. i have read different things where it says the age at the oldest for dissociation to that degree to develop alters/parts is between 7 and 9,depending.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by finding_my_way

that just confuses me...my abuse did not start until about five, as far as i know. and i'm very certain my dissociation started around then and developed more and more up until age 10 as more trauma happened over those years and stopped around age 10. i have read different things where it says the age at the oldest for dissociation to that degree to develop alters/parts is between 7 and 9,depending.

let me explain what I mean by my locations demographics/statistics\mental health standards... by that I mean here in the USA each mental health agency keeps records on their clients. and then tallies that information into stats (statistics)

example....(not using any actual figures here...just plucking a number out of the air for an example....

if a mental health agency sees 100 clients. their statistics may be something like...

70 clients depressive disorders
10 clients with bipolar disorder
5 clients with DID

each one of these demographics are further broken down depending upon what the reports need..

5 DID cases range of alters varies, all reported abuse in these 5 cases are before the age of 5.

ok then the mental health agencies take these statistics based on their own clientelle of how many they see and what the overall mental disorder break down is....and send it on to where ever the paperwork says that the periodic census is being correlated for the state census bureau.

doing reports like this (how many clients agencies have, an average of what mental disorders are being treated and how many....) in part is how the government aid is given to the mental health system and given out per agency per fiscal year.

these are the demographics and statistics Im talking about when my posts say this. Im not talking based on individual people ....here in america we go through census taking of every household, person and agency\business on a yearly basis.

here in my location the documented statistics\demographics are that DID begins under the age of 5 due to extreme abuse.

you can find out what the statistics /demographics in your location and the agency in which you receive treatment by talking with your treatment provider or visiting your library. a librarian can show you where the most recent census statistics are that was done in your location.

note though that these census reports will only show what has been reported. if your mental health agency doesnt participate in your nations census taking then they may not have any demographics/statistics for you.

also note that the census is an average. it doesnt go by individual... due to privacy laws treatment providers can not tell the census bureaus something like patients name address and a breakdown of that persons files. when mental health agencies here in america fill out their forms they cant say client amandalouise, DID, alter number 1 is 8, alter number 2 that appeared to us was 10, alter number 3 that appeared to us was 5....this caused this alter to be created that caused that alter to be created...

census taking is a process of reporting the basics...number of clients treated at this agency, a break down of mental disorders treated over the course of the past year.... averages...

all this doesnt mean like in your case there isnt people with DID of first abuse at or after age 5. it just means thats what the statistics\demographics show in my own location.

I hope that helped to clarify my post for you.

[TheFuZZieONE]

Thank you for sharing the link calmingocean. I tend to agree with everyone though. That woman's DID see extremely fake to me. I also doubt that she was on ALL those different meds. Maybe not even half of them. And everyone knows medication does not cure with DID. I'm sure an antidepressant would help, but those meds were ridiculous!

Another thing that didn't add up is the lady on this show supposedly didn't develop until later in life. Like someone already it's not our place to say whether or not she has DID.

[CalmingOcean]

Originally Posted by TheFuZZieONE

Thank you for sharing the link calmingocean. I tend to agree with everyone though. That woman's DID see extremely fake to me. I also doubt that she was on ALL those different meds. Maybe not even half of them. And everyone knows medication does not cure with DID. I'm sure an antidepressant would help, but those meds were ridiculous!

Another thing that didn't add up is the lady on this show supposedly didn't develop until later in life. Like someone already it's not our place to say whether or not she has DID.

Haha that's what I found funny too. It said her symptoms and self harm started a couple years back and he said 'life use to be perfect he had a perfect wife' sooooooooooo her DID only manifested itself a few years ago....

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by CalmingOcean

Haha that's what I found funny too. It said her symptoms and self harm started a couple years back and he said 'life use to be perfect he had a perfect wife' sooooooooooo her DID only manifested itself a few years ago....

not necessarily. no one caught my DID until I was in my 20's and a college psych class required the students to go through a full battery of diagnostic evaluations. my alters had been taking over since very early childhood and handling things quite well during my childhood and adulthood. I was having inner problems associated with DID but outward no one noticed because every time I got triggered and dissociated the resulting alter that took over was one that could handle the problem. what that means is to anyone outside my body...my family, my friends, my love interests through out my life, and my wife... no one knew and no one saw any problems ...until my system of alters finally encountered something that was beyond what they were able to handle or learn about and handle.

most people with DID you can not tell they have it until after their internal system of alters have reached their limits of what their job, purpose, reasons for being created are. it may just be that this persons internal system of alters was comprised in such a way that they were able to handle everything in her life until after she married and at some point during that time after marriage that her alters started having problems taking care of what ever was triggering her to dissociate.

most of the people I know with DID received their diagnosis after adulthood and after their internal system of alters were no longer able to take care of that persons triggers and reason they dissociated. I know someone who is in their 80's and just got their diagnosis because they just started having problems related to technology that her alters were not capable of handling for her. she was in a computer class learning how to use a computer. she had no alters that were computer literate and none that could learn this skill. therefore when she got overwhelmed because of computer problems thats when people started noticing she was having mental stress, anxiety, mood swings and other tell tale symptoms of a mental breakdown, that resulted in her getting evaluated and diagnosed with DID.

my point is we can see these shows and make speculations but ultimately all we are doing is possibly causing ourselves to become obsessed, confused, stressed and perpetrating all the stigmatizing that we would not want others to do to us. my opinion stands the only people qualified to say whether these people on these tv shows have the mental disorders the shows are about is those persons treatment providers. that is why I leave these shows with the attitude of well good ratings and leave the analyzing to that persons treatment providers.

[Kiya]

I think HE'S a fake.... just sayin'.

[CalmingOcean]

Originally Posted by amandalouise

not necessarily. no one caught my DID until I was in my 20's and a college psych class required the students to go through a full battery of diagnostic evaluations. my alters had been taking over since very early childhood and handling things quite well during my childhood and adulthood. I was having inner problems associated with DID but outward no one noticed because every time I got triggered and dissociated the resulting alter that took over was one that could handle the problem. what that means is to anyone outside my body...my family, my friends, my love interests through out my life, and my wife... no one knew and no one saw any problems ...until my system of alters finally encountered something that was beyond what they were able to handle or learn about and handle.

most people with DID you can not tell they have it until after their internal system of alters have reached their limits of what their job, purpose, reasons for being created are. it may just be that this persons internal system of alters was comprised in such a way that they were able to handle everything in her life until after she married and at some point during that time after marriage that her alters started having problems taking care of what ever was triggering her to dissociate.

most of the people I know with DID received their diagnosis after adulthood and after their internal system of alters were no longer able to take care of that persons triggers and reason they dissociated. I know someone who is in their 80's and just got their diagnosis because they just started having problems related to technology that her alters were not capable of handling for her. she was in a computer class learning how to use a computer. she had no alters that were computer literate and none that could learn this skill. therefore when she got overwhelmed because of computer problems thats when people started noticing she was having mental stress, anxiety, mood swings and other tell tale symptoms of a mental breakdown, that resulted in her getting evaluated and diagnosed with DID.

my point is we can see these shows and make speculations but ultimately all we are doing is possibly causing ourselves to become obsessed, confused, stressed and perpetrating all the stigmatizing that we would not want others to do to us. my opinion stands the only people qualified to say whether these people on these tv shows have the mental disorders the shows are about is those persons treatment providers. that is why I leave these shows with the attitude of well good ratings and leave the analyzing to that persons treatment providers.

Okay that all makes good sense thank you. I suppose I was just doubting it because surely if her kid parts were coming out crying for mama her husband should of known something was up... But I never thought of what you said- it's after she reached a point where her system no longer works that triggered the breakdown 'a few years back' and now everyone is popping out. But.... Can you really 'call up' alters? Do you reach a point in treatment that that becomes a possibility? I know my kid parts pop out but I didn't think I could be like- 'okay little Ocean, it's go time...'