[LostOne369]

I've been reading about the different kinds and roles of alters, and I have to say we find it fascinating! To see things put into words...

I think this article is fascinating, same topic.

20 Types of Dissociative Splits | Discussing Dissociation

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by LostOne369

I've been reading about the different kinds and roles of alters, and I have to say we find it fascinating! To see things put into words...

alters roles are different for everyone, some people have protectors, others do not, some people have fighters others do not, some have criers some do not, some have maternal like alters some do not, some people have self injurers others do not, some have alters that cook or clean and other household duties others do not, some have sexualized alters some do not, some have alters that mimic their abusers others do not... some have a whole mixture of alters that have all kinds of roles, jobs, purposes reasons for being created...

my point everyones internal system of alters is comprised in what ever ways they needed in order to survive.

my suggestion is work with your or a treatment provider, they will be able to help you to discover who is with in your internal system of alters and what their roles (or as my location calls is jobs, purposes, reasons for being created)

Originally Posted by amandalouise

alters roles are different for everyone, some people have protectors, others do not, some people have fighters others do not, some have criers some do not, some have maternal like alters some do not, some people have self injurers others do not, some have alters that cook or clean and other household duties others do not, some have sexualized alters some do not, some have alters that mimic their abusers others do not... some have a whole mixture of alters that have all kinds of roles, jobs, purposes reasons for being created...

How funny...we have every one of those and then some!

It is fascinating, this whole thing is. Alters have a job to perform, anywhere from to stash trauma to fill in the blanks.

Here is an unofficial list I've come across that categorizes them according to their basic reason for being.

I thought to group mine by this list, but I found it's better just to discover what their job and purpose is and get to know them. This seemed less clinical and more personal....which is what this is...very personal.

It's interesting though.

Alter - Dissociative Identity Disorder, Dissociation and Trauma Disorders

[LostOne369]

Thanks everyone...I feel a certain sense of - urgency. Desperation. All of a sudden. I don't know what or who is driving it. But don't like it.

Originally Posted by LostOne369

Thanks everyone...I feel a certain sense of - urgency. Desperation. All of a sudden. I don't know what or who is driving it. But don't like it.

There is a distinct state "apparently normal part (ANP)" that 2 or more of these by the DSM-5 definition is a prerequisite for DID...and there is an indistinct state "emotional part (EP)" that you can have 2 or more of...they are generally more moods, urges, emotional, behind the scene back pressure...or can present as one dimensional semi developed personalities.


Oh ya, I get affected like that too..like a bad mood for no reason that you can't shake.

[LostOne369]

I mean come on the only normal part is when she leaves us all alone and not dissect like an animal on a table. Leave us alone.

Wow...I'm sorry. It's all psycho mumble jumbie which I spew from my point of view.

It's like... We got others and others that feel...basically.

My others take over to do their thing but the others make me freak out for no reason...it sux.

[LostOne369]

I'm sorry- my post came from somewhere else

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by AlwaysChanging2

There is a distinct state "apparently normal part (ANP)" that 2 or more of these by the DSM-5 definition is a prerequisite for DID...and there is an indistinct state "emotional part (EP)" that you can have 2 or more of...they are generally more moods, urges, emotional, behind the scene back pressure...or can present as one dimensional semi developed personalities.


Oh ya, I get affected like that too..like a bad mood for no reason that you can't shake.

here in my location ANP and EP are different than having DID type alters. here where I am anyone can have parts regardless of mental disorder or not. here where I live and work ANP and EP are used to define completely normal parts of self that every human being has and is not required for having DID. Plus the new diagnostics for the USA do not state a person must have an ANP or EP for diagnosis purposes. in fact the diagnostics do not state /label the type of alters.

people with DID can have ANP and EP type alters but it is not required.

ANP and EP are types of alters described in the theory of structural dissociation. The number of each created from the kind of trauma determines the condition. Like primary s.d. Has 1ANP/1EP (PTSD), secondary s.d. has 1ANP/2<EP (OSDD), tertiary s.d. has 2<ANP/2<EP (DID).

The only way as described that a person can have 2 or more ANP states is that dissociation has to begin with the initial trauma in the baby years...

Distinct state would be the ANP. Indistinct state would be the EP.

I know the DSM5 doesn't mention ANP/EP....but uses "....two or more distinct personality states..." instead.

As the studies dictate. I'm not a professional and don't mean to sound like one...I just naturally apply what I read about and to see how things fit.

The last thing I want to do is give false info, but a theory is a theory.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by AlwaysChanging2

ANP and EP are types of alters described in the theory of structural dissociation. The number of each created from the kind of trauma determines the condition. Like primary s.d. Has 1ANP/1EP (PTSD), secondary s.d. has 1ANP/2<EP (OSDD), tertiary s.d. has 2<ANP/2<EP (DID).

The only way as described that a person can have 2 or more ANP states is that dissociation has to begin with the initial trauma in the baby years...

Distinct state would be the ANP. Indistinct state would be the EP.

I know the DSM5 doesn't mention ANP/EP....but uses "....two or more distinct personality states..." instead.

As the studies dictate. I'm not a professional and don't mean to sound like one...I just naturally apply what I read about and to see how things fit.

The last thing I want to do is give false info, but a theory is a theory.

yes I understood what you meant my point was....in my location.....we dont have nor use those terms in reference to DID type alters. Im glad your location is using terms in which you can find a connection to.

here in my location distinct does not mean ANP and EP. here in my location the term distinct means any alter, of any kind, that is completely severed and does not share any part of their jobs, purposes, reasons for being created with each other and the person in which they reside....

example I did not have an alter that appeared to be normal and the alters that got me diagnosed with DID were not the emotional ones like rainy and red, sunny,the two distinct alters that got me diagnosed with DID were my self injuring alter and my sexualized alter. neither one of them appeared to be normal and neither one of them were emotionally charged. ones job was physical and the other was to be emotion less.

here where I am ANP is defined as any part of self that appears to be normal.

an example is a person with schizophrenia can have a part of their self that makes it possible for them to appear normal to others outside their self, perform exactly how and what is expected for normal functioning while the other part of their self can be having hallucinations, delusions, and other typical schizophrenic symptoms.

another example of ANP in my location is someone who has no mental disorder, they are having a conversation with a friend and suddenly they feel bored and dont want to offend their friend so they split their focus mentally they are noticing something other than the conversation say that plant on the table, while another part of their focus is on the conversation appearing to be normal and not bored. children do this oh so well. another term for this type of example is selective attention, which any normal non dissociative disordered person can do, another term for this in my location is multi tasking.

here in my location EP is defined as any part of self that is reactive and emotional. example someone with depression may one minute feel happy and the next react to something someone said with anger. someone with bipolar disorder can be ok one second and then next reacting emotionally. a person with menopause can one moment be fine and the next react emotionally to having hot flashes. a non disordered person can one moment be talking with their friends and the next a part of them reacts to something in the conversation with emotions.

my point of my posts was to show that in your location it may be a requirement for having an ANP and EP but most treatment providers no longer require an ANP and EP with in someones internal system of alters because most use the newer standards that distinct alters can be any alter not just an ANP and EP, and that there are many locations out there now that no longer use ANP and EP for the disordered level of having parts .

Again Im glad your location is using what terms \definitions works for you.