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Old Jun 24, 2014, 11:42 PM
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This is an interesting topic, and it can be a very sensitive one. I personally have mixed feelings about it, and I think there are pro's and con's for both sides.

I think there has to be somewhat of a self-diagnosis, to a point. I think that if there isn't at least a little bit of a self-dx, then no one would even get to the doctors at all. And doctors do make mistakes, and misdiagnose, and all that.
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Old Jun 25, 2014, 10:53 AM
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Way to use an extreme to define a norm. By the definition of extremes, these are outliers.

What harm did this diagnosis do?

So they were pregnant and didn't tell their doctor about hallucinations/delusions? At that point, it's not self-diagnosis's fault. When you're pregnant, you tell your doctor EVERYTHING because it's ALL relevant. Also, did this do harm to the baby? Anemia is quite common in pregnancy because the baby takes the iron from the pregnant person. If untreated with iron supplements, iron levels will go back to normal after birth.

Extreme to define a norm. Also this person had a very atypical case of diabetes, or they had physical symptoms they didn't think were related. I mean it's atypical anyway because hearing voices doesn't even appear on diabetes symptoms lists. At any rate, not paying attention to all the symptoms and diagnosing based on the symptoms you deem relevant is something that doctors deal with too. They misdiagnose too. All. The. Time.

This could have been written by my mother. Except she WAS diagnosed with depression only to be RE diagnosed with MS. That thing I just said about doctors misdiagnosing........


My personal position is there's nothing wrong with self-diagnosis. You cannot receive treatment through self-diagnosis and self-medication is a very different issue. Research is key, but pretty much everyone I know who has self-diagnosed has researched and researched and researched. At the end of the day, it leaves people feeling less alone, more understood, and less scared. And that's really what we should hope for people.

No one has ever been able to give me a reason why self-diagonsis is wrong. Just outlier stories of people who missed symptoms and who misdiagnosed themselves. Usually, these stories are presented to me by people who think that doctors do no wrong. Who have not seen their family members and their friends misdiagnosed and thrown under the bus by the medical community, who have not themselves been thrown under the bus by the medical community time and time again.

I'll end here with a story. This isn't so much self-diagnosis as it is unqualified diagnosis.. but from the time I learned what bipolar was... I was about 10. I diagnosed my father with it. He had been officially diagnosed with major depression, but I knew that wasn't the whole story. I saw him in mania. I knew what that meant. I even approached him about it, and I knew he had already heard that before due to his reactions. But he didn't want to face the truth, I guess. He got addicted to drugs chasing the mania and alcohol to try and forget the mania while in his depressed states. Last year, he finally brought these thoughts to his therapist/psychiatrist while detoxing from meth. How much pain would my family be spared if my dad listened to 10 year old me's diagnosis?
what harm did it do for the person in my post who self diagnosed with bipolar disorder when she had perimenopause/ menopause...she ended up on medication for bipolar which causes a non bipolar person to have suicidal feelings, hallucinations and delusions, not to mention many physical health problems due to having medication she did not need. she ended up in the hospital psych ward where they took her off the bipolar meds and told her that they were going to start out with a clean slate, to disregard everything she found online and what others have told her. to relax, let the professionals do their job. she was placed on hormones (the birth control pill rather than the bipolar meds) and she was fine. if she had not tried to self diagnose she could have saved herself a whole years worth of problems, a hefty emergency hospitalization bill, and loss of her job, loss of friends.

no she did not realize she was pregnant, (yes it is possible to be pregnant with out missing a period,and with out morning sickness and no weight gain.) if she had gone to a doctor rather then self diagnosing she would have found out she was pregnant and that anemia (not enough red blood cells to carry oxygen in her body) can cause a person to have hallucinations and delusions. instead she self diagnosed with schizophrenia. she could have saved herself and her future daughter a lot of problems if she had been correctly diagnosed with pregnancy anemia rather than self diagnosing. when she finally did go to her psychiatrist he sent her to the medical doctor to rule out a few physical things that can cause hallucinations/delusions, at which point she discovered she was pregnant.

no if anemia isnt treated during pregnancy that means the baby isnt getting enough nutrients and oxygen. anemia is when a persons body due to lack of iron doesnt produce red blood cells. red blood cells carry nutrients and oxygen through the body. her daughter ended up with many physical problems and deformities because she didnt develop correctly in the womb due to lack of oxygen and nutrients.

self diagnosing may be ok for you but ....for me and those I know....I do not recommend it. and do not believe its in the best interest and I believe it does more harm then good.
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Old Jun 25, 2014, 03:25 PM
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I don't really care too much about it, besides if people say that then they are being clear that they have not been professionally diagnosed so its not like they are lying about having a condition they don't. Also though I don't think most people go looking up symptoms of mental disorders unless they are worried they have one, Or if they have to for psychology class or they are just curious about mental disorders and how the brain works.

I think its a good idea to seek professional advice/diagnoses, but then that is not necessarily infallible either. There are plenty of not so competent mental health professionals at least that is the impression I've gotten. But yeah its difficult to really get much help with your condition without a professional diagnoses...and if it prevents you from holding a job its unlikely to be approved for disability without any medical records.

I knew I had PTSD before I could get it diagnosed....I didn't even want to think I had it, so when no one I tried to talk to would take it seriously I thought 'cool maybe I really don't have it then' and so I managed to just wall it up inside graduate highschool, then I went to college and ended up dropping out when my mental health really went to crap and I could not stand how I felt so lots of drugs and alcohol where consumed during that period of time to not feel like that. Then I decided to read up a little on PTSD for some reason just about everything I read was pretty much an exact fit and then I was pissed that when I brought it up to the school counseler and tried to go to therapy through the place I was seeing a therapist for depression at for a while I couldn't get any help and had it dismissed and now was stuck with it since without early treatment and support the prognosis is not usually 'cured'. Finally after having a number of therapist and other mental health professionals saying its very unlikely I don't have PTSD I got it on paper recently as an actual diagnoses.
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Old Jun 25, 2014, 05:43 PM
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I think it is super weird if a self DX gets you meds! I can't walk into a doc office and claim I have BP and they say Oh fine here have some Zyprexa and Depakote. If docs do that they don't deserve to be docs.

If you are a doc and someone claims to have something, of course you take what they say in count, at the same time you run a so called DIFFERENTIAL DX.

Aaahhh!
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Old Jun 27, 2014, 12:51 AM
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what harm did it do for the person in my post who self diagnosed with bipolar disorder when she had perimenopause/ menopause...she ended up on medication for bipolar which causes a non bipolar person to have suicidal feelings, hallucinations and delusions, not to mention many physical health problems due to having medication she did not need. she ended up in the hospital psych ward where they took her off the bipolar meds and told her that they were going to start out with a clean slate, to disregard everything she found online and what others have told her. to relax, let the professionals do their job. she was placed on hormones (the birth control pill rather than the bipolar meds) and she was fine. if she had not tried to self diagnose she could have saved herself a whole years worth of problems, a hefty emergency hospitalization bill, and loss of her job, loss of friends.

no she did not realize she was pregnant, (yes it is possible to be pregnant with out missing a period,and with out morning sickness and no weight gain.) if she had gone to a doctor rather then self diagnosing she would have found out she was pregnant and that anemia (not enough red blood cells to carry oxygen in her body) can cause a person to have hallucinations and delusions. instead she self diagnosed with schizophrenia. she could have saved herself and her future daughter a lot of problems if she had been correctly diagnosed with pregnancy anemia rather than self diagnosing. when she finally did go to her psychiatrist he sent her to the medical doctor to rule out a few physical things that can cause hallucinations/delusions, at which point she discovered she was pregnant.

no if anemia isnt treated during pregnancy that means the baby isnt getting enough nutrients and oxygen. anemia is when a persons body due to lack of iron doesnt produce red blood cells. red blood cells carry nutrients and oxygen through the body. her daughter ended up with many physical problems and deformities because she didnt develop correctly in the womb due to lack of oxygen and nutrients.

self diagnosing may be ok for you but ....for me and those I know....I do not recommend it. and do not believe its in the best interest and I believe it does more harm then good.
I'm a little curious how your one friend was prescribed bipolar meds on a self diagnosis alone.
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Old Jul 06, 2014, 10:25 PM
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I'm a little curious how your one friend was prescribed bipolar meds on a self diagnosis alone.
it is very easy to end up on the wrong meds. medicating a person is not always easy. just read the boards and theres usually more than one posting a week of members telling how their treatment providers tried them on the wrong meds, or hey are having horrible side effects that clearly show they may need a medication check or medication change....especially when there are so many symptoms that are shared by many mental and physical health problems....

menopause symptoms.....tired, depressed, rapid mood swings, extreme highs, extreme lows, memory problems, other emotional/mental symptoms...

bipolar disorder symptoms.....tired depressed, rapid mood swings, extreme highs, extreme lows, memory problems, and other emotional mental symptoms
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Old Jul 08, 2014, 08:07 PM
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Sounds more like the doc was in the wrong than that the self DX did it. Docs can get it wrong too! (A reason not to totally diss critical thinking.)
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Old Jul 11, 2014, 01:54 AM
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it is very easy to end up on the wrong meds. medicating a person is not always easy. just read the boards and theres usually more than one posting a week of members telling how their treatment providers tried them on the wrong meds, or hey are having horrible side effects that clearly show they may need a medication check or medication change....especially when there are so many symptoms that are shared by many mental and physical health problems....

menopause symptoms.....tired, depressed, rapid mood swings, extreme highs, extreme lows, memory problems, other emotional/mental symptoms...

bipolar disorder symptoms.....tired depressed, rapid mood swings, extreme highs, extreme lows, memory problems, and other emotional mental symptoms
I don't think you understood my ????? What I'm saying is that doctors don't go by what someone diagnosis themselves with. Like if I go in and say, "I decided I have bipolar" they're not gonna turn around and just hand over the meds without someone kind of examination. I understand that docs dont always get the dx right, but they don't just take someone at their word if they just walk in and say, "I have such and such illness."
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I don't think you understood my ????? What I'm saying is that doctors don't go by what someone diagnosis themselves with. Like if I go in and say, "I decided I have bipolar" they're not gonna turn around and just hand over the meds without someone kind of examination. I understand that docs dont always get the dx right, but they don't just take someone at their word if they just walk in and say, "I have such and such illness."
some doctors do trust that their clients are the best at knowing their own bodies and trust them to report the symptoms to them and then diagnose hem according to what symptoms the client says they have. doctors do this all the time....

to the doctor I am coughing, sneezing, and cant breath out of my nose....

doctor to patient...yea sounds like you have a cold take two tylenol every 4 hours, and some cough syrup too if needed

doctor I cant stop crying, I feel sad all the time, Im not interested in things I used to do.....

doctor to patient...yea sounds like you have depression lets try this meds.

doctor it seems like I have extreme highs where Im very happy then out of no where I crash and am so down I want to die then a bit later things go back up hill...

doctor to patient yea sounds like you might have bipolar disorder lets try this meds and see what happens.

here in NY we have many small towns where the doctors, psychiatrists therapists have known their patients for years so they have built up trust in their clients to tell them what their problems/ symptoms are.

this person I am posting about was still getting a period so she could not tell the doctor that she had missed periods. all she had to go on was what she found by using her phones internet and her treatment providers went on what she was able to tell them about what her symptoms were. just like any other doctor listens to their patents complaints/ symptoms and then treats the symptoms.

you may not agree by how treatment providers here in NY work and thats ok. this is how its done here.
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My experience is the total opposite. If I claim I have something, they will be very critical to the idea and really try to explain it away. That is why I never mention what I suspect, I only talk symptoms. The only time I actually presented my self DX was when I speeded an appointment up because all I needed was antibiotics for Lyme, so I said hey I have Lyme, I got bit by tick this and that many weeks ago I saw the tick I removed it and this is the rash. He agreed.

I would never dare doing that with a more complex DX.
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It depends on the diagnosis and whether your insight is impaired or not. I thought my only issue was social anxiety....I don't really like interacting with other people irl all that much turns out I had psychosis...I didn't realize I was hearing voices I thought I was getting telepathic communications.....if the way you perceive the world is broken then you can't make an accurate self-diagnosis.

If I had just trusted my self-dx I would not have gotten the meds I needed. Luckily my friends/coworkers realized something was wrong and got me help....
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Hi,
I LOVE your question.
I go to school for psychology. My last psych class was Abnormal Psych (all the disorders).
I have always been a self-diagnoser and one to diagnose others (tip: be careful who you diagnose...some people dont like it, haha.)
I diagnosed myself with panic disorder maybe half a year ago.
A few weeks ago, I diagnosed myself with bpd.
I own the DSM 5 and even w.o it, it is easy to find the dsm criterion for each disorder so one can see exactly what is needed to have a diagnosis.

The only problems with self diagnosing are 1: personal biases (people often see themselves differently than how others see them-to put it briefly) and 2: the person may not have an accurate understanding of the criterion needed for diagnosis.

If those two things are not an issue, there is no problem or necessary fallacy with self-diagnosis.
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Hi,
I LOVE your question.
I go to school for psychology. My last psych class was Abnormal Psych (all the disorders).
I have always been a self-diagnoser and one to diagnose others (tip: be careful who you diagnose...some people dont like it, haha.)
I diagnosed myself with panic disorder maybe half a year ago.
A few weeks ago, I diagnosed myself with bpd.
I own the DSM 5 and even w.o it, it is easy to find the dsm criterion for each disorder so one can see exactly what is needed to have a diagnosis.

The only problems with self diagnosing are 1: personal biases (people often see themselves differently than how others see them-to put it briefly) and 2: the person may not have an accurate understanding of the criterion needed for diagnosis.

If those two things are not an issue, there is no problem or necessary fallacy with self-diagnosis.
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Zobothehobo, Thanks for starting this thread-I just joined today and 'Self-Diagnosis' is what brought me to the group.

For over 30yrs I have found myself looking back at the way I handle situations and talked myself into seeking help, only to talk myself out of help. So this morning (before starting my day) I googled self-diagnosis/bipolar. That was 10:00am this morning-and it's now almost 2:00. I haven't left the computer-or completed what I should have today.

My (adult) son -who was diagnosed as Bipolar (20yrs ago) lives in govt. housing,is on welfare, can't hold down a job or relationships and is just a mess. When he was a young adult I wondered if he really had a problem or if he just didn't want to grow up and work. All these years later I know he has a problem(condition), and after studying about it, I now believe I do too.

In my generation, as a young adult,wife, mom, business owner we "worked our problem out". Advice from our parents and culture. Now I know what a disservice I have done to my family by not reaching out sooner.

I haven't taken the time to read all the posts on this thread, yet look forward to learning from Ya'll,

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Old Jul 14, 2014, 10:11 PM
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I do not have anything against self diagnosis; I think we know ourselves better than someone else can and don't need a profession to tell us we are "anxious" or "depressed", etc. Diagnoses are used by professionals to help a patient/client, prescribe the right meds, or know what direction to work in but I don't know that self diagnoses can help/hurt more than professional ones or that professional ones are necessarily necessary ...I think most mental health diagnoses are based on questions asked us about ourselves and I think we can come to some of the same conclusions as a professional, with regards to most mental health questions.
Agreed. While I do understand some of the objections people have to it, I don't think it's all that accurate to compare diagnosing yourself with a physical condition, which is usually based on some kind of objective test, such as a scan or the testing of a blood sample, with diagnosing yourself with a mental disorder, which is based on what you're feeling or experiencing. I think people who recognize themselves in descriptions of mood or anxiety disorders, for example, quite often are onto something.

That said, it's best not to jump at the first explanation available, to realize that the same symptoms can have a number of different explanations, and to be open to new information and the possibility you're mistaken. Seems to me some of these harmful self-diagnoses mentioned here could have been avoided if people had done that. (And it's not like professionals never err in these same ways...)
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