Hello, all.

I’m not certain, but my last post may have been over two years ago.

You would think that there may have been some drastic changes over those years but, eh, not much. Med adjustments to deal with manic episodes, old diagnoses revived, more assertive (aggressive - I just don’t do the stupids or platitudes or anything breaching on the banal).

I’m not certain that I’ll be back, but... for some obvious national reasons I’ve become fascinated with DSM-5 Narcissistic Personality Disorder as well as the as-now-not-recognized “malignant narcissism.”

Now this is touchy...

Amazon.com, provider of my eBook purchases, has a huge collection of books and pamphlets &etc., The majority of these texts are items written by women who identify as victims of relationships with sociopathic narcissist men. I am no data extrapolator but I’m guessing that an actual diagnosable NPD could never accommodate the sheer numbers of women that so identify and praise these books as describing their relationships.

I. I. I have never met anyone displaying the behavior that I would expect from a narcissist - I’ve only seen two, perhaps, on television and those recently. I know what happens - I’ve read the book - I believe that I just got the goodbye look. (DF ref, sorry).

Yes, I’ve read about a dozen of the books. There is no set piece; that is, there is not a completely common description. There are many unbelievable descriptions - descriptions of men who could never fit into any society displaying the horrid behavior described.

I am skeptical that such an overwhelming number of men could be diagnosed with DSM-5 NPD. I am skeptical that so many women identify as victims of relationships with narcissists.

Just asking...

Hmm...I myself have wondered the same thing. Either there is a very high number of narcissists out there, or NPD is an inaccurate label used for other abusive behavior. NPD is VERY popular in the media and even on PsychCentral. Lol, go to the homepage and you're bound to find many articles on it.

At the same time, I dated someone who I thought was NPD. He was very into himself, didnt care about me or my feelings, was VERY manipulative, lied a lot, and was very abusive. he could very well just be a terrible person though. I think people feel better diagnosing assholes with something. But I don't know the statistics of NPD and how common it really is.

Ps: I don't understand your thread title.....

[pegasus]

Have you read... https://psychcentral.com/disorders/n...der-symptoms/#

I'm not really sure what your question is? Is NPD as prevalent as it appears to be? I think not. A few years ago everyone wanted to be 'bipolar' and it was a fashionable diagnosis. NPD is a hard diagnosis to be given.

Originally Posted by starrysky

Hmm...I myself have wondered the same thing. Either there is a very high number of narcissists out there, or NPD is an inaccurate label used for other abusive behavior. NPD is VERY popular in the media and even on PsychCentral. Lol, go to the homepage and you're bound to find many articles on it.

At the same time, I dated someone who I thought was NPD. He was very into himself, didnt care about me or my feelings, was VERY manipulative, lied a lot, and was very abusive. he could very well just be a terrible person though. I think people feel better diagnosing assholes with something. But I don't know the statistics of NPD and how common it really is.

Ps: I don't understand your thread title.....

There is an artistic game, popular when I was in college, called ‘exquisite corpse.’ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exquisite_corpse). Not so popular, now, I’m guessing? The ‘reanimation’ is a reference to Frankenstein’s monster or by any attempt to give that which is dead life.

So, my thread title means that I have been brought back to life from pieces of an artistic corpse. And, if you could see my scarred and wretched half-torso, you could see, with your eyes, the monster alive. I am a prankster’s experiment. I am a kind of - as they seem so popular in current American culture - a sort of evil zombie with an agenda. “Cruel to be kind, in the right measure.”

No, I don’t believe that this land is seeded with sociopaths only revealed in intimate relationships. I’ll visit the NPD forum, though, and pose the question there. I effing bleed for genuine victims (even my own) but I am suspect of those who cry victim, victim, victim, time and again and who take no responsibility for catering to arseholes.

I no longer have an email account that’s I use to see responses from anyone. I don’t have the gadgets to keep up with 3,000+ messages per day. I appreciate the opportunity to explain the name that I gave this re-introductory thread as well as your take on these tortured souls crying victim.

Originally Posted by pegasus

Have you read... https://psychcentral.com/disorders/n...der-symptoms/#

I'm not really sure what your question is? Is NPD as prevalent as it appears to be? I think not. A few years ago everyone wanted to be 'bipolar' and it was a fashionable diagnosis. NPD is a hard diagnosis to be given.

I will read; thank you.

I’m not certain that, given the diagnostic criteria, that NPD is that difficult a diagnosis? Aren’t we experiencing the symptoms played out daily?

Bipolar, yes. Um, I lied for years upon years to hide my previous diagnoses. I was caught out by unacceptable mania. The house of cards fell and I re-entered that round Zion of the water-bead, receiving proper treatment.

I still have my grandiose moments but I am able, I think, to be as well-tempered as any clavier.

Let me check your link! And thank you for it and your reply.

Originally Posted by ciderguy

There is an artistic game, popular when I was in college, called ‘exquisite corpse.’ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exquisite_corpse). Not so popular, now, I’m guessing? The ‘reanimation’ is a reference to Frankenstein’s monster or by any attempt to give that which is dead life.

So, my thread title means that I have been brought back to life from pieces of an artistic corpse. And, if you could see my scarred and wretched half-torso, you could see, with your eyes, the monster alive. I am a prankster’s experiment. I am a kind of - as they seem so popular in current American culture - a sort of evil zombie with an agenda. “Cruel to be kind, in the right measure.”

No, I don’t believe that this land is seeded with sociopaths only revealed in intimate relationships. I’ll visit the NPD forum, though, and pose the question there. I effing bleed for genuine victims (even my own) but I am suspect of those who cry victim, victim, victim, time and again and who take no responsibility for catering to arseholes.

I no longer have an email account that’s I use to see responses from anyone. I don’t have the gadgets to keep up with 3,000+ messages per day. I appreciate the opportunity to explain the name that I gave this re-introductory thread as well as your take on these tortured souls crying victim.

Yes, I read the link. And I scored 2 on the NPD quiz. I don’t have a mirror in my home because I’m ugly. Why would I want daily affirmation of same? What was missing from the article was the certainty that the narcissist is a sociopath, at the least, and, at worst, a psychopath.

We need to re-introduce these words into mental health discussions. And we can’t allow the nancy-boys and pantywaists to anonymously determine those horrible diagnoses.

[eskielover]

My opinion not founded on statistics but observation is that many people who claim to be abused by NPD people are actually dealing with narcissistic tendencies rather than a wholly diagnosed person.

The behaviors in my ex came across in some areas as being narcissistic..but researching farther what I realized actually were his behaviors have some areas that look very similar to the way a narcissist would react but the foundation of the behavior was totally different than NPD.

Many people only look at one possibility & stick that label on without actually researching farther.....& in reality everyone has some tendency at one time or another in their REACTIONS to respond in a narcissistic way especially when they feel the need to defend themself against something but in reality are as far from being NPD as night is from day.

Originally Posted by eskielover

My opinion not founded on statistics but observation is that many people who claim to be abused by NPD people are actually dealing with narcissistic tendencies rather than a wholly diagnosed person.

The behaviors in my ex came across in some areas as being narcissistic..but researching farther what I realized actually were his behaviors have some areas that look very similar to the way a narcissist would react but the foundation of the behavior was totally different than NPD.

Many people only look at one possibility & stick that label on without actually researching farther.....& in reality everyone has some tendency at one time or another in their REACTIONS to respond in a narcissistic way especially when they feel the need to defend themself against something but in reality are as far from being NPD as night is from day.

Oh, goodness. Now, Red was my first HORSE but Joker (sleek and black and MY gelding from 5yo-15) was my beloved. Oh, but the girls (pardon, dear, I have always fancied girls, women, the fairer sex) loved to go to the stables and we would ride the trails of power lines and the trails never ended, up and down slipping on wet grass and, luv, is the scent of horse dung not amongst the most memorable of all?

Now. NBP. I’m hesitant to even write ‘narcissistic tendencies,’ because of the psychiatric diagnostic implications AND my personal beliefs that the NPD’s are sociopaths (sociopathy only referred to once in current DSM). The stroke is too broad why not, Really Effing Selfish Basterds? The likelihood of being in a relationship with a real Theodore Bundy? No, not, not at all.

I’m lovin’ that RESEARCH. The needs of those lacking in a secure sense of self can mirror, I think, those of the ‘narcissist.’

Abandonment. I know that, in my last and final relationship, I fought the end with a myriad of reactions and that for a string of three-something months I displayed a (manic episode) personality that could have been called narcissistic. A frantic display to stay FINAL ABANDONMENT.

I’ll explore this further. Thanks...

[unaluna]

Well im glad to see youre still with us.

[pegasus]

Originally Posted by ciderguy

I will read; thank you.

I’m not certain that, given the diagnostic criteria, that NPD is that difficult a diagnosis? Aren’t we experiencing the symptoms played out daily?

Bipolar, yes. Um, I lied for years upon years to hide my previous diagnoses. I was caught out by unacceptable mania. The house of cards fell and I re-entered that round Zion of the water-bead, receiving proper treatment.

I still have my grandiose moments but I am able, I think, to be as well-tempered as any clavier.

Let me check your link! And thank you for it and your reply.

I'm not saying NPD is a difficult diagnosis, I'm saying it's a hard one to live with. Any label is hard to live with but NPD is particularly difficult with the stigma attached. If you are diagnosed with bipolar, I believe there are ups and downs, that doesn't make you NPD.

[Sunflower123]

Thanks for the link to the narcissistic quiz. I scored a 2. The average is 12-15. The whole time I was taking the quiz I thought maybe I needed to work on my esteem a little. What it did point out to me, if you look at the questions on the quiz, that because someone is diagnosed narcissistic it doesn't follow that they are a sociopath.

Good thread.

[eskielover]

Oh, goodness. Now, Red was my first HORSE but Joker (sleek and black and MY gelding from 5yo-15) was my beloved. Oh, but the girls (pardon, dear, I have always fancied girls, women, the fairer sex) loved to go to the stables and we would ride the trails of power lines and the trails never ended, up and down slipping on wet grass and, luv, is the scent of horse dung not amongst the most memorable of all?

ah wonderful memories of times past. Would have loved to have had a horse during my growing up years....didn't get mine until second half of my life....good at this point in my life....making all new life memories & forgetting the past.

I think mant of the DSM diagnoses have a spectrum level of their own similar to ASD. everyone in the world deals with depression, anxiety, etc....whether its dibilitating to the point of being DSM diagnosed is another story.....think this applies to ALMOST everything found in the DSM.

There are so many mis-diagnoses because there are similarities between symptoms of different MI's & co-morbid illnesses that actually seem like they almost go together.

I also think that many who claim to be affected by someone with a MI are probably doing what I did after leaving. I researched anything that sounded like it had possibility of describing the behaviors. Researching I would see some fit & other things didnt. Would hold onto that thought until I came up with something that seemed more accurate. It didn't mean that the behaviors didn't fit the previous description but also fit into the new one. I finally came across ASD & it was a perfect fit but could definitely see how the behaviors could have been a part of many other possibilities. He must have liked his Dx of adult ADD & his pdoc just telling there is something more wrong with him that he needed a neurologist to determine.....ASD/Asperger's was a new diagnosis at the time......but I was sure there was narcissism in his behavior also until in researching ASD, It became obvious where the foundation of the behavior was coming from

Dang look alikes are probably why it's so hard to determine a correct diagnosis.

[eskielover]

Oh, goodness. Now, Red was my first HORSE but Joker (sleek and black and MY gelding from 5yo-15) was my beloved. Oh, but the girls (pardon, dear, I have always fancied girls, women, the fairer sex) loved to go to the stables and we would ride the trails of power lines and the trails never ended, up and down slipping on wet grass and, luv, is the scent of horse dung not amongst the most memorable of all?

ah wonderful memories of times past. Would have loved to have had a horse during my growing up years....didn't get mine until second half of my life....good at this point in my life....making all new life memories & forgetting the past.

I think mant of the DSM diagnoses have a spectrum level of their own similar to ASD. everyone in the world deals with depression, anxiety, etc....whether its dibilitating to the point of being DSM diagnosed is another story.....think this applies to ALMOST everything found in the DSM.

There are so many mis-diagnoses because there are similarities between symptoms of different MI's & co-morbid illnesses that actually seem like they almost go together.

I also think that many who claim to be affected by someone with a MI are probably doing what I did after leaving. I researched anything that sounded like it had possibility of describing the behaviors. Researching I would see some fit & other things didnt. Would hold onto that thought until I came up with something that seemed more accurate. It didn't mean that the behaviors didn't fit the previous description but also fit into the new one. I finally came across ASD & it was a perfect fit but could definitely see how the behaviors could have been a part of many other possibilities. He must have liked his Dx of adult ADD & his pdoc just telling there is something more wrong with him that he needed a neurologist to determine.....ASD/Asperger's was a new diagnosis at the time......but I was sure there was narcissism in his behavior also until in researching ASD, It became obvious where the foundation of the behavior was coming from

Dang look alikes are probably why it's so hard to determine a correct diagnosis.