2012 talk

"We live in a culture that continually seeks to entertain or at least distract us with an endless spew of personal narratives, whether paraded on lowbrow talk shows or parsed in literary novels. If you step outside of the cultural framing, you suddenly become aware of the mechanism that keeps us addicted to the spectacle – and, above all, hooked on ego.
Our entire culture is dedicated to inciting and then placating the desires and fears of the individual ego – what the media critic Thomas de Zengotita calls “the flattered self.” Although they use different language to define it, the various theorists on the evolution of the psyche all agree that the crux of our current crisis requires that we transcend the ego. They suggest that the stage of material progress and scientific discovery we attained in the last centuries is not the end of human development, but the launching pad for another stage in our growth. However, this next stage differs from previous phases in one essential way – it requires a “mutation in consciousness” that can only be self-willed and self-directed. According to this paradigm, it is as if physical evolution has done billions of years of work on our behalf, to get us to this point.
Right now, it is our choice whether we would like to go forward, or fall by the wayside like untold millions of other species, who over-adapted to one set of conditions, and could not recreate themselves as their environment changed. In his influential book, Pain, Sex and Time, the British polymath Gerald Heard defined three stages in human evolution – physical, technical, and psychical. “The first is unconscious – blind; the second is conscious, unreflective, aware of its need but not of itself, of how, not why; the third is interconscious, reflective, knowing not merely how to satisfy its needs but what they mean and the Whole means,” wrote Heard, who believed we were on the cusp of switching from the technical to the psychical level of development.
As we enter the psychic phase, we shift “from indirect to direct expansion of understanding, at this point man’s own self-consciousness decides and can alone decide whether he will mutate, and the mutation is instantaneous.”
Heard wrote, “[Man]bleeds himself constantly because he fears mental apoplexy if he can find no way of releasing his huge store of nervous energy.” Heard foresaw the necessity of a new form of self-discipline, a training in concentrating psychic energy to develop extra-sensory perception, as the proper way to channel the excess of nervous hypertension that would otherwise lead to our destruction. He thought that we would either evolve into a “supraindividual” condition, or the uncontrolled energies would force us back into “preindividuated” identifications, leading to nationalist wars and totalitarian fervors, and species burn-out.
A sign I saw at last year’s Burning Man put it succinctly: “From Ego to We Go.” As the climate changes and our environment deteriorates, we are being subjected to tremendous evolutionary pressures that could push us beyond individuation, into a deeply collaborative mindset and a new threshold of psychic awareness. Seventy years after Heard’s manifesto, whether or not we want to evolve as a species remains an open question. But the choice is in our hands.
Daniel Pinchbeck

12.12.12........Hmmmm.

I've heard so much about that date that it's stuck in mind.
Of course, even if it were true, it effects me not, as there is not a thing I can do about it other than doing exactly what I'm doing now. Live for today. Be concerned about the things that I can only change, and don't sweat the small stuff. And, so far....

~Create your own reality consciously, rather than living as though you have no control over your life.

~Choice is the life process. With every new moment of change, we are free to make a new choice.

And even if the world does end that fateful day, then at least I have lived my life by MY choices between now and then... had some fun, shared some love, helped others along my way....lived for the day, dealt with tomorrow as it rose with the sun.......It's all good.

Shangrala

Thanks all for youre views, i agree totally with you but just wanted to see what others were thinking
Roxyanne1

P.S I didnt see a movie(didnt even know there was one) just saw it on tele.

Roxyanne1

The Mayans hold a lot of mysteries, for sure! But I don't believe they had a bead on what the Creator of this world and the universe had in mind about the end of any age including this one. There is a new age coming. Let's face it, the world can't continue like it is right now. But it's not the Mayan's call.

Some of you may not have been around in the '50s when the Catholic Church predicted that the world was going to end in 1960. I don't believe the world is going to end... just life as we know it now.

You know what? The mayan calender didn't even have the same number of days as ours...so their 2012 is more like our 2007... as for Nostradamus, havn't their been times where he has been wrong before?

So yeah, I'm not worried

this whole discussion is so weird to me. i haven't heard anything about 2012 in australia, and it seems so weird that there is a bit of hysteria going on about it in the US? to be honest, i haven't heard of the mayan calander either. *shrug*

no doubt if (when) the hollywood movie gets released in Aus (a good 12 months after you guys see it!) we will be like "eh, another hollywood flick" and probably not even get that there was meant to be some sort of cashing in on ppl's fears about the imminent end of the world.

I'm not to concerned about 2012. The media plays a large roll in this. It's just like all these flu's that been going around. It's there, but there isn't to much that we can do about it. We can only live in the moment. The only thing that I can think of that could relate to this 2012 is something that I have read about all the planets in the solar system lining up together. If anyone is really concerned about this, it would be a good idea to do some studying on the subject in all directions.

Perhaps it's just me...but.....Have you ever noticed how, not all but, far too many American's, (and, yeps...I'm one of em, though only by the fate of my geopraphical relation), put such emphasis on the DOOM of things?

Has it ever occurred to these doom thinkers, (and sure...that mentality is global, but seemingly centered in the states), the reoccurring connection between the sensationalizing of doom and Hollywood?
(A prime example is Zeitgeist-The Movie. Talk about doom, devistation and destruction. Sad thing is...people actually believe ALL of this).

Hmmm...Just what IS that connection, exactly? And, what does that connection tell us?
Of course, if you seek out doom, you are bound to find it. That is ONLY logical. Hollywood, (or more accurately, the American mentality), knows this and certainly has learned how to capitalize upon it, (among all the other means of manipulations we seem to be so honed upon).

Lord Almighty! Look at reason here! Learn to think for yourself!
How much more obvious can the sensationalizing of this DOOM scenerio be before you see what is REALLY happening here? Lmao!

I don't mean to offend anyone here, especially my fellow Americans, but....roflmao....C'monnnnnnnn.

America in its own right represents "independence". (Although, the mentality of independence is global, depending on the individual mind, of course).
Independence means what? (American's celebrate it every year...We should know what we are celebrating?)

It means, "freedom from the control or influence of others".
(Omg!....Is THAT what we've been blowing off all those fireworks in celebration for annually?)

With independence comes the freedom of thought? Yet, so many of us American's seem to fall prey to anything which they see on the screen. Hypnotized. Brainwashed. Captivated by the glorified limelight.. (and...we actually PAY money for it!!!.....lol). This is EXACTLY what those "greedies" of sensationalizing bank on.....YOUR simpleton thinking.

Let's amuse ourselves for a moment here.....
IF, and that's a huge speculation, there really is a "D" day, (apparently in this case it's December 12th, 2012), then does it not make MORE sense to understand that since this "D" day IS the result of a NATURAL disaster, thus out of any ONE person's control, (let alone, heaven forbid, a global unity), that that means there is absolutely NOTHING any of us can do it to prevent it?
With that as a (hypothetical) realization....Does it not make more sense to accept that for what it IS, and convert our focus on what time we do have remaining?..Which, according to that date, is NOT a whole lot of time remaining? ....3 years, 5 months and 12 days?
(Yes...I had to add that up on paper...lmao...I may be aware of some things, but totally oblivious to math in ANY form.....lol).

Hmm...let's see here....I have a choice....
I can either choose to live my remaining days paranoid over the fact that our existance as I know it will end, regardless. Deny myself those limited possible opportunities of obtaining anything which may make me happy, even if for a lil while....
or....
Choose to accept my reality as it is...My days really are numbered. And begin to obtain what really matters in life...Appreciation of the little things. Sharing time with those who matter to me. Enjoyment of what living really provides.
Hmmm....tough call....?

It is my independent choice to utilize those 41 months and 12 days to my fullest. Focus on obtaining what happiness I can. Sharing that with those I love. Treating everyone with the kindness and respect that I hope to receive in return.....and understanding that what I see on the screen is Hollywood at it's finest.......Capitalization of ignorance.

And even if the 'miracle' of survival is casted upon us beyond that "D" date, then I have still conducted myself appropriately for all concerned through my own independent choice.

Live for today as though it really is the beginning of that countdown.

Shangrala

I'm not worried either.

The whole point of my rant being that doom seekers create their reality =)

So i guess what I am worried about (and angry about) is that Hollywood IS cashing in on this, thus creating a direct line of manifestation for *something* negative.

And I am hoping to deflect it by asking people to counterbalance it by focusing on the positive - expecially on opening day of this movie.

=)

I so agree!
I'm sorry Kiya, if I seemed as thought I was implying that you, or anyone here (who has replied on your thread), was wallowing in the doom theory, thus encouraging it.
Not what I was saying.
I'm with you on this...Boycott the movie. Make your independece heard through your actions.

(Sometimes, certain idiotic subjects &/or behaviors jab at me to the point of irritation and I get carried away with some really wordy responses).

Hope I hadn't offended you, or anyone else who supports your outlook.

Take care~

Shangrala

im willing to bet any 2012 ers that we will still be here on 12/22/2012 and the world will still be the same as it was the day before. There will be no quantum jumps in human consciousness on that day but human consciousness will continue to evolve slowly. as far as nostradomus goes, his predictions are made to fit events after they happen as in oh yeah that must be what he meant. no one has made accurate predictions about the future from his writings or drawings. ok any takers?

It's all good Shangrala =)

*Comes in*

I'm actually scared of this..although I did live through 1999-2000, even though I was four, rofl [I'm 13 now]. I think a kid worries a lot more, and it's even harder on someone with anxiety issues.

BUT, I have another side in me saying it aint true..because of my own theories, LOL. [Yes, I have them ].
I believe that for one, just because a mayan guy says we're gonna die in 2012, doesn't make it true, but I could be wrong. And also, if something big like this were to happen, of all triple digit dates, you'd think it would be 6.6.6 or something, and we lived through that, although nothing was actually predicted for that.

I don't remember correctly, but I don't think I recall and other "doomsday" years back, at anytime, besides Y2K, but like I said I was 4 and didn't have sense to think we'd all die.

About the Nostradamus dude..I recall my grandmother saying the name, but never actually have looked him up...and according to these posts, he's been wrong before.

I guess I'm only worried because for 1, I'm 13 and planned on living a life from here on, and 2, I guess I do have some fear of death.

*Goes out*

Thanks for your post. People have been saying the world would end for the past 2000 years. Obviously it hasn't yet =) I am resting on that fact.