Cleavage...the fashion trend!

Sameera, thanks, I actually found that really interesting.

EnglishTeacher, your 'cow' comment made me laugh! But I do agree with your original message, and I certainly value mystery far more than the "slutty" style.

My husband teaches high school math. He says it's impossible for male teachers to enforce dress codes on female students in his district. If the girl shows cleavage, or shows her thong, etc etc the male teacher will be accused of ogling the girl if he tries to enforce the policy. Teachers have had complaints taken to the superintendent by a girl's parents because a male teacher asked the girl to cover up or go home (the policy).

This created quite a problem for him when a girl once asked him why boys were following her around....(she was wearing a short skirt and a bare midriff top). Fortunately the parents understood that my hubby wasn't trying to be a dirty old man and the girl understood that too.

It would be nice if there wasn't pressure for young people to be as sexualized as possible in appearance....

OMG!!!

Dear LORD!!!

One of the many positive things I can say about my "no cleavage" is that the guys always looked me in the eyes!

I don't understand this either, I've never gotten the whole "full exposure, look at me" type of dressing.

I"m not saying you have to be in a full body wrap, but geez there is a limit!!!! I live in an area that it is popular for college kids from across the state to come and camp and boat on summer break, and damn I've seen more skin than I have ever wanted too, these people think because we are a vacation tourist type town they can pretty much walk around near nude...no you can't the sign says shoes SHIRT and pants.... so please put your shirt on nobody wants to see your ta tas!

I just think it's really sad that young girls feel they have to show their body to get attention, granted I'm young myself, but some of the girls I have college courses with think the only way they can get a guy is to walk around showing everything. They don't know how to respect themselves or their bodies,

I know I dress so men look at me and want to talk at me, not just well... we'll leave it at that...

pfff just everyone put some damn clothes on geeez!

I'm going to be the first to take a different opinion here. Maybe it is because I have never had much boobs or cleavage, but when I find a shirt that is low cut and still acutally makes me look like I have a little cleavage, I love it. Or a good bra that creates more cleavage. I certainly don't love it for attention and I'm not looking to impress. I'm happily married. I dress the way I dress for me and me alone. It makes me feel good and confident and happy to wear something low cut and look good in it.

Now I certainly agree that cleavage at school is inappropriate and at work it is unprofessional. But all other occasions, I feel, are simply up to the person wearing the clothes. If it makes you happy, wear it. I feel that schools go a little overboard with the dress codes anyway. I don't understand why a school girl can't wear a spaghetti strap shirt if it covers her breasts and doesn't show cleavage. It's a cute little shirt for goodness sake. Since when is it inappropriate to show shoulder? Also, shorts that are 3 inches above the knees. Well, what if they are 5 inches above the knee?? Two more inches make them inappropriate?? Geez, come on. As long as butt cheek is not showing, it is still just a leg. Besides, when I was in school it was almost impossible to find shorts that were the required 3 inches length above the knee. Long shorts are ugly and not stylish, IMHO. Therefore, they usually aren't in the stores available to buy.

Maybe I have a bit in common with the "non prudish Europeans". I tend to wonder why in the world we are all so shamed about our bodies.
I will admit that my husband is a boob guy. He likes it also when my shirts show a little cleave. He says it makes him feel proud to have such a good looking woman at his side. That makes me feel wonderful about myself and I love him for that. I think it is all just a matter of style and preference. We should all wear what we feel comfortable wearing.

good post la doctora, you got me thinking in another direction, always good to hear all sides of the matter, gets the wheels turning

Hmmm, there is the possibility of a need for clarification. First off there are appropriate places to wear different types of clothes. I think most here will agree with that.

Also it depends on the extent of how "low" cut the top is. A hint at the girls isn't bad, showing them off for all to see just doesn't look right though. I see a lot of the latter around the campus and that is where I am drawing my opinions from.

I will agree that there are some tops that are a little low cut, hint at the girls but still maintain some modesty that looks good. It is difficult to get a clear definition out there of what any one of us is talking about exactly so there is plenty of opportunity for people to mistake what any of us might mean.

As for a bra that brings the girls up, well that is more about body shape than anything. That also can be fine, just if it is in combination with showing the girls to the world it only makes matters worse in my opinion. However if the shirt over the top still is just hinting at the girls it can look quite attractive.

I will remind everyone that I am a guy so my opinions might be different from what many will have. Then again my opinions are different from a lot of guys. Some feel that the more skin they can see the better, I don't feel that way.

I agree that too much cleavage is being shown. Sometimes it gets out of hand. I work in a business office and we have a dress code that is enforced. I had one rare instance where one of the women wore her shirt unbuttoned far lower than it should have been. I had to tell her to button it up so people couldn't see what she didn't have. I swear she was flat as a broad. I was like girl please let people think you do have something.LOL

Wow, yeah I have seen that a few times too. I tend to prefer things in the B-C range but I have seen a few dressed in a way that kind of makes me wonder what they were thinking.

Of course you also get that occasional girl who, well just doesn't have anything who tries to make people think she does.

The funny thing is, if you are attractive as a whole, breast size really doesn't matter. Well I would argue that it really doesn't matter in any situation but when talking about looks alone, you get the idea.

It is better to generally look good over all, not have any one part of the body that is good but let the rest go and hope nobody notices anything but what you want them to focus on.

Hmmm, talk about dancing around the point, what I will do to try not to offend or be too vulgar. I just hope that it made some semblance of sense.

Hi all--la doctora, you were not the first to have a different opinion here--others have replied in kind.

It was, and is, my misfortune to have been given way too ample a bust--at 12 a 34Cup.

I have hated it always and envied those who could go without a bra.

My ex used to call them "boulder holders"--they are expensive, and you must spend a great deal of money to get the right support for your back, if you are slim and have all this stupid adipose tissue up front--you are just plain top heavy.

Through the years, I have had many females comment on how "lucky" I am to have so much ---and all I could do was envy them their lack of---all they could do was go on and be jealous and catty.

Nowadays- especially here in Plastic World--most cleavage is just saline (Plastic surgery--augmentation of the breasts) You can spot them a mile off-----

They annoy me too. I just get annoyed alot, by the need to attempt to look like others. We are who we are--and we must do the best with what we have-JMO

By messing with nature---just call me a nuisance with a large bust size, and a medium frame----theo

Looks like i killed the thread---there i go again----just want to add; it's all just fatty tissue-adipose tissue--what's to love about hefty tah tahs???
-------------------------------------theo

I apologize in advance if I come across as though I'm directly targeting your opinion, as it isn't toward YOU as a person, but your comments in themselves, (as well as any other's who responds similar to that of yours).

After reading your reply, I couldn't help but to respond to this, as, IMO, it is this sort of attitude which contributes greatly to why many women who are underdeveloped go through life feeling displaced, (and some to the point of resorting to surgery to obtain a sense of acceptance for themselves BECAUSE of how they are viewed, teased and left feeling abnormal).

How fortunate it must be to develop the "complete" female exterior as how it "should" be for all other's to accept.
How wonderful it has to be, not to go through life being teased for being "flat as a board". Or, to hate to shop for anything, (especially what's in fashion, because it's usually designed for a WELL developed set of breasts).

How DOES it feel? To be viewed as a complete woman BECAUSE you were born with the full package?
(I have to include, that this "majority opinion" applies to those women who are too large breasted, as well. They, too, are targeted, which is demeaning and unfair).

I spent my entire life feeling like an outcast because of what was not naturally given to me, enduring the relentless reminding through arrogant, judgmental attitudes.
However, that didn't stop me from wearing what I wanted. In fact, the fact that I was so tiny breasted allowed me to go topless in many instances without having to worry about stopping anyone dead in their tracks. But the fact remained that the decades of teasing, harboring all that humility, (pretending it didn't bother me) and struggling to feel accepted finally effected me to the point that, (at the age of 50), I finally gave to myself what mother nature overlooked.

For the first time in my life, I finally felt "NORMAL".
I would have been perfectly fine with who I was AS I was (as, I had no problems with my body....It was all of the other's who couldn't accept the fact that this body of mine wasn't like theirs).
Almost 40 years of ridicule and humiliation...the name calling....and finally, a husband who just HAD to add to it all....I finally cracked. I gave in.

I don't regret one moment of it. I wish I could have done it FAR sooner, as NO ONE should have to go through life feeling so inadequate simply because you are different.

So, screw all of you who tease the minority, (whether directly, or indirectly), because of the fact that ANYONE is different because they do not measure up to what you, the majority, deems as what is "normal".

End of rant.
My apologies for it's extreme.

Shangrala

I tend to agree with this theory.
Not only through the dairy are we receiving a lot of hormones, but through just about everything we consume, anymore. The meat and vegies we eat, as well.

I've noticed the excessive growths in the boys in middle school, too. How freaking tall they are at such a young age.

Shangrala

[quote=Shangrala;1371666]I apologize in advance if I come across as though I'm directly targeting your opinion, as it isn't toward YOU as a person, but your comments in themselves, (as well as any other's who responds similar to that of yours).

No apology needed. I envy people who can go without a bra. I am one of those who developed early and was picked on in school. The woman who I was talking about wasn't offended in the least. I was actually trying to make light of a situation in which she broke a company dress code. I don't like to come across as ugly when correcting an employee.

I grew up flat chested in the seventies and made full use of the bra less era. I have always been built slim and small hipped along with no chest. There were times I felt envious about my bigger busted friends, especially as a teenager. I learned to make use of my other assets and didn't have to worry about boyfriends with a breast fixation. I was always upfront about it; if they were looking for the big ones, they needed to go elsewhere because there would be no plastic surgery here! I am enjoying the different opinions here and love reading about them from both sides!

I think it's really an issue of appropriateness and good taste. If you're a smaller chested girl, you can go a little lower, but if you've got big boobs, it's distracting and ends up looking cheap. And when you can tell a girl is going out of her way trying to draw attention to it, that sickens me. IMO- cleavage isn't nessesarily a bad thing, but it's gotten totally out of control.
I like to wear a low top now and then, but it depends on the situation etc. I think it looks feminine- personal preference. But I really don't like the idea of a man or anyone else looking at my chest on down before they make thier way to my face. Hello? Complete person here. Not just one part.

I never understood showing so much cleavage. I'm not a prude at all, but seriously, this trend is going way too far. Especially in middle and high school. Don't even get me started on how tiny girls shorts are getting!
Anyway, back to the main topic
As far as showing too much skin in middle/high school, I blame barbie. Yes I'm serious. It seems like from birth everything aimed at girls is "BE PRETTY! BE SKINNY! JEWELRY! MAKEUP! TINY SHORTS AND SHIRTS!" Kids toy catologs amaze me. Almost all of it is jewelry and dresses. Or the occasional vacuum, iron, or toy kitchen. Hooray sexism!
I noticed a few celebrities going on TV without makeup. I think that's a great thing to do, and I wouldn't be surprised if it helps end the trend of girls showing too much cleavage. I might not be against this as much if there was more for me to show LOL. But atleast guys look at my face when they talk to me. I hope this trend is just a trend, but I don't think it is.

Crazy ideas of beauty and so on have been around longer than barbie. Looking at history, as near as I can tell it has always been this way with us humans. Well through recorded history anyway.

There are times when different things were more and less acceptable but over all much of it has always been around. More skin is more culturally acceptable today, it may not be in the future and that doesn't mean I agree with how far some seem to want to push it.

I remember reading somewhere, perhaps someone here knows; that girls who were molested at an early age develop more and earlier than do others.

In my family, my mom was flatchested, as was my Aunt; and we were on Rye Beach.
I was 12 and sported a two piece, which showed my high waist, long legs, and too ample bossom--it was the late '60's. I will ne'er forget my mom and aunt laughing and saying "where'd she get those from?"--it was a horrible moment in my life.

I've covered the things ever since---not to mention that I despiese (sp?); as I said earlier in this thread "The Objectification of the Female Body in Our Society"

It has lead to death in many young girls lives--anorexia, and bulimia---and negative self perception; which kills the Spirit.

Xx Not Emo xX----Barbie is a perfect example, thank you for posting that.

Just too bad for all the men out there that think looks are what makes a woman Who she IS...............they lose...........nananannanana tah tah tah--theo

This is Prehistory, Sameera! 22000 BC...Venus of Willendorf. There are many such goddesses, whose attributes of exaggerated female fertility were a source of worship. So, in that sense, I guess the adulation of cleavage is rather tame.

I was put off also, though, by the recent photo spreads of the Miss USA candidates...very "soft" porn.

Kept seeing this post come up, figured I would read in a little more and give my 2 cents.
First of all, I am a man.. Happily married for 9+ years.

I have read that some are blaming media for the 'stereotyping' of what women should look like.

I have issues with some of the companies that are doing this, promoting sex and unrealistic figures. What purpose does Victorias Secret have in a Super Bowl Halftime Special. This is a predominately male television broadcast and it is simply pathetic advertising. But on the flipside, understand that there are companies like... Just My Size and Lane Bryant who are using plus-sized models (more realistic) who are promoting that whoever you are, whatever shape you are, you are a beautiful person. Proving that sex doesnt have to be the only way to sell your products.

As for the objectification of Women.... I can understand that, but I also feel that some women are perpetuating this themselves. Especially when it comes to Hollywood. Women need to unite, stand together, and protest photoshopping of print images, makeup laden movie sets, and the like. Playboy has been showing nude spreads for decades, and women still line up to pose. This is not helping anything.

Remember also that objectification has gone on for years as someone else has mentioned, and not always sexual on the surface. Think of brass rings around the necks of certain tribe women to elongate a neck, foot binding of (not so) ancient Chinese culture. The women did this to woo their courters.

If all women stood together, big, tall, brown, white, fat, skinny, and stopped giving in to these idiotic dreams of mans desires, maybe after being "cut-off" for some time, men will finally get the point that "It's the Content, Not the Package" as someone else said.

I have certain body parts I look at first, but thats because I may pass someone outside, and thats what I notice. I dont get the chance to meet these people because of the circumstance. My wife knows I do this, and in fact, when we go out to a bar, I will pick out men for her, and she will pick out women for me. We dont swing or anything like that, but its fun to do because when I mention, "She was lacking in such and such are, I like more of this," My wife can then go home, accentuate those areas, and help make our "adult time" that more better.

Thats enough from me for now. And just to let you know, I met my wife online. Never saw a picture of her until I was already set on meeting her. It didnt matter what she looked like, I like WHO she was.

Yeah.
There are quite alot of people out there who want that kind of stuff, though.
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(((((zoechan)))))--it's a question of what YOU want, not of what others want you to look like----you are one of a kind, unique. Your spirit is your own.

Don't you want someone to want you for who you are---not for the "kind of stuff" They want???--sending out kind thoughts to you-theo

To X--Thanks, I wrote that-----"it's the content, not the wrapping."--enjoyed your reply very much!!!-----Your relationship with your wife sounds wonderfully healthy and blissful!!! May it always be as good as it is today--if not even better with the changes life gives us all-----theo

Ahhah! I killed the thread!!! just like all the others are going down the tube.

Seee--I kill good threads too!!!