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Old Apr 22, 2019, 11:08 AM
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As an aside, I also wonder about how the US public have started saying that people aren't out of adolescence until 24 years old, and your young people can't drink until 21 - yet you can fight in the military and carry firearms. Or am I mistaken? So far as I know in Europe age of maturity is 18 for everything. People don't say, "oh at 24 his brain was still undeveloped so he isn't responsible"...… just my curiosity about maturity and responsibility.
You just tapped into public perception in the States, actually

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Old Apr 22, 2019, 01:52 PM
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I had a Sears .22 semi and an old Cooey 12 gauge single-shot when I was a kid. My Dad had a Winchester 30.30 for moose. When he passed I just gave them all to my brother-in-law.
I had innumerable BB and pellet guns growing up...all us kids were walking arsenals in that regard. Those all just disappeared over time. Traded/sold etc.

I'd love to have my old .22 back but there's nowhere really to use it where I now live. I grew up in a rural place and spent summers on the Atlantic coast...If I can't replicate that then I have little interest. The good ol' memories will do.
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Old Apr 22, 2019, 02:34 PM
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Our local sheriff who held the CC class I went to suggested I get a shot gun for in my house. He said that anyone breaking & entering who hears the cocking of a shot gun will run in the other direction....no need to shoot. First gun I shot was a rifle. Lol....I was surprised I hit the target first try.

A little background on why I was surprised.....in Junior High I had friends who liked to target practice with bow & arrow. My first attempt to aim at the target, the arrow went up & over the house & landed in the back yard. I was so embarrassed I swore at that time I would NEVER do anything that required shooting at a target.

My alone life on my farm is giving me a second chance at all those things I didn't do well as a kid because I never had anyone willing to teach or guide. Lol....still not interested in bow & arrow shooting even though we have that hunting season here where I live. All the woodsy creatures around here KNOW my farm is a SAFE zone.

Shooting for me is either target practice or in worst case it would be self defense.

I will say that I think many people who do the mass shootings place no value on human life. Conditioned by movies & "technicolor blood" to not really see the real effect. But then I have another theory on some of the shootings but that is NOT what this thread is about.

@saidso. I think some of the problems with maturity levels becoming higher in the US is that there is no draft where young people are put into a place where they have to learn how to survive. Many live at home & go to college until they are older & that may not even be getting an advanced degree....but just fooling around in college trying to figure themselves out. Many parents no longer kick their kids out of the nest & make them fly on their own. The movie "Failure to Launch"comes to mind.

Those who end up in the military & those who do get out on their own, mature sooner than those who continue to be cared for by their parents until a much older age. Our society differs so much there is not a one description fits all kinda thing here & different states have different laws we to adult ages too for drinking & owning guns.
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Old Apr 22, 2019, 04:35 PM
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As an aside, I also wonder about how the US public have started saying that people aren't out of adolescence until 24 years old, and your young people can't drink until 21 - yet you can fight in the military and carry firearms. Or am I mistaken? So far as I know in Europe age of maturity is 18 for everything. People don't say, "oh at 24 his brain was still undeveloped so he isn't responsible"...… just my curiosity about maturity and responsibility.

I don't know who made that crap up but yes, that is the newest thing. I call BS. Anyone past the age of 6 knows right from wrong. End of.
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Old Apr 23, 2019, 02:17 PM
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@luvyrself the more that I'm learning the more sui ideation seems to be pairing up with part of what needs to be considered in finding solutions to these events. The complication with that, however, as members of places like PC know, is that not every individual that has ever considered that as an alternative solution to their life is capable or even interested in murderous rampage.
Does someone like Eskie, who has openly discussed her past deserve to be stripped of her right to guard her lone self and her pets whilst out on her property or in nearby hills and mountains? Which, I mean, how do we use the MH system as a means of prevention?
These weapons are typically procured at gun shows but how do we regulate the difference between innocent usage and ill intent? Machine guns are illegal and I could point out hundreds of innocent hunting usages to the AR which is mearly but a company logo and not an accronymn that has been planted through barrages of being drilled into minds through media, such as sport and hunting and it simplifies the process. Bump stocks are illegal. Modifying anything legal is illegal.

And I'm with you....how do we make the bleeding stop? How do we get individuals to stop being heinous?
—- as I wrote my post I started to wonder if it is even wise to discuss guns on a mental health website , but the thread did turn out to be diverse and thought provoking. I didn’t mean the op might hurt others , tho from what you say they are investigating that type of ideation. People can get guns whether they r legal or not. As
a former teacher I know that studies do strongly indicate that violent vIdeo games do promote violence (making people more used to violence) tho this infuriates gamers). I moved to Phoenix from LA where attitudes towards gun control are very different. Here they even have concealed carry permits. It has been a good learning experience for me to remember how American history comes into play on this subject. I myself feel safer without guns, and hope that everyone uses their best thinking in deciding whether or not they have the self control necessary to own them.
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Old Apr 23, 2019, 03:01 PM
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—- as I wrote my post I started to wonder if it is even wise to discuss guns on a mental health website , but the thread did turn out to be diverse and thought provoking. I didn’t mean the op might hurt others , tho from what you say they are investigating that type of ideation. People can get guns whether they r legal or not. As

a former teacher I know that studies do strongly indicate that violent vIdeo games do promote violence (making people more used to violence) tho this infuriates gamers). I moved to Phoenix from LA where attitudes towards gun control are very different. Here they even have concealed carry permits. It has been a good learning experience for me to remember how American history comes into play on this subject. I myself feel safer without guns, and hope that everyone uses their best thinking in deciding whether or not they have the self control necessary to own them.


I too feel like that video games have led to violence becoming more commonplace.

I guess the reason I started seeing firearms as a means to defend myself is due to my educational background. Studying criminal justice for five years can be a real eye opener into the nature some people have. Plus when you talk about crimes committed with firearms pretty all day in classrooms one would get rather paranoid. Even though the US is currently experiencing the lowest crime rate it has ever had. Though the news media would leave one to believe otherwise.
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Old Apr 23, 2019, 04:27 PM
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I guess the crime rate is low because the economy has been good for a long time. There are lots of jobs in criminal justice. You would probably be a good 911 dispatcher with your training, and there must be many other opportunities. Would you consider pursuing something in the criminal justice field?
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Old Apr 24, 2019, 02:30 AM
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Even though I do not own a gun and probably never will I wouldn't want to infringe on someone elses' right to own one.
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