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Old Feb 23, 2025, 01:34 PM
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How incredible these stories of survival are.

What a tragic accident with the teen siblings drowning together, Blueberry!
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Old Feb 23, 2025, 01:54 PM
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Both my parents were born into homes without indoor plumbing or electricity. Mum’s family used pots at night. They bathed in the kitchen my grandfather first, then grandma then my oldest uncle then mum. My grandma lost a couple of babies and an uncle who was about 9 months old died of an ear infections. Then they moved to the “city” Rochester where the Mayo Clinic was. The rest of mum’s siblings were born there. They had a toilet room indoors, but it was tiny. Just a closet that had a toilet and a small sink. They shared the house with relatives. They still took bathes in the kitchen until a bathtub was installed in a spare bedroom. Mum and her siblings were farmed out to relatives in the summer to work on farms for food and school clothes. My father lived on a farm and had more money. He lied about he’s age and joined the navy for WWII. Mum worked for the Mayo Clinic and was in charge of a group of ladies but got paid less because she lived with her family and lived within walking distance. The way the figured salary was based on these things not your work. I found my parents early lives to be fascinating and tough.
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Old Feb 23, 2025, 04:07 PM
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My grandmother grew up without fridges and her own mother (she died long before I was born) would put perishables in woven sacks and suspend them from a window during winter months. She also reboiled soups to kill bacteria, every day.

Obviously, we had refrigerators, but my grandmother was still in the habit of reboiling a pot of soup every morning. And she would refry leftover fried foods. All of it made the taste and texture of fried-and-refried food horrible, but it was impossible to talk her out of her ingrained habit. She appreciated having a fridge and she did not suspend perishables in woven sacks from windows during cold months, but she reboiled and refried leftovers.

I do not know how they kept perishables during warm months. Probably kept them in cellars dug deep under houses.

I should add to your list SquarePegGuy: MODERN fridges. The fridges I grew up with required maintenance. They had to be regularly defrosted. That meant everything was taken out, the fridge unplugged, water that would accumulate regularly collected and thrown away, then the whole thing washed, wiped dry, and plugged back in. What I remember from this laborious procedure was that my grandmother would keep butter inside a bowl of cold water to keep it cold while the fridge was being defrosted.

My aunt would also shout at me if I left the fridge door open for an extra split second when taking something out, such as milk. The idea was that you minimize the time the fridge is open. This is probably still a good idea from the energy preservation standpoint, but I live alone now and can afford keeping the door open when I take a half-gallon of milk out, pour from it, and put it back in, and nobody says a word. So I do that, enjoying the freedom to do whatever I please. Perhaps I should stop doing that.

And regarding pasteurized foods, @Nammu: we had pasteurized milk in the city but had to boil raw milk that was sold in the countryside. It actually changes taste if you boil and then cool it down.
For perishables they had some methods that involved common items like salting meat etc. it was still labor intensive and fraught with error. There's a guy, Townsends, on Youtube who goes over this stuff. Fascinating stuff.
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Old Feb 23, 2025, 05:01 PM
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I am currently grateful to any source of comforts and convenience and to life itself
My negativity comes from guilt and very bad years, but I still wish the best to the living ones on Earth

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Old Feb 23, 2025, 05:37 PM
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Rjdb - ive seen townsends, interesting stuff! Like his cooking utensils.
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Old Feb 23, 2025, 06:05 PM
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I am currently grateful to any source of comforts and convenience and to life itself
My negativity comes from guilt and very bad years, but I still wish the best to the living ones on Earth

Gonna answer kettle and warm tea, heating system, music, healthcare
I really appreciate my electric kettle. Of the many I have owned, this one is an upgrade; I can program it to reach a certain temp. 100c for black tea, 80C for green tea. It works in Fahrenheit, too
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Old Feb 23, 2025, 06:36 PM
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I have subscribed to Townsend
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Old Feb 24, 2025, 04:04 PM
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Old Feb 24, 2025, 06:47 PM
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The non-slammable toilet seat. They're good, I got one
This one is not sth I need . After gaining weight, I have ample thighs and it does not hurt my anymore to sit on the porcelain without a toilet seat. When I was a child, it hurt me, i.e. the porcelain cut into the flesh of my thighs (our public restrooms typically did not have toilet seats) but just bare porcelain). But now I like the feel of cool porcelain against my skin. So the toilet seat is always up and the only reason I even have it is for guests.

Wait... Is it even porcelain? Or is it a type of ceramic?
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Old Feb 24, 2025, 07:33 PM
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This one is not sth I need . After gaining weight, I have ample thighs and it does not hurt my anymore to sit on the porcelain without a toilet seat. When I was a child, it hurt me, i.e. the porcelain cut into the flesh of my thighs (our public restrooms typically did not have toilet seats) but just bare porcelain). But now I like the feel of cool porcelain against my skin. So the toilet seat is always up and the only reason I even have it is for guests.

Wait... Is it even porcelain? Or is it a type of ceramic?
Aaw, totally hear you Cherry Jam (I feel funny calling you your nickname 'Tart' as that's meant as an offensive word in my NZ English which is more British English). But wow, those old bare porcelain toilets sound brutal.. I can imagine it'd be even worse in the winter. But now porcelain your friend? That's nice it's making amends for what it did to you when you were a child But..

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No, my ones just plastic or yes some kind of ceramic. Not porcelain. No, you should keep the porcelain one, for sure Cherry Jam. It sounds quite old looking too which is interesting 🙏
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Old Feb 24, 2025, 07:51 PM
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What a lovely message! And I did realize, more than a year after I created my username, that Tart can be offensive, but it was too late to change. I do not mind the whole thing, Tart Cherry Jam, is so ME that I am very happy with my choice and will keep the username.
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Old Mar 06, 2025, 03:48 PM
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Old Mar 06, 2025, 11:41 PM
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Squatty potty. Everyone should get one.
That approximates the millenia-long ways of going, as far as I have read. A modern twist on a traditional practice.
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Mine: dental floss. I love the feeling of freshly flossed teeth and gum surfaces and even the process of flossing. When I have my occasional bouts of depression and anxiety, which are thankfully short-lived these days, hygiene stops and when I return to normal afterwards, flossing is the very first thing I do that signals 'the crisis is over'.

I walk down memory lane and can't believe I used to live without flossing back in the day.
I am back to where I started the thread: frequent flossing allows me to heal bleedings gums in less than two days. For the whole winter, I could not floss two sections of the upper teeth because of temp crowns that had no spaces between "teeth". My gums were inflamed and bled like crazy. On Thu the dentist finally put permanent crowns and told me to floss, rinse, water pik and brush frequently to make them heal. I left behind lots of blood on the little table where her used tools were after the appointment, and got to work. I did what she suggested, but mostly flossed. No blood after less than two days of his. Flossing at least three times a day. This is such a simple, yet effective technique that our ancestors didn't have.
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Spoons and bowls. Could you imagine trying to eat soup? I guess you could use a cup, so I’m pretty happy for cups too.
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Art supplies and ready made canvas and paints, non toxic and ready to use.
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I think it was actually eating lead paint that made Van Gogh so amazing. Amazing enough to remove an ear. Too good for two ears

On a slightly related art supply note, a modern convenience that I love are whiteboards. A bit easier to deal with than chalkboards, and us absent minded folk appreciate a place in our faces for reminders. Also post-its. And calendars. Very much calendars!!
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Spoons and bowls. Could you imagine trying to eat soup? I guess you could use a cup, so I’m pretty happy for cups too.
They are pretty old, though. I remember feeling awe and almost indescribable trepidation looking at a tiny ancient Egyptian spoon, a museum exhibit. Several thousand years old.

Forks, by contrast... Those are what, several hundred years old, as far as the invention goes?

To correct myself: in some cultures spoons and bowls go far back, but not all. In others, some sort of a bread is used to wrap food and eat from. I am not sure how they deal with soups, though. As an aside, I have read in a culinary anthropology book that our modern souls that are pretty liquid are quite modern and pureed soups, decidedly British - more traditional peasant soups were more solid, like stews or oot-au-feu. I really like Teff, the Ethiopian sour spongy "bread" used to hold all foods. "Bread" in quotation marks because Teff is a grass and not a grain.
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I think it was actually eating lead paint that made Van Gogh so amazing. Amazing enough to remove an ear. Too good for two ears

On a slightly related art supply note, a modern convenience that I love are whiteboards. A bit easier to deal with than chalkboards, and us absent minded folk appreciate a place in our faces for reminders. Also post-its. And calendars. Very much calendars!!
True, true. Although my psychiatrist thinks that it is a chicken and egg problem - did he eat paint because he was already psychotic or did eating paint make him psychotic?

Good call on whiteboards. I have one that is affixed to the fridge. Not only for Todo lists, but also for shopping lists and jotting down what I have in the fridge, leftovers and purchases. Allowed me to seriously cut down on wasting food because I forget it is rotting somewhere there
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They are pretty old, though. I remember feeling awe and almost indescribable trepidation looking at a tiny ancient Egyptian spoon, a museum exhibit. Several thousand years old.

Forks, by contrast... Those are what, several hundred years old, as far as the invention goes?

To correct myself: in some cultures spoons and bowls go far back, but not all. In others, some sort of a bread is used to wrap food and eat from. I am not sure how they deal with soups, though. As an aside, I have read in a culinary anthropology book that our modern souls that are pretty liquid are quite modern and pureed soups, decidedly British - more traditional peasant soups were more solid, like stews or oot-au-feu. I really like Teff, the Ethiopian sour spongy "bread" used to hold all foods. "Bread" in quotation marks because Teff is a grass and not a grain.
Yeah, I guess I’m just thinking all human inventions are “modern” haha being our species ain’t too old compared to a lot of birds. Algae is convenient for breathing air but not really modern. Algae is cool.
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True, true. Although my psychiatrist thinks that it is a chicken and egg problem - did he eat paint because he was already psychotic or did eating paint make him psychotic?

Good call on whiteboards. I have one that is affixed to the fridge. Not only for Todo lists, but also for shopping lists and jotting down what I have in the fridge, leftovers and purchases. Allowed me to seriously cut down on wasting food because I forget it is rotting somewhere there
Might have been like modern day mental illness and drugs. You have a little mental illness and then do drugs and get a lot of mental illness (and do more drugs and get more mental illness until someone throws your asss somewhere).

At my moms house I had a big whiteboard and I listed a bunch of coping skills/DBT skills I’d usually forget in the moment on there along with jotting down stuff I want to look more into. I just have a little one on my fridge now reminding me to look into this CCSNH promise program that might get me a free associates degree and to call my landlord tomorrow. I love organization studd like that.
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Might have been like modern day mental illness and drugs. You have a little mental illness and then do drugs and get a lot of mental illness (and do more drugs and get more mental illness until someone throws your asss somewhere).
Wow! What an analogy. I will let my psychiatrist know. A way out of the chicken and egg dilemma he posed.

I find chalkboards less conveniu, but there is a nostalgic feel to them. Luckily there is an invention to combine that feel with the modern convenience - chalkboard-looking black adhesive labels on which you write with wet white markers. I got them from Amazon last summer and all my boxes in Public Storage are labeled with them. You can wash off the marker, dry off the surface, and relabel. Somebody was so incentive and I am thankful for that.
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I'll say laser eye surgery. Would like to get that done. First day it rained I'd be out in it looking up.
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