What am I doing wrong?

Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy.
I'm not from New York . I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.

Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?

Here are my questions specifically:

- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars, restaurants, gyms

-What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings

-Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?

- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?

- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?

- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY

Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth.

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THE ANSWER
Dear Pers-431649184:

I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.

Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity…in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold…hence the rub…marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful"
as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way.
Classic "pump and dump."
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.

[SeptemberMorn]

Ha! OUCH! Guess she was asking for it, eh? Great answer for someone who is narcissitic!

The guy is wrong in thinking that her beauty will be gone in about 5 yrs. There's 60 yr olds that look 30 and a damn good 30 at that!

She failed to say anything about knowing how to be a good wife and mother... nothing about her heart. Her ad spoke clearly about her character, though! LOL If she's up for a "lease" she's probably found her match. LOL

[Rhapsody]

Hmm - I guess everyone has their own way of finding Mr. Right.

[AAAAA]

I was freaking when I first read this, I thought that YOU were posting it and I was very confused. You're right, it was an excellent answer!

[sunrise]

[sabby]

LOL

How boring life would be if we didn't have these folks around for a good laugh eh?


sabby

[heyjoe]

At 25 she can be excused for making a few mistakes. She was being honest at least but looking for a rich man on craigs list is like fishing for tuna in nebraska.

LMAO I guess the capital culture of ours has truly taken hold in some people. That is why the response was so perfect! If she was thinking in dollars, she obviously doesn't have money sense. If a person owns a lot of money, they will certainly want something back for the investment costs.

[mandazzle]

That's a knee slapper!

Lol

[splitimage]

Sometimes I am truly baffled by the human race.

--splitimage

[quesera]

hope she found an old man that makes lots of money but is senile they would get along great. Que

[salukigirl]

i agree with the "make your own money" part. guys (at least ones youll want to hold on to) value an independent woman who doesnt need a sugar daddy. then again im not out there looking for a rich guy and saying how drop dead gorgeous i am. probably the reason she cant hold on to a guy is because she probably just talks about herself the whole time. talk about self-centered. she wasnt being honest, she was fishing for compliments.

What does it buy him?

Childbearing years, that is what.

Young women with largish breasts and broad hips have more years of popping out (more likely to be) healthy babies than someone older.

There are evolutionary explanations / 'just so' stories about why
1) Men tend to be attracted to younger women
2) Men tend to be attracted to features such as broad hips and ample brests.

This isn't to condone it... Just to say that one often does see a younger female (child bearing years, nursing an aging male) paired with an older male (good provider for mother and children, social esteem provides some security against illness/loss of income).

A woman who has her own career??? Less likely to be so devoted to his children and him... That is the thought at any rate...

[Perna]

I think she has no clue about money because she's never had/made any herself. Middle class is not $1,000,000 a year in any city, even New York. I don't think she can find a single guy making that kind of money because (a) there aren't that many (and those that exist don't hang out in "bars" looking/hoping to be picked up, they're working all the time) and (b) they don't live in New York where it's so expensive. People with money got that way by not spending rather than spending. People live where it is most convenient and where most of their work is. They probably have multiple houses and may have one in New York but that's not where they stay.

It always amazes me how people use the evolutionary theory of childbearing abilities to explain why men are attracted to younger women. If the are so attracted, naturally, to childbearing women, why do they want women to stay slim? Why do they run in fear the moment anything of childbearing and parenting hits the discussion? Men want women as status objects to promote their own image to other men as a competition and an ego booster.

For those men who I know are more responsible for partners and children, I am obviously not referring to you. I refer to those who want a little young woman while they are starting to bald or round out around the waistline. Men also want a woman who performs like a prostitute, but saved herself for him and only him, and will devote her time to taking care of him.

There are also women who, like this one, want to be taken care of and be pampered and spoiled but yet don't want to put any effort into the relationship. Ladies, if this is what you want, go back to Daddy.

Life and relationships require hard work by both members of a relationship. Ignore the unrealistic social picture of romance and constant fun. It takes tolerance, devotion to similar goals by each partner and understanding when we or our partner can't be perfect.

> If the are so attracted, naturally, to childbearing women, why do they want women to stay slim?

Maybe because when a woman is slim you are better able to feel / assess whether she is pregnant with (someone elses?) child?

> Why do they run in fear the moment anything of childbearing and parenting hits the discussion?

I didn't say anything about parenting. I was talking about reproduction ;-)

I'm wary of evolutionary 'just so' explanations. There are some good evolutionary explanations out there, but the majority of them are 'just so' stories, basically. I'm not terribly persuaded by the evolutionary account that I shared, but I thought it was interesting, at any rate.

Even if the above account explains some aspects, many things have evolved since then! People living in developed western nations have much lower instance of (especially childhood) mortality. The cost of living means that children are a considerable EXPENSE rather than a MONEY EARNER. While once our children's ability to gain resources was our retirement scheme, now we save for retirement ourselves. Where once being physically fit was ones ticket to obtaining resources (and the investment was sustaining the child into adulthood) now ones ticket to obtaining resources can consist in a (very expensive) ivy league education. People in developed western societies tend to have a small number of children but invest considerably more resources in those children for a much longer period of time in order for them to go on to be healthy productive prosperous members of society. Quality of lives rather than quantity of lives tends to be the thing. Kids tend to do better when they receive considerable time and emotional and energy imputs from their fathers. Kids tend to do better when they are raised in emotionally loving environments. Raising kids (rather than dragging them up) gets us well beyond evolutionary considerations around leaving the greatest possible number of kids. Hell, we PAY sperm donors these days, they don't pay for the privaledge of donating!!!

Ha Ha Ha....
That reminds me alexandra....when you mentioned PAYing sperm donors...

I heard on the news this morning that in the United States, there are actually people who will pay about $40 - $50 to walk an animal. I am not talking about pet owners who pay others to walk their pets. That is a respectable trade. I am talking about people who do not have pets...and will pay money to somebody else to walk a strange animal. They call it pet leasing.

I would rather somebody pay me to walk teh dog. I wouldn't pay somebody else to let me walk their dog. I would have them pay me to walk their dog. The newscasters were praying that it doesn't come to Canada. They asked..."What if you see that lovely girl with her dog or that handsome guy with his dog and you tell them "This pet is only rented." Imagine that.

[nightbird]

too funny

& heyjoe, yup

[BalishBun]

I love craig's list!