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Old Jan 30, 2012, 10:02 AM
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One always has to exercise. That's certain and without the slightest doubt. One also does have to consume sufficient calories every day to support life. Further, salt consumption has to be limited. Also, it's better to stay in touch with people rather than wither on the vine sitting on the sofa. Other than that? Leaving ideology and fashionable stupidity behind? I very much wonder.

From your other posts and that of other posters, I think - "for you" - you have 'your' begining or starting points. From what you have found out with scientific research These things make a difference.

Dash diet, you have said before you know about it. From my experience, it has worked. I've been able to reduce my blood pressure pill dosage by 1/2.

My kidney function has stayed stable due to my blood pressure being controlled, I now only have to see my kidney doctor once a year instead of every 6 months.

Losing weight by 7% helps to prevent heart disease and pre-diabetic problems or from becoming diabetic 2. I did loose weight and my pre-diabetic numbers (A1c) ever 6 months have been lowered. So that works.

In order to lose weight you have to either eat fewer calories or exercise more. First, you need to know what your ideal weight should be. Fat calories are the most compact then Alcohol and finally carbohydrates. Diets with 25% fat and little if any alcohol calories are the easiest way to lose weight. "If you eat it, negate it with exercise" was my moto while I did well in following a goal to get healthier. As of today, I'm back on this plan. I went off of it for 6 months and have gained too much weight.

Walking 30 minutes a day for at least 5 days of every week is a great exercise plan.

Charting/journaling what you actually eat and counting those calories will show you what you are really eatting and drinking. Adjust from that information.

After a certain age, does it do any good? It can't hurt, and it might help.

Here is my question to you. And I'm not trying to be mean or smug or anything, Are you looking for a justification to keep on with the way you are currently living and not really wanting to change any lifestyle/habits? Or making an excuse to keep doing what you want to do?

It sounds to me you want to know what will get you healthier and you are trying to weigh the pros and the cons through research. Good, but what are you really willing to do about it once you find that changes need to be made?

I hope you find answers - my pdoc told me that I would have to push myself harder because of my depression to get motivated to life the live I wanted. So people with brain problems may need to learn that. Maybe it is the same with your particulate brain problem too. I care about you as do so many of us here at PC. Keep us all posted on your research findings please. I don't think this thread will be shut down. It has way too much helpful stuff in it.

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Old Jan 30, 2012, 10:22 AM
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the bipolar chef on pc has a lot of good tips for eating cheaply and tastily. one way I am trying to do more with less is: after the 60 minute segment on chinese truffles in france a couple of weeks ago, I searched for truffle oil, which I had tried before but never really liked, but then I came across truffle salt. heaven in a jar! turns a one-dollar bean burrito into a gourmet delight.
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Old Jan 30, 2012, 02:22 PM
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Beholden said (among other things): "Here is my question to you. And I'm not trying to be mean or smug or anything, are you looking for a justification to keep on with the way you are currently living and not really wanting to change any lifestyle/habits? Or making an excuse to keep doing what you want to do? It sounds to me you want to know what will get you healthier and you are trying to weigh the pros and the cons through research. Good, but what are you really willing to do about it once you find that changes need to be made?"

And here's what I say in reply: "Motivation for change" is something very personal, although I'm convinced that it can be increased or decreased in a number of ways. My search is for effective motivational levers that I can use on myself. I know what's healthy and what's not. The problem is prying myself away from those unhealthy behaviors that nonetheless provide a substantial degree of palliation to the everyday miseries I have to put up with. There's no way around it: the fact is, consistently bad behaviors aren't there because one is a bad person, nor are they there because one's character is lacking. No. Consistently bad behaviors are there because certain pain levels are simply not acceptable and anything at all, regardless of its health effects, is more acceptable than those levels of pain.

So, to me, your challenge about "are you looking for a justification to keep on with the way you are currently living and not really wanting to change any lifestyle/habits? Or making an excuse to keep doing what you want to do?" is really betraying an absence on your part of any understanding of the real dynamics of combining pain control with healthy behaviors. Whatever motivational gambits one employs, they have to be strong enough to deal with and overcome a constant level of pain, and that's a tough thing to do. I assure you that simply knowing what is healthy will by no means be enough.

For those of us like myself who don't have masochistic tendencies, the obvious self-torture (and enjoyment of self-torture) of many health fanatics is simply not something that can be adopted, even if it comes with the payoff so frequently seen in self-torture addicts: that really awful sense of superiority they emit. Many negative behaviors from a health point of view have a very positive payoff from a pain point of view. Whatever pro-health behaviors may be adopted, they simply will not be successful without in some manner compensating for the absence of pain-reducing but otherwise negative behaviors.
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Old Jan 30, 2012, 02:31 PM
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Here's some info on Ray Kurzweil, I read his book on singularity a long time ago, but I haven't read his health books yet. He's a well respected computer scientist and futurist.

He's got a lot of info here: http://www.kurzweilai.net/kurzweil-p...evity-products
His The 10% Solution for a Healthy Life looks promising, Ch 13 has recipes. The whole book is posted blog style, but I'm pretty sure you can still get a hard copy if you want. Additionally I feel it's worth emphasizing that his book is posted for free on his own site. He's not trying to sell a diet plan or program or pills.
He wrote another health related book called Fantastic Voyage.

There's a nice infographic on him here: http://www.techi.com/2011/01/ray-kur...rily-accurate/
This info is off topic. I included it only to concisely illustrate Kurzweil's prolific scientific mind, plus this stuff cheers me up.
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Old Feb 01, 2012, 09:40 AM
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Here's some info on Ray Kurzweil, I read his book on singularity a long time ago, but I haven't read his health books yet. He's a well respected computer scientist and futurist.

He's got a lot of info here: http://www.kurzweilai.net/kurzweil-p...evity-products
His The 10% Solution for a Healthy Life looks promising, Ch 13 has recipes. The whole book is posted blog style, but I'm pretty sure you can still get a hard copy if you want. Additionally I feel it's worth emphasizing that his book is posted for free on his own site. He's not trying to sell a diet plan or program or pills.
He wrote another health related book called Fantastic Voyage.

There's a nice infographic on him here: http://www.techi.com/2011/01/ray-kur...rily-accurate/
This info is off topic. I included it only to concisely illustrate Kurzweil's prolific scientific mind, plus this stuff cheers me up.

Very interesting site. Thank you for posting this information Libertybelle! .
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Old Feb 05, 2012, 01:52 PM
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I found some new library books that might be motivation worthy for you Y.

I have to go to my library account and get the titles, but it will be a minute.

See you on the flip side.
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Old Feb 05, 2012, 02:36 PM
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"Antianxiety Food Solution" by Trudy Scott and James Lake
http://www.antianxietyfoodsolution.com/quotes/ this site has a blog as well. It is for women, but I don't know why the general information can't be read and used by men as well.

http://www.newharbinger.com/bookstor...ls.cfm?PC=1234 same book.

"50 Ways to Sooth Yourself without Food" by Susan Albers
http://www.betterworldbooks.com/50-w...572246766.aspx
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Old Feb 05, 2012, 02:38 PM
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Here are some of the books that I just posted about Ygrec23.

"Enjoy Every Sandwich: Living Each Day as if it Were Your Last"
http://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Every-Sa.../dp/030795515X

"It's OK to be Neurotic: Using Your neuroses to Your Advantage" by Frank Bruno
http://www.amazon.com/Its-Ok-Be-Neur.../dp/1593370253
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Old Feb 05, 2012, 04:09 PM
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Interesting site about exercise for seniors, with quite a number of free publications and free DVD's they'll send you if you ask.

http://go4life.niapublications.org/

It's Go4Life, one of the programs of the National Institute on Aging:
http://www.nia.nih.gov/

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Old Feb 05, 2012, 04:19 PM
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Wow. This one's a goldmine about motivating healthy behavior:

Health action process approach

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ocess_Approach

And this is also good:

Planning PA programs for older adults presents unique challenges

http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpt...que-challenges

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Old Feb 06, 2012, 07:49 AM
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Those are very interesting as well Ygrec23!

I forget which of the 4 book titles I posted that I have on reserve at the library, but it should help keep me motived with most things in life. I know the goal centered weight loss class I've been involved with is all about motivation.

It's unfortunate that I can not attend every Monday when the group meets, but hubby and I share the car and he needs to go to work. It's hard for him to 'share' the vehicle on Mondays. What helped me so much was having a group of like minded folks, an RN dieticion who is extremly knowledgable, others in the team with expertise, i.e., a psychologist to help us learn how to be mindful of whatwe eat as we eat it or how to arrange our kitchen so that foods that are bad for us are out of sight. Or not brought into the home at all.

There are always doctors for the medical needs and labs when the RN suspects issues like low Vit D etc. A few different people come in to do a Zumba session once in a while, we do field trips to area restauraunts so we learn to eat out, we do weigh-ins and trips to one of the 3 gyms on the Air Base. One in the basement of the hospital, one with a swimming pool and the oldest one is in an old airplane hangar that even has basketball courts. The all have the usual machines and free weights and floor mats for stretching and sit-up. There is a doctor there who specializes in keeping our troops fit and he had worked with this group (study) to make sure we know how to work without our own limits.

Wish I could go more than I do.

But mostly the point of this group is to loss 10% of your weight with all kinds of tools to use.

This group teaches: daily writing down what you eat and drink, writing down your goals. Daily and weekly goals to get you to that 10%. Agreeing to weight yourself at least 3 times a week, but daily is better. So you can adjust on your next day. Agreeing to walk at leat 5 days out of 7. We all shared with each other what worked for us and what didn't work for us.

We weight in each time we go to a meeting. Some times recipies are shared. The RN helps each one twick what foods are not doing us a favor and showing us how to weight or measure our food, read labels, pick the better choices between foods. We motivate each other a lot, we are accountable to someone other than ourselves. There is no judgement.

I go as often as I can, because it makes me feel good, even if I've gain a few pounds. But it brings out the competitivness in me that I didn't think I had to do the best I can for me.
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Old Feb 06, 2012, 11:23 AM
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Another good resource:

The National Council on Aging's Center for Healthy Aging:

http://www.ncoa.org/improve-health/c...healthy-aging/

They have a "behavioral health" program with materials for participants and supervisors:

http://www.ncoa.org/improve-health/c...vioral-health/

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I think this is worthwhile enough to post here. Bare minimum it's entertaining and will bump this thread.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/p...jpg?1320709667

Hopefully next time I'll be back with more substantial stuff on Kevin Warwick & deep brain stimulation.
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Old Feb 09, 2012, 11:44 AM
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Here is one that sounds good to me. See review.

http://www.amazon.com/Calm-Energy-Re...=AG56TWVU5XWC2
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 09:46 AM
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Here's an article from The New York Times Sunday Magazine about the origins and erasing of habits. Others here on PC may well already be aware of current thinking and research about habits. I was not. In the context of Senior Life Extension I think this is wildly important, since so much of what seniors need to do involves the extinction of old habits and the creation of new ones. Please read:

How Companies Learn Your Secrets

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/ma...agewanted=1&hp

And, no, it's only peripherally about "Companies" and "Secrets." It's REALLY about forming and extinguishing habits.

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Old Feb 16, 2012, 09:55 AM
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Two books (one just about to be published) about habits that readers of this thread ought to seriously consider buying:

1. Changing for Good: A Revolutionary Six-Stage Program for Overcoming Bad Habits and Moving Your Life Positively Forward ($10.39)

http://www.amazon.com/Changing-Good-...=3ALUOWNZMDRVG

2. The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business ($17.56)[To be published February 28, 2012] Again, regardless of the reference to "Life and Business" this has LOTS to do with exercise!

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Habit-Wh...=3ALUOWNZMDRVG

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I have resistant hypertension. Maybe you do too. I haven't had it forever. I was 55 before I was diagnosed as hypertensive at all. And then for ten years everything went along nicely on the basic blood pressure drugs the doctor prescribed. Then, about, say, six months after I started therapy the old blood pressure started skyrocketing. More and more and more medication. Which works, but not that great. I'm taking four blood pressure medications now, every day. Two of them at the absolute top prescribing limit. Something has to be done.

Well, I've finally gotten in touch with my repressed anger, which is just Niagara Falls - Hydrogen Bomb - Grand Canyon size and style. And checking out "repressed anger" and "hypertension" led me to this:

Healing Hypertension: A Revolutionary New Approach ($16.87)

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Habit-Wh...=3ALUOWNZMDRVG

This is BY NO MEANS one of those freaky tomes written in an ashram by a drug-crazed hippy (sorry if I'm prejudiced). The author is a medical doctor, specializing in high blood pressure, at Cornell-Weill Medical Center in New York, published by Wiley (entirely reputable). And he wasn't born yesterday. His point is that repressed emotions probably cause most resistant hypertension, and he talks about dealing with the real issues.

If your blood pressure is seriously out of whack it's worth a look. Take care.
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I have resistant hypertension. Maybe you do too. I haven't had it forever. I was 55 before I was diagnosed as hypertensive at all. And then for ten years everything went along nicely on the basic blood pressure drugs the doctor prescribed. Then, about, say, six months after I started therapy the old blood pressure started skyrocketing. More and more and more medication. Which works, but not that great. I'm taking four blood pressure medications now, every day. Two of them at the absolute top prescribing limit. Something has to be done.

Well, I've finally gotten in touch with my repressed anger, which is just Niagara Falls - Hydrogen Bomb - Grand Canyon size and style. And checking out "repressed anger" and "hypertension" led me to this:

Healing Hypertension: A Revolutionary New Approach ($16.87)

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Habit-Wh...=3ALUOWNZMDRVG

This is BY NO MEANS one of those freaky tomes written in an ashram by a drug-crazed hippy (sorry if I'm prejudiced). The author is a medical doctor, specializing in high blood pressure, at Cornell-Weill Medical Center in New York, published by Wiley (entirely reputable). And he wasn't born yesterday. His point is that repressed emotions probably cause most resistant hypertension, and he talks about dealing with the real issues.

If your blood pressure is seriously out of whack it's worth a look. Take care.

Is the book, "The Powder of Habit" the one you are speaking of in your
Healing Hypertension: A Revolutionary New Approach ($16.87) line? or is there a separate book?

bty, I have "The Power of Habit" on my request list from the library. That one really got my attention.
ty Ygrec
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Here are some of the books that I just posted about Ygrec23.

"Enjoy Every Sandwich: Living Each Day as if it Were Your Last"
http://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Every-Sa.../dp/030795515X

"It's OK to be Neurotic: Using Your neuroses to Your Advantage" by Frank Bruno
http://www.amazon.com/Its-Ok-Be-Neur.../dp/1593370253

I've finished the Frank Bruno book which I found interesting. I especially liked that Mr. Bruno states that those who are neurotic (have anxiety & worry that is out of proportion to the situation in our lives) are "intelligent and creative and something else" that I don't recall right now. And how to get the best out of our tendencies to feel anxiey.

I just started reading the Enjoy every sandwitch and I really like this book. The author, a doctor, gets the dx of cancer and writes about a life of gratitude and facing death without fear. Not a subject I'd usually look into, but I am excited to get into this book when my quiet time comes today when I will read more.
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Is the book, "The Powder of Habit" the one you are speaking of in your Healing Hypertension: A Revolutionary New Approach ($16.87) line? or is there a separate book? bty, I have "The Power of Habit" on my request list from the library. That one really got my attention. ty Ygrec
Two separate books, Beholden. "The Power of Habit" is by the same guy who wrote the NYT article "How Companies Learn Your Secrets" cited down below here somewhere. "Healing Hypertension" is really about how repressed anger creates a substantial amount of high blood pressure. Take care!
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Hello. I'm 68 and glad I just found this thread. There are a lot of good ideas contained within, although I just skimmed through the posts very quickly. Rather than go into a lengthy discussion of all the medical and health issues I've experienced, just let me say that I had a congenital malformed aortic valve that required a mechanical replacement, a titanium shoulder replacement, prostate surgery, and melanoma surgery. All of these damned things required a lot of rehabilation and I always worked my butt off in rehab because I had goals--i.e. usually wanting to get back to playing golf again as soon as possible. The issue of motivation seems to be the dominant theme here and I believe that having goals in the key. I lived the first two thirds of my life involved in a lot of sports and exercise. After retirement eight years ago, I got lazy and gained a lot of unnecessary weight because I just became careless. Currently, I am working hard to lose a lot of weight for my upcoming 50th HS reunion. That goal has enabled me to cut back on calories, especially alcohol. Another motivator is to be able to shop for clothes in places other than big and tall. This is probably redundant with what others have said, but I thought I would chime in anyway. Good luck to all.
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Also, I just ordered George Mateljan's Healthiest Foods, an 800-page food bible.
I have that and love his site: http://whfoods.org/
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I'm thinking of exploring gerontology courses:

http://www.ed2go.com/online-courses/...rtificate.html

Or, some finance courses.
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Hello. I'm 68 and glad I just found this thread. There are a lot of good ideas contained within, although I just skimmed through the posts very quickly. Rather than go into a lengthy discussion of all the medical and health issues I've experienced, just let me say that I had a congenital malformed aortic valve that required a mechanical replacement, a titanium shoulder replacement, prostate surgery, and melanoma surgery. All of these damned things required a lot of rehabilation and I always worked my butt off in rehab because I had goals--i.e. usually wanting to get back to playing golf again as soon as possible. The issue of motivation seems to be the dominant theme here and I believe that having goals in the key. I lived the first two thirds of my life involved in a lot of sports and exercise. After retirement eight years ago, I got lazy and gained a lot of unnecessary weight because I just became careless. Currently, I am working hard to lose a lot of weight for my upcoming 50th HS reunion. That goal has enabled me to cut back on calories, especially alcohol. Another motivator is to be able to shop for clothes in places other than big and tall. This is probably redundant with what others have said, but I thought I would chime in anyway. Good luck to all.

Goal setting really is key in motivation, I agree
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I'm reading "The Power of Habit" and really enjoying it. I recommend it if there are some habits you want to modify.
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