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Old Mar 04, 2010, 06:20 PM
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Just got done watching Phd Phil. Was a very graphic show entitled "What's Wrong With People". The last half focused on girl teen fighing. Kept hitting on how common this is. One parent was even cheering hes daughter on. What kind of parent does that? What is the reasoning behind this behavior? What would you do if your daughter were fighting like this?

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Old Mar 04, 2010, 06:30 PM
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I know it really is disturbing and it seems to be happening more now a days. My daughter is a brown belt in Karate but our motivation wasn't so she could get into fights in real life - but just to defend herself. We have done many tournaments and she has done sparring but I know this isn't what you're talking about. But I've recently thought about taking her out the sparring training because I'm concerned about jolts to the head, causing 'accummulative' brain damage. They know that football players and of course boxers get early onset dementia because of blows to the head. Even though my daughter wears a padded helmut I'm still concerned with shaken brain. Sorry for going off topic but this has been on my mind - how I'm going to explain this to her hard headed instructor. Thanks NF for posting this problem.
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Old Mar 04, 2010, 10:20 PM
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No problemo. Wish kids had more sense. Seeing these videos I did notice the attackers going for the head...punching , slapping and lots of kicks to the head of the target. Now one day one of these kids is going to kick right through an orbital socket and bam...death! Bet that video disappears. Of course teens are not well known for keeping things quiet.
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Old Mar 04, 2010, 11:17 PM
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My dad did that once for my brother. But in this instance I really feel it was okay. My brother had been little his whole life and then bulked up towards the end of high school. Well, on the bus this kid took a littler kid's seat and my brother told him to give the kid his seat back and the kid said no. So my brother beat the piss out of him. I think that was his way of getting back at all those kids that had pushed him around when he was tiny and now he could finally do something about it. Then, of course, he got suspended and when my dad went in to talk to the principal he said that he was glad.

It all depends on the situation and I don't watch Phil (He isn't a doctor so I don't include that in his name) so I don't know what the situation is with that girl.
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Old Mar 05, 2010, 03:56 AM
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I think this stuff is a sad symptom of a society that is in decline. I see so many young people these days with a complete lack of courtesy or ability to be compassionate to others. You see it even more with cyberbullying. "we" have passed on the concept of instant gratification to our kids, that few of them think through the effects and consequences their actions have on others.

Self-discipline is breaking down, I see it in the huge amount of debt that young folks in their 20s incur because they have to have 50 inch TVs, 200 dollar 'smart phones" new cars, and live in expensive apts. They have no ability to defer gratification as my generation did years ago. As 20 something I could not concieve of being 5-10,000 dollars in debt. I see it in the way people treat each other, with rudeness. I see more young folks ostracized and alienated than ever.
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Old Mar 05, 2010, 04:43 AM
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Tim, I think you said it all. Instant gratification. Plus one news show said teens did it for attention. I am so glad I am not a teen today because I was always a great target for bullies.
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Old Mar 05, 2010, 09:00 AM
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Imo, this stuff has been going on a lot longer than this generation. There just wasn't a way to video it going on before.
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Old Mar 05, 2010, 11:21 AM
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Wish kids had more sense.
They only have as much sense as they experience/as their parents have. You have someone cheering you on, giving you support or attention for fighting, guess what you're going to want to do more of?

Think about a mid-teen's life nowadays. They have home and school. That's it. They can't drive/get away and school gets more and more regimented and restrictive and if they have problems at home too (what do you do, for example, if you are getting bad grades and have teachers/school on top of you and parents? You only have access to your friends/peers when they say or when you "break out" and get together anyway) then you're in a pickle.
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Old Mar 05, 2010, 11:49 AM
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My daughter's is grade 7 and she's been challenged to a fight this year. Other girls in her school have also been challenged. A current popular saying is "you wanna GO"? It's very worrysome.
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Old Mar 05, 2010, 01:16 PM
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Seems like every generation goes overboard in some way. My grandparents' generation is notorious for being tight with money and raised their kids that way. So then their children (my parents' generation) gave their kids (my generation) everything because they didn't get anything growing up. So my generation seems like we were allowed to do whatever we wanted. So now that my generation is having children we're known as the over-parenting generation. Because our parents didn't do anything to discipline us, now we're being super-overprotective.

I have noticed and have had conversations with several people about how it seems like nobody understands common courtesy anymore. If someone is walking in front of me and doesn't hold the door open I say "THANKS" really loud to them so that they know. People here on campus will just stand in the middle of the hallway and not give a crap if you are trying to walk. It just seems like people are becoming so un-self-aware (if thats a word lol).

Everything I do it seems like I think of how it will effect other people. It just doesn't seem like people think that way anymore. I feel like we're all getting so selfish. And Dr. Drew actually wrote a book about how our obsession with celebrities is creating a higher rate of narcissism in the US and I totally agree with that. Seems like people just don't care anymore.
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Old Mar 05, 2010, 01:19 PM
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I agree it seems like politenss has gone out the window. If someone's behind me I always hold the door. Good analysis salukigirl
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It breaks my heart into a million peices. I am not joking.

I feel SO BADLY for all parties involved.

The aggressor - because something happened in their life to lead them to beleive it is ok, or right, or fun to hurt another living being.

The defender because they have to defend themselves from a traumatic experience, pain, and possibly disability.

The people veiwing because whether they cheer them on or not I fully beleive that kids that young are still traumatized by seeing violence. I do not think there is such a thing as full on desensitization in the sense that it does not make SOME impact.

And one day, those involved parties will (hopefully, but also sadly) look back and be sad and maybe depressed that they were involved in such activities, and by then it may be too late to try and make amends directly.

We are all human. And when people choose not to recognize that, it hurts me as another human being. How sad it must be to not be able to realize that anger can be dangerous when used improperly. How sad and ugly it must be to have to grapple with anger that is misplaced, or to truly want to hurt another human being who feels, bleeds and thinks just like we do.

Now - I understand there are times when anger is justified. I even think sometimes violence is NECESSARY. However, teen girls DO NOT NEED TO FIGHT. They are not fighting for survival, to protect themselves or a child. They do it for FUN??!?! What the hell is fun about being hurt and bloodied.

Also, this type of thing can have amazingly long repercussions. That beaten up child? She could end up committing suicide. Maybe she gets beaten at home too, and school is her only escape, now shes beaten at school too - what does she have left? You know.. you just never know.

I think we should be teaching relationship skills, kindess, compassion and tolerance from the first grade and even kindergarten. We do in fact in the younger grades - why stop it during junior high or high school? Its been proven team building and friendship excersizes negate bullying.
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Old Mar 06, 2010, 12:29 PM
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Excellent post ((Rainbowzz))
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Well said Rainbowz, well said...
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Old Mar 07, 2010, 07:12 PM
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I think it is just senseless and awful
I don't see the "fun" in it at all, it's just sic
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-a teen girl
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Old Mar 07, 2010, 09:13 PM
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I think one of the major differences now, (though not totally different than in the past) is that it is girls who are doing this fighting. I think in the past it was more boys only that were fighting. Now it is both boys and girls. And also the difference is now it can be taped. This makes it recordable and means that it can change people's lives in more than the physical and emotional damage that comes from the specific fight. Now these experiences can follow people around for the rest of their lives. I don't understand why parents think promoting these behaviors is okay.
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