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Old Aug 03, 2014, 06:02 AM
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The movie does suggest that Slade overestimates and brags about his abilities, though....

What I think is cool, is that despite the fact it's all about Slade, he took the time to defend Charlie... and got a little better by the end of the movie. I like to think he married the beautiful redhead, and they had a beautiful life together. Not without their trials and bumps, of course. ... but, she was so tough, she knew how to handle him..

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Old Aug 03, 2014, 03:56 PM
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Frank was suicidal. Narcissists rarely are unless they fear prison..PTSD is high suicide risk.

Assholes can get PTSD. There is no requirement that you be a noble hero or innocent victim. Most of us were total jerks before we got PTSD.

Narcissists rarely get PTSD. Their self preservation instincts are roo high. If Frank were a narcissist he'd have figured out how not to get drafted or how to finagle a safe spot and profiteer.

Most telling, is the end of the movie was ruined by Frank pontificating melodrama to keep the kid in prep school or whatever It was. Narcissists will showboat and grandstand, bit but not for another. PTSD, on the other hand, being a disorder of arousal lends itself to the most embarrassing emotional excesses. I know I can filibuster a LONG time in the theatre voice on the speedball that is ptsd. A narcissist couldn't. Not for free. Not without cameras.

Frank's boasting was mostly inappropriately sexual? Typical PTSD-lack of tact from a damaged forebrain and a lively interest in all manifestations of autonomic arousal. Wink, wink. We have fun.
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Old Aug 03, 2014, 05:15 PM
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Well, it is fiction. And I can make assumptions about his back story, if I like. This is from the peer reviewed article we've referenced in another thread.

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Patients with NPD suffer a great deal. Kohut describes the depression and anxiety that a narcissistic patient may feel as “the deepest anxiety a man can experience.”6 NPD has also been described to be as overwhelming as the fear of death.6 The torment narcissistic patients suffer should never be discounted. Furthermore, these patients can and do present a risk. They feel less than human when they encounter even minor failures and, in order to regain a sense of unity within themselves, they act in ways that seem narcissistic to others, including suicide.
And it appears your interpretations of PTSD vs NPD are very rigid and black and white. It isn't like that in real life. People in real life very rarely fit the stereotypes... And on top of that... how would a NPD who was traumatized (as trauma causes PTSD), act? Can you honestly say that no NPD has a sense of humor, and that it is possible to diagnose someone based on the type of humor they exhibit?

I like to think of Frank as a success story. It's what can happen, given the right circumstances. I also have some BPD traits. BPD's love to play the hero.
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Well, it is fiction. And I can make assumptions about his back story, if I like. This is from the peer reviewed article we've referenced in another thread.

And it appears your interpretations of PTSD vs NPD are very rigid and black and white. It isn't like that in real life. People in real life very rarely fit the stereotypes... And on top of that... how would a NPD who was traumatized (as trauma causes PTSD), act? Can you honestly say that no NPD has a sense of humor, and that it is possible to diagnose someone based on the type of humor they exhibit?

I like to think of Frank as a success story. It's what can happen, given the right circumstances. I also have some BPD traits. BPD's love to play the hero.
FFS shake, I'm typing with my thumbs! I can identify borderline pretty accurately because my mother had It. I have the equivalent of a PhD in borderline studies. I can honestly say that when my radar goes off that someone is a narcissist, It very often has to do with a great deal of charm and wit without genuine laughter.

I am familiar with Kohut.

That's just my experience. Obviously I have not met every narcissist in the world.
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Old Aug 03, 2014, 07:46 PM
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What does FFS shake mean?

I'm not quite sure what you mean in regards to PTSD and brain damage. Is there anything I can read on the subject?
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What does FFS shake mean?

I'm not quite sure what you mean in regards to PTSD and brain damage. Is there anything I can read on the subject?
For Fred's Sake, Shakespeare.

Yes, there is lots to read about PTSD and brain damage.
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Old Aug 03, 2014, 08:46 PM
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For Fred's Sake, Shakespeare.

Yes, there is lots to read about PTSD and brain damage.
LOL @ For Fred's sake..

And brain damage in relation to personality disorders? Is there much to read?
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